decide not to draft even say a 4th round QB a competition for Jones? Did he make the decision to only bring in Drew Lock and hand Jones the starting job? Mara is an easy target, but some of the people he has hired have truly failed him.
decide not to draft even say a 4th round QB a competition for Jones? Did he make the decision to only bring in Drew Lock and hand Jones the starting job? Mara is an easy target, but some of the people he has hired have truly failed him.
If that's what you believe, another way to phrase it is that John Mara, as the President & CEO of the New York Giants, has hired incompetent people to run his football operation.
Has coincided with asshats now saying that it was solely Schoen and Daboll who chose to hitch their wagon to DJ. Make of that what you will.
Asshats don't know fuck all. No one truly knows other than the people inside that building but when in doubt, go with Occam's razor.
Schoen and Daboll were in lockstep and THEY signed Jones. I am sure Mara didn't mind and he probably wanted that result, but the GM and HC made the call like the GM and HC here have made the call for the last 50 years. Everyone shut the fuck up already with this Mara nonsense.
Has coincided with asshats now saying that it was solely Schoen and Daboll who chose to hitch their wagon to DJ. Make of that what you will.
Mara was so passive aggressive with the Saquon stuff on Hard Knocks, it made me realize 100% he was the same way - likely worse - with the Jones negotiations. And Schoen was only a year into the job so it was easier for John to make Schoen acquiesce.
or not involved is silly. On one side, people argue that Mara stayed completely out of the discussion, expressed no opinion, and let Schoen and Daboll do whatever they like. On the other side is that Mara told Schoen and Daboll to re-sign Jones, or at least told them he would be very disappointed if that did not happen. Both of those are likely wrong.
Schoen and Daboll made the decision to sign Jones to the contract they did. They own that. But to also think they did not strongly consider the thoughts and opinions expressed by the man they both work for who has a quick trigger finger on firing people is also extremely naive. They are first time GM and HC respectively. It is not hard to assume that the first major decision they made was a lot easier to make if you agreed with the boss.
I feel like John Mara could learn a think or two from his pal owners @ the Steelers.
1) Realize Pickett isn't the answer - trade him for peanuts. Resetting the QB position
2) Draft a guy if he is available (he wasn't)
3) Hey - hedge your bets in case the draft doesn't play out as you expect
4) Signed Russel Wilson for vet minimum, traded for Justin Fields (hefty 1 year salary, but off the books next season. And hey, might catch lightning in a bottle)
5) See if you're within shot of a QB in the draft next season - but also hedge your bets with some Vets.
I think Dabs and Schoen wanted to resign Jones but
decide not to draft even say a 4th round QB a competition for Jones? Did he make the decision to only bring in Drew Lock and hand Jones the starting job? Mara is an easy target, but some of the people he has hired have truly failed him.
If that's what you believe, another way to phrase it is that John Mara, as the President & CEO of the New York Giants, has hired incompetent people to run his football operation.
Well if John was the CEO of a publicly traded company, either the Board or the Shareholders would have canned him a long time ago. Of course he never would have gotten the position to begin with either.
(and connect the dots on what is known), is at the break the season before they offered Barkley a huge contract. Knowing how little Schoen values the position, why do you think he did that? My guess is Mara pressured him because he loves the player.
So when the deadline for FT was approaching and BOTH SB and DJ unsigned, they knew they had to have one signed to FT the other. They made another large offer to Barkley FIRST ( that tells me they really wanted to FT Jones.
Barkley telling them to go suck an egg prevented them from using the FT on Jones.
The deal them signed (at the last minute- literally), allowed them to keep both players for 2023.
That is NOT an endorsement of Jones.
Jones is now damaged goods on many levels. This situation will play itself out the next few weeks.
Hopefully, it won’t cost Dabs his job. He may deserve at season’s end, to be fired.
But it shouldn’t be for the QB mess.
I feel like John Mara could learn a think or two from his pal owners @ the Steelers.
1) Realize Pickett isn't the answer - trade him for peanuts. Resetting the QB position
2) Draft a guy if he is available (he wasn't)
3) Hey - hedge your bets in case the draft doesn't play out as you expect
4) Signed Russel Wilson for vet minimum, traded for Justin Fields (hefty 1 year salary, but off the books next season. And hey, might catch lightning in a bottle)
5) See if you're within shot of a QB in the draft next season - but also hedge your bets with some Vets.
Why? Why. if, after you weigh all the options, you logically come to the conclusion you are fucked if you do any of those things. Starting lock, Devito, signing anyone else who was available, or drafting any of the QBs who were when we picked? What if, for the sake of argument, you, as GM, went over ALL< thos possibilities, and every last one of them looked, realistically, objectively, like shit, and likely to fail. Might it not be best to just roll with jones, and if he does well( not likely then great, and if not, then we wind up picking very early next year and have a better shot at a QB? Not saying that's the way to go, but that may well have been the way they went.
How dare they question me??!!...
These entitled NY sports fans and their insatiable demand for success.
If that's what you believe, another way to phrase it is that John Mara, as the President & CEO of the New York Giants, has hired incompetent people to run his football operation.
Schoen and Daboll both wanted a QB and tried to trade up for a QB despite Mara saying it would be "hard to swallow" drafting a QB in the first round.
How is that hitching their wagon to DJ?
Asshats don't know fuck all. No one truly knows other than the people inside that building but when in doubt, go with Occam's razor.
Schoen and Daboll were in lockstep and THEY signed Jones. I am sure Mara didn't mind and he probably wanted that result, but the GM and HC made the call like the GM and HC here have made the call for the last 50 years. Everyone shut the fuck up already with this Mara nonsense.
Mara was so passive aggressive with the Saquon stuff on Hard Knocks, it made me realize 100% he was the same way - likely worse - with the Jones negotiations. And Schoen was only a year into the job so it was easier for John to make Schoen acquiesce.
Schoen and Daboll made the decision to sign Jones to the contract they did. They own that. But to also think they did not strongly consider the thoughts and opinions expressed by the man they both work for who has a quick trigger finger on firing people is also extremely naive. They are first time GM and HC respectively. It is not hard to assume that the first major decision they made was a lot easier to make if you agreed with the boss.
1) Realize Pickett isn't the answer - trade him for peanuts. Resetting the QB position
2) Draft a guy if he is available (he wasn't)
3) Hey - hedge your bets in case the draft doesn't play out as you expect
4) Signed Russel Wilson for vet minimum, traded for Justin Fields (hefty 1 year salary, but off the books next season. And hey, might catch lightning in a bottle)
5) See if you're within shot of a QB in the draft next season - but also hedge your bets with some Vets.
That is why Schoen and Dabs refer to Jonesas the 40mill qb.
When that information reflects simple and neat answers, I am very skeptical.
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decide not to draft even say a 4th round QB a competition for Jones? Did he make the decision to only bring in Drew Lock and hand Jones the starting job? Mara is an easy target, but some of the people he has hired have truly failed him.
If that's what you believe, another way to phrase it is that John Mara, as the President & CEO of the New York Giants, has hired incompetent people to run his football operation.
Well if John was the CEO of a publicly traded company, either the Board or the Shareholders would have canned him a long time ago. Of course he never would have gotten the position to begin with either.
So when the deadline for FT was approaching and BOTH SB and DJ unsigned, they knew they had to have one signed to FT the other. They made another large offer to Barkley FIRST ( that tells me they really wanted to FT Jones.
Barkley telling them to go suck an egg prevented them from using the FT on Jones.
The deal them signed (at the last minute- literally), allowed them to keep both players for 2023.
That is NOT an endorsement of Jones.
Jones is now damaged goods on many levels. This situation will play itself out the next few weeks.
Hopefully, it won’t cost Dabs his job. He may deserve at season’s end, to be fired.
But it shouldn’t be for the QB mess.
1) Realize Pickett isn't the answer - trade him for peanuts. Resetting the QB position
2) Draft a guy if he is available (he wasn't)
3) Hey - hedge your bets in case the draft doesn't play out as you expect
4) Signed Russel Wilson for vet minimum, traded for Justin Fields (hefty 1 year salary, but off the books next season. And hey, might catch lightning in a bottle)
5) See if you're within shot of a QB in the draft next season - but also hedge your bets with some Vets.