Painful and it depends on how far we fall, but if that is what it took to get a true franchise QB, I would do it. We need to get a difference maker at QB, Dex by himself can't win games.
dont trade all pros, you know how hard it is to hit on a top pick as is, it would be like hitting the powerball number that you would replace an All pro with another All pro, let alone multiple. Its crazy.
Until at least the 2026 season, Dexter will be around 30 years old then. Aaron Donald just retired at age 32. If trading him gives us shot at getting franchise QB, which is the only thing that can turn this thing around, you have to seriously consider it
We have a decent chance of having it. If not, certainly top 5. And there should be 5 decent QBs to choose from, none head and shoulders above the others.
are not going 1,2,3,4 - they will spread out like most years and a good one will be in reaching distance- IMO last year was an outlier with the top 4 teams QB needy.
but I wouldn't dismiss this out of hand in the case that this season ends up a total wash.
But logically, if you're trading Dex, the team acquiring him probably doesn't suck.
And you'd be taking on all of the remaining bonus proration and handing them a pretty tidy asset in salary cap terms with 3 years remaining under $20M AAV to the acquiring team, which is a good bit below market.
I would need multiple 1s to consider it. And I think a trading partner would probably be hesitant to do such a thing.
Different position, but the closest comp I have to this trade is Khalil Mack from Raiders to Bears in 2018.
You trade away your best player who is an all pro and a known quantity for draft picks that have no guarantee of being impact players? Just wow. We must have sustained brain damage from this weeks loss.
well your bad trade your good players for drsft picks, why? So you can then try to drsft someone just as good to replace them?
Draft picks the currency of hope
The thought is that if the team is not going to be good for the next 5 years, you may as well get value for Dexter Lawrence, instead of wasting Dexter Lawrence's prime years on a hopeless situation. At some point between now and 2035, Dexter Lawrence is not going to be an NFL player. You have to ask what the best use of his asset value is: as a player, or as deferred performance.
It really depends on how you value the entire roster. If the problem is just the QB then trading Lawrence is silly. If the problem is that Schoen has drafted a bunch of duds... Then it makes more sense to consider.
demanded it and wanted to play for a functional franchise, I would if it's the difference in getting a potential QB..it would make me sad, but Dex isn't the difference in the team winning and losing and everything around him isn't doing anything either so he's wasting his career like Barkley was.
well your bad trade your good players for drsft picks, why? So you can then try to drsft someone just as good to replace them?
Draft picks the currency of hope
The thought is that if the team is not going to be good for the next 5 years, you may as well get value for Dexter Lawrence, instead of wasting Dexter Lawrence's prime years on a hopeless situation. At some point between now and 2035, Dexter Lawrence is not going to be an NFL player. You have to ask what the best use of his asset value is: as a player, or as deferred performance.
It really depends on how you value the entire roster. If the problem is just the QB then trading Lawrence is silly. If the problem is that Schoen has drafted a bunch of duds... Then it makes more sense to consider.
Let me put it this way: if Brian Burns and Kayvon Thibodeaux had played really well on Sunday, I wouldn't even entertain this as a thought, in spite of Jones' struggles. But if it turns out that the Giants have invested a fortune in players that are just not going to move the needle, it doesn't make sense to keep a guy like Dexter here.
is that if your team is absolutely terrible and you're going to be drafting a QB early, you're likely to be at or very near the end of Dex's contract by the time you're any good.
Having more money for potential free agents plus additional first round picks may align better with the timeline the team is looking at.
Trading away a stud like Lawrence is never a no-brainer, but it's not nearly as senseless as some of you make it out to be. I'm not advocating for it - I just see some level of merit in the concept IF the team sucks as much as it looked like it does last week.
Quite frankly it's week 2, and I'm fully hoping that this team is still a lot better than it was last year. The non-emotional part of my brain isn't quite buying that right now.
but I wouldn't dismiss this out of hand in the case that this season ends up a total wash.
But logically, if you're trading Dex, the team acquiring him probably doesn't suck.
And you'd be taking on all of the remaining bonus proration and handing them a pretty tidy asset in salary cap terms with 3 years remaining under $20M AAV to the acquiring team, which is a good bit below market.
I would need multiple 1s to consider it. And I think a trading partner would probably be hesitant to do such a thing.
Different position, but the closest comp I have to this trade is Khalil Mack from Raiders to Bears in 2018.
This. It's not Dex plus a little more for a #1 pick, it's multiple #1 picks for Dex. Unrealistic? Probably, but that's why you don't make the trade.
Belichick traded Richard Seymour, a Hall of Famer in his prime to the Raiders. And then the Pats proceeded to win another three Super Bowls and appear in five overall.
who wouldn't trade Lawrence and a bit more for the #1 overall pick in 2025 needs their fucking head examined. I can't believe I'm actually reading people here saying they would "have to think about it"
On what planet would you not trade a defensive tackle who has to be paid big money very soon and by the time the Giants are good he will be close to the end of his prime.
Stop watching football if you wouldn't do that trade.
because Schoen has no job security and neither does Daboll but a smart move would be to shop him at the deadline for a first rounder. This team is so far away from winning and is very close to another full reset and while Lawrence has been awesome the last couple years trading him if you could get a good package would be smart business.
We should have absolutely zero attachment to any player on the roster. Nabers is the only one I wouldn't trade. Everyone else is fair game.
because Schoen has no job security and neither does Daboll but a smart move would be to shop him at the deadline for a first rounder. This team is so far away from winning and is very close to another full reset and while Lawrence has been awesome the last couple years trading him if you could get a good package would be smart business.
We should have absolutely zero attachment to any player on the roster. Nabers is the only one I wouldn't trade. Everyone else is fair game.
I’m keeping Thomas too. LT are so hard to find and he’s arguably the best in the league. I’d trade Dex even though he could be DPOY on the right team. Need a lot in return but I’d do it for the right haul.
because Schoen has no job security and neither does Daboll but a smart move would be to shop him at the deadline for a first rounder. This team is so far away from winning and is very close to another full reset and while Lawrence has been awesome the last couple years trading him if you could get a good package would be smart business.
We should have absolutely zero attachment to any player on the roster. Nabers is the only one I wouldn't trade. Everyone else is fair game.
I’m keeping Thomas too. LT are so hard to find and he’s arguably the best in the league. I’d trade Dex even though he could be DPOY on the right team. Need a lot in return but I’d do it for the right haul.
Thomas I would have to be absolutely blown away, like 2 #1's to even think about it. I wouldn't do a fire sale for everyone on the roster besides Nabers, but they would all be fair game.
for a round 1 in upcoming draft? Whoever makes that trade should be fired on the spot unless its a guaranteed top 3 pick in a draft with 3 highly rated qbs, like the way Andrew Luck was rated QBs.
Give up whatever you need on defense to find a real QB
and keep the offense in tact. Once you have the QB, then build the defense after. Much easier to put together a decent NFL defense these days than to find a QB.
Cap space over product!
Draft busts/flops, think JaMarcus Russell, Terry Baker, Aundray Bruce, etc.
So, no thanks, this team is on the ropes, as it is.
Everybody else is expendable though.
But logically, if you're trading Dex, the team acquiring him probably doesn't suck.
And you'd be taking on all of the remaining bonus proration and handing them a pretty tidy asset in salary cap terms with 3 years remaining under $20M AAV to the acquiring team, which is a good bit below market.
I would need multiple 1s to consider it. And I think a trading partner would probably be hesitant to do such a thing.
Different position, but the closest comp I have to this trade is Khalil Mack from Raiders to Bears in 2018.
Draft picks the currency of hope
12? No way. The number 1 overall pick? Would seriously have to consider it
Draft picks the currency of hope
The thought is that if the team is not going to be good for the next 5 years, you may as well get value for Dexter Lawrence, instead of wasting Dexter Lawrence's prime years on a hopeless situation. At some point between now and 2035, Dexter Lawrence is not going to be an NFL player. You have to ask what the best use of his asset value is: as a player, or as deferred performance.
It really depends on how you value the entire roster. If the problem is just the QB then trading Lawrence is silly. If the problem is that Schoen has drafted a bunch of duds... Then it makes more sense to consider.
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well your bad trade your good players for drsft picks, why? So you can then try to drsft someone just as good to replace them?
Draft picks the currency of hope
The thought is that if the team is not going to be good for the next 5 years, you may as well get value for Dexter Lawrence, instead of wasting Dexter Lawrence's prime years on a hopeless situation. At some point between now and 2035, Dexter Lawrence is not going to be an NFL player. You have to ask what the best use of his asset value is: as a player, or as deferred performance.
It really depends on how you value the entire roster. If the problem is just the QB then trading Lawrence is silly. If the problem is that Schoen has drafted a bunch of duds... Then it makes more sense to consider.
Let me put it this way: if Brian Burns and Kayvon Thibodeaux had played really well on Sunday, I wouldn't even entertain this as a thought, in spite of Jones' struggles. But if it turns out that the Giants have invested a fortune in players that are just not going to move the needle, it doesn't make sense to keep a guy like Dexter here.
Having more money for potential free agents plus additional first round picks may align better with the timeline the team is looking at.
Trading away a stud like Lawrence is never a no-brainer, but it's not nearly as senseless as some of you make it out to be. I'm not advocating for it - I just see some level of merit in the concept IF the team sucks as much as it looked like it does last week.
Quite frankly it's week 2, and I'm fully hoping that this team is still a lot better than it was last year. The non-emotional part of my brain isn't quite buying that right now.
But logically, if you're trading Dex, the team acquiring him probably doesn't suck.
And you'd be taking on all of the remaining bonus proration and handing them a pretty tidy asset in salary cap terms with 3 years remaining under $20M AAV to the acquiring team, which is a good bit below market.
I would need multiple 1s to consider it. And I think a trading partner would probably be hesitant to do such a thing.
Different position, but the closest comp I have to this trade is Khalil Mack from Raiders to Bears in 2018.
So, yes, per this hypothetical, I would use Sexy as potential trade bait. Obviously the return would have to be very much in our favor.
Belichick traded Richard Seymour, a Hall of Famer in his prime to the Raiders. And then the Pats proceeded to win another three Super Bowls and appear in five overall.
No.
will get wrong anyway. Leave the good players for the next regime.
On what planet would you not trade a defensive tackle who has to be paid big money very soon and by the time the Giants are good he will be close to the end of his prime.
Stop watching football if you wouldn't do that trade.
He's not Aaron Donald.
We should have absolutely zero attachment to any player on the roster. Nabers is the only one I wouldn't trade. Everyone else is fair game.
We should have absolutely zero attachment to any player on the roster. Nabers is the only one I wouldn't trade. Everyone else is fair game.
I’m keeping Thomas too. LT are so hard to find and he’s arguably the best in the league. I’d trade Dex even though he could be DPOY on the right team. Need a lot in return but I’d do it for the right haul.
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because Schoen has no job security and neither does Daboll but a smart move would be to shop him at the deadline for a first rounder. This team is so far away from winning and is very close to another full reset and while Lawrence has been awesome the last couple years trading him if you could get a good package would be smart business.
We should have absolutely zero attachment to any player on the roster. Nabers is the only one I wouldn't trade. Everyone else is fair game.
I’m keeping Thomas too. LT are so hard to find and he’s arguably the best in the league. I’d trade Dex even though he could be DPOY on the right team. Need a lot in return but I’d do it for the right haul.
Thomas I would have to be absolutely blown away, like 2 #1's to even think about it. I wouldn't do a fire sale for everyone on the roster besides Nabers, but they would all be fair game.
Nope we are beating Washington. Book it.