Why does Brandon Brown

is getting a pass. But I can say when my team performs poorly and work, I am culpable not them. How I choose to address underperformers is up to me but it's my show. I would think that is the same thing here, he just works for Joe, he isn't running the show.

The teams Shanahan was an OC for didn’t exactly win a lot of games

decisions?

he and everyone else in that room just came off as another Joe Schoen 'yes-man.' They're all clueless.

In comment 16605705 Dave in Hoboken said:

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he and everyone else in that room just came off as another Joe Schoen 'yes-man.' They're all clueless.

Exactly how did he come off as a yes man

Whet were you looking for from him based on Hard Knocks?

Try to keep up.

Be it Brown or someone else needs to have the character trait of being able to tell the truth no matter how it lands on their owner

I think of (and not as GM but just as examples of this trait)

Shanahan telling his GM that his 7th rd draft pick was his best QB on roster and not either the guy they traded multiple firsts for or the guy that had a 100 mil contract

Belichick telling Kraft that Brady was starting over his 100 mil “like a son” Bledsoe after a 2 INT bad loss and Kraft telling him that he “cant protect him if he does that” meaning he would be fired if it backfired and Belichick proceeding to hold a press conference announcing Brady as starter for the rest of the year .

Come to think of it

In comment 16605713 Dave in Hoboken said:

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Try to keep up.

Try to keep up?..:HUH
Again…what specifically did he do to make you think he was a yes man and what specifically were you looking for from him

trust me, we don't want him to run the Giants. Take my word on it, please.

imparted some of Roseman's mastery on Schoen.

But in reality, Schoen might prefer to do things his way.

I have heard that Brown could be gone at the end of this year.

Captaining the ship...either ours or another teams ship will provide Brandon the ability to do things his way (which may or may not be different than Schoen's.)

If he goes off and is successful, it will be another painful blow to the fandom of the Giants as well as the organization.

teams are going to be knocking down walls tol hire BB. Hes gotten so much hype around here. Hes like the backup qb everyone clamors for when the starter struggles.

Only thing I ever heard was that BB and Mara's nephew were pounding the table to get Bellinger. That came from BD.

Maybe he is a great at what he does or maybe he is a big part of the problem. Just not a lot go on imv.

(which he should be), why would you have an assistant GM fail up like that? Makes no sense to me. Should clean house

In comment 16605761 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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Only thing I ever heard was that BB and Mara's nephew were pounding the table to get Bellinger. That came from BD. Maybe he is a great at what he does or maybe he is a big part of the problem. Just not a lot go on imv.

They passed on Jake Ferguson and Isaiah Likely to take Bellinger.

Agree that Brown has done nothing to warrant replacing Schoen if the latter is fired.

In comment 16605733 Essex said:

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trust me, we don't want him to run the Giants. Take my word on it, please.

Any specific reasons? He was considered a rising star coming out of Philly and a huge get for the Giants. Did they hire him just for the hope of getting the draft picks? I don't feel good about anyone in charge top to bottom at the moment so I'm curious about why.

Don't worry. Brown will soon enough became the Marc Ross of this era. Replete with people not knowing when he was hired, when he was promoted, and what he actually did.

In comment 16605720 Mbavaro said:

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In comment 16605713 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: Try to keep up. Try to keep up?..:HUH Again…what specifically did he do to make you think he was a yes man and what specifically were you looking for from him

Yes men? I didn't get that impression either.

But we always tend to overvalue anyone with a Giants logo on their shirt

He seems to be highly regarded in NFL circles.

In comment 16605705 Dave in Hoboken said:

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he and everyone else in that room just came off as another Joe Schoen 'yes-man.' They're all clueless.

I haven't seen anything, or heard anything he's actually done that has made me say " Hey, this man should be made an NFL GM!!!".

In comment 16605737 GiantBlue said:

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imparted some of Roseman's mastery on Schoen. But in reality, Schoen might prefer to do things his way. I have heard that Brown could be gone at the end of this year. Captaining the ship...either ours or another teams ship will provide Brandon the ability to do things his way (which may or may not be different than Schoen's.) If he goes off and is successful, it will be another painful blow to the fandom of the Giants as well as the organization.

There may be a small group politically invested in Browns future, but, by and large, if he leaves and does well elsewhere, I don't think too many fans are going to give a shit one way or the other, certainly not the outpouring of angst and despair you seemingly anticipate.

In comment 16605737 GiantBlue said:

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imparted some of Roseman's mastery on Schoen. But in reality, Schoen might prefer to do things his way. I have heard that Brown could be gone at the end of this year. Captaining the ship...either ours or another teams ship will provide Brandon the ability to do things his way (which may or may not be different than Schoen's.) If he goes off and is successful, it will be another painful blow to the fandom of the Giants as well as the organization.

There may be a small group politically invested in Browns future, but, by and large, if he leaves and does well elsewhere, I don't think too many fans are going to give a shit one way or the other, certainly not the outpouring of angst and despair you seemingly anticipate.

the next GM

In comment 16606238 Bill in UT said:

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the next GM

That would probably, unfortunately, confirm that he's useless

In comment 16605719 HardTruth said:

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Be it Brown or someone else needs to have the character trait of being able to tell the truth no matter how it lands on their owner I think of (and not as GM but just as examples of this trait) Shanahan telling his GM that his 7th rd draft pick was his best QB on roster and not either the guy they traded multiple firsts for or the guy that had a 100 mil contract Belichick telling Kraft that Brady was starting over his 100 mil “like a son” Bledsoe after a 2 INT bad loss and Kraft telling him that he “cant protect him if he does that” meaning he would be fired if it backfired and Belichick proceeding to hold a press conference announcing Brady as starter for the rest of the year . Come to think of it

Great post.

But for GMs. Nobody really knows what he does, but we're thinking the #1 guy sucks so maybe the #2 guy is better

In comment 16605719 HardTruth said:

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Shanahan telling his GM that his 7th rd draft pick was his best QB on roster and not either the guy they traded multiple firsts for or the guy that had a 100 mil contract

Lynch reports to Shanahan, btw. I absolutely love that dynamic, and it's the correct reporting structure.

Why? Because the HC is the football expert in terms of his program, development, strategy, etc. Does anyone in their right mind think Schoen is in the same galaxy as Daboll with all of the aforementioned? NFW.

Hence, the HC should tell the GM what he's looking for in terms of personnel - college and pro - and the GM brings in recommendations. If the HC likes what he sees, he then instructs the GM to provide contract recommendations, comps, cap implications, etc.

This traditional set-up is so ass-backwards.

In comment 16605700 ajr2456 said:

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The teams Shanahan was an OC for didn’t exactly win a lot of games

Wasn't he OC for Denver for those 80s Superbowl teams and then OC for the Niners SB champion in the 90s?