Appalling DJ stat

I post that fact a lot, and it never gets any less shocking

but he has more pick 6's than passing TDs, 3 to 2, since signing his new contract.

In comment 16605828 Greg from LI said:

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I post that fact a lot, and it never gets any less shocking

I didn’t know that and it makes it so much worse.

In comment 16605829 Mark from Jersey said:

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but he has more pick 6's than passing TDs, 3 to 2, since signing his new contract.

That is just insane. I actually thought that was a joke at first.

I’m not even mad at Jones anymore. He sucks. My ire is now directed at these idiots who somehow had us going into a season where he was given a scholarship/no competition at QB. And who had our QBs as Jones, Lock, & DeVito.

In comment 16605828 Greg from LI said:

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I post that fact a lot, and it never gets any less shocking

Yup--yet, multiple posters just last week were telling us that Jones can throw touchdowns because he did it in 2019!

In comment 16605837 BrettNYG10 said:

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In comment 16605828 Greg from LI said: Quote: I post that fact a lot, and it never gets any less shocking Yup--yet, multiple posters just last week were telling us that Jones can throw touchdowns because he did it in 2019!

Jones threw a touchdown last week.

In comment 16605828 Greg from LI said:

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I post that fact a lot, and it never gets any less shocking

I stopped doing the same. But, so many either point to 2022 or his rookie year or both. Well, let's start with the rookie year. Yes, by far, it was his best season for TDs. But, as you point out, most of those came in 3 games against 3 very bad teams. But, that year he also had a ton of turnovers. That still might be his best year overall.

That brings us to 2022. Why would anyone hang their hat on that extremely mediocre season. What I like to throw out there is in response to the inevitable "but what about his rushing stats" when anyone points out his 15 TDs. Well, if you combine Jones' rushing and passing yards and TDs and compared them to the rest of the QBs passing only numbers, he still doesn't crack the top 10 in 2022. How is that impressive? Yeah, what about those rushing numbers? They bring him from bad to average or mediocre overall in that one single season.

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In comment 16605829 Mark from Jersey said: Quote: but he has more pick 6's than passing TDs, 3 to 2, since signing his new contract. That is just insane. I actually thought that was a joke at first. I’m not even mad at Jones anymore. He sucks. My ire is now directed at these idiots who somehow had us going into a season where he was given a scholarship/no competition at QB. And who had our QBs as Jones, Lock, & DeVito.

Exactly. I can’t get my head around how this was the solution, knowing all this? The greater question is- is our FO and coaching staff going more on feel for current players than what their eyes and stats are telling them. Can they self-scout appropriately? It’s becoming more and more apparent that there’s a major disconnect here.

In comment 16605829 Mark from Jersey said:

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but he has more pick 6's than passing TDs, 3 to 2, since signing his new contract.

And those two TDs came in the second half of the Arizona game, when one of the worst defenses in the NFL inexplicably fell back into a prevent defense with their big lead. Astonishingly stupid for someone like Steichen. It became for DJ the equivalent of a live "seven on seven drill". If he was playing in gym shorts, he might have gotten a couple more!

with a QB they do not want. it's the only explanation to the lunacy we have seen because it defies all logic.

Brian and Joe, blink twice and super long at the next press conference to let us know you are being held captive.

In comment 16605828 Greg from LI said:

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I post that fact a lot, and it never gets any less shocking

More than 1/3 of his career TDs came in 7 games.

Rookie year (vs TB, NYJ, WAS, DET) - 17
2022 (IND reg season, MIN playoffs) - 6
2023 (ARI) - 3

26 TDs in 7 games. 49 in the other 56.

Are his home splits: 27 TDs, 28 ints, 6.29 YPA, 5.57 A/YPA, 78 rating.

It's not uncommon to sometimes find a QB who is worse on the road (especially dome QBs), but Jones is significantly worse at home to the point of being unplayable!

In comment 16605828 Greg from LI said:

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I post that fact a lot, and it never gets any less shocking

I'm not sure that stat alone is so shocking, Ben Roethlisberger had 14% of his regular season TD passes in his first 5 seasons thrown in 3 games. He had 71 starts, Jones had 59.

Obviously Roethlisberger already had 2 Super Bowls and DJ is worse now than he was his rookie season, so I'm not comparing the 2 of them or trying to defend DJ or anything (his most ardent supporter had to give up on him after the Seattle game last season), but I'm not sure that stat alone is so abysmal.

In comment 16605927 jomps said:

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In comment 16605828 Greg from LI said: Quote: I post that fact a lot, and it never gets any less shocking I'm not sure that stat alone is so shocking, Ben Roethlisberger had 14% of his regular season TD passes in his first 5 seasons thrown in 3 games. He had 71 starts, Jones had 59. Obviously Roethlisberger already had 2 Super Bowls and DJ is worse now than he was his rookie season, so I'm not comparing the 2 of them or trying to defend DJ or anything (his most ardent supporter had to give up on him after the Seattle game last season), but I'm not sure that stat alone is so abysmal.

I have no idea how accurate you are here but….there is a rather large difference between 21% and 14% in this scenario

Early in Roethlisberger's career, the Steelers were a VERY run-oriented team. In his first four seasons, they were first, first, fourteenth, and third in rushing attempts...and last, last, fourteenth, and 31st in passing attempts. Starting with their last championship season, they became a more balanced offense, and even pass-heavy in some seasons.

In comment 16605839 ThomasG said:

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In comment 16605837 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: In comment 16605828 Greg from LI said: Quote: I post that fact a lot, and it never gets any less shocking Yup--yet, multiple posters just last week were telling us that Jones can throw touchdowns because he did it in 2019! Jones threw a touchdown last week.

Please say you're trolling.

In comment 16605953 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 16605927 jomps said: Quote: In comment 16605828 Greg from LI said: Quote: I post that fact a lot, and it never gets any less shocking I'm not sure that stat alone is so shocking, Ben Roethlisberger had 14% of his regular season TD passes in his first 5 seasons thrown in 3 games. He had 71 starts, Jones had 59. Obviously Roethlisberger already had 2 Super Bowls and DJ is worse now than he was his rookie season, so I'm not comparing the 2 of them or trying to defend DJ or anything (his most ardent supporter had to give up on him after the Seattle game last season), but I'm not sure that stat alone is so abysmal. I have no idea how accurate you are here but….there is a rather large difference between 21% and 14% in this scenario

Maybe you're right, we'd need a bigger sample size to draw any conclusions.

I applaud his people for taking the Giants front office to the cleaners. This guy did what anyone of us would have in his situation and created generational wealth for him and his family. He will be out of football in a couple of years and never have to work a day in his life and will likely end up on some Saturday morning CFB preview show.

The fault entirely lies with Mara and the front office on this one for failing to honestly and accurately assess their own talent year over year.

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Please say you're trolling.

He didn't say it was a touchdown for the Giants

In comment 16605974 Greg from LI said:

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Early in Roethlisberger's career, the Steelers were a VERY run-oriented team. In his first four seasons, they were first, first, fourteenth, and third in rushing attempts...and last, last, fourteenth, and 31st in passing attempts. Starting with their last championship season, they became a more balanced offense, and even pass-heavy in some seasons.

I'm not arguing any of that, it was also a generation before when it was harder to play QB than today. I'm just not sure that stat, alone, is so abysmal.

For example, imagine a QB who had 3 7TD games in 5 seasons and was injured early in 2 of them, he could have started 55 games, have 110 TD passes (2.0 per game, a very good number) and those 3 games would still represent 19% of his TD passes. Someone could look only at that % and think this is a bad QB.

In the end, we know Jones sucks and this is just another piece of evidence.

In comment 16605839 ThomasG said:

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In comment 16605837 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: In comment 16605828 Greg from LI said: Quote: I post that fact a lot, and it never gets any less shocking Yup--yet, multiple posters just last week were telling us that Jones can throw touchdowns because he did it in 2019! Jones threw a touchdown last week.

Hahaha

are just waking up to this now.

In comment 16605848 GiantTuff1 said:

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with a QB they do not want. it's the only explanation to the lunacy we have seen because it defies all logic. Brian and Joe, blink twice and super long at the next press conference to let us know you are being held captive.

They're at fault. Not Jones. Jones can be mentally broken but if Daboll keeps shipping him out there with no consequences and Schoen didn't bring in any direct competition (although in my mind outside Cousins there really wasn't any unless you feel Russell Wilson isn't physically broken) then they deserve to go down.

In comment 16605982 Blueworm said:

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In comment 16605839 ThomasG said: Quote: In comment 16605837 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: In comment 16605828 Greg from LI said: Quote: I post that fact a lot, and it never gets any less shocking Yup--yet, multiple posters just last week were telling us that Jones can throw touchdowns because he did it in 2019! Jones threw a touchdown last week. Please say you're trolling.

Please say you're thinking.

I've always seen DJ as a terrible Red Zone QB. Do the stats support that feeling?

In comment 16605990 lax counsel said:

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I applaud his people for taking the Giants front office to the cleaners. This guy did what anyone of us would have in his situation and created generational wealth for him and his family. He will be out of football in a couple of years and never have to work a day in his life and will likely end up on some Saturday morning CFB preview show. The fault entirely lies with Mara and the front office on this one for failing to honestly and accurately assess their own talent year over year.

At the same time, they put a bullseye on their guy. That contract does a few things. It says I'm a franchise QB, which means I'm the guy to make the players better and lead the team forward. It also was a bad cap deal up front, the most crucial years to try to build a team around him. So, that combines with the first point to make him the man. The problem is, he has been anything but "the man".