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Daniel Jones: When would you have pulled the plug?

Route 9 : 9/11/2024 2:57 pm
This ought to be good ...

As some of the people here know, I was never a Daniel Jones fan but if you could time travel and have a say, when would you have pulled the plug on Jones? When did you start to catch on he wasn't the guy.

I mentioned this in another thread that I was ready to cut ties with him after 2020 or so and started looking for a new starter. So, if I had a say, he would've maybe started the Denver game in week 1 and that was really pushing it for me.

Then again, I would've never picked him at 6 at the time. I didn't like the pick and wouldn't have taken him.

I see a ton of people are catching on and have had enough, when was your breaking point? Any particular play or just no improvement and when did you come to this conclusion?

If you think he's still a worthy starter, state your case.
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RE: My overall DJ's thoughts throughtout his career...  
Chris684 : 9/12/2024 8:54 am : link
In comment 16606206 jomps said:
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I don't post much, sorry for the long post and if the format is bad.

I wasn't extremely excited about the pick but I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Thought he would sit behind Eli for a season.

Then came his 1st career start vs TB, which was a fantastic game to start a career, followed by a bad stretch that I thought might be part of the learning curve for a rookie, and then he set a few rookie records, 24 passing TDs in 12 games (which I believe was on pace for most in a full rookie season), and four games with 4+ TDs, not bad at all for a rookie season. The biggest complaints I remember were about his fumbles. I can't believe how much he's regressed from his rookie season to his 6th one. He has never passed for 3 touchdowns in a game ever since. Actually, he's never thrown for exactly 3 TD in any game in his career, which is incredibly odd.

Then came the 2020 season, 2 touchdowns in 4 games to open the season, only 47 points scored. Ironically, I started giving up on him during his good streak, when he was slow to pass the ball in the 2point conversion to tie the game vs TB. Then I lost a little more faith with each passing game, @ CIN (yes, even in a win), vs ARI and @ BAL. At that point was the first time I was ready to move on.

But Daniel had the knack to flash once in a while so you'd reconsider giving him a shot, especially since this was our only option since ownership would never move on. The clutch game vs DAL to close the 2020 season and possibly make the playoffs was a good one. 2021 was a mess, with the lone bright spot being the NO game, I couldn't believe how the Giants didn't move on then. Especially with the neck injury.

2022 was a nice season to watch, not necessarily a great QB season, but a great leader of the team season by Daniel, capped off by one of his best games @ MIN in the playoffs. After that game? Everything has been a completely disaster, even his lone good moment @ ARI last season was only possible because he played like shit before halftime. And the Cardinals were a terrible team.

So, to summarise, I was ready to move on ever since the BAL game in 2020 and the most iconic play that made me doubt him was the late 2 point attempt vs TB.

The only pass I give ownership and the GM is that I believe it was too soon in the Daniel Jones saga to draft Justin Herbert, then 2021 and 2022 were very bad QB drafts (outside of Brock Purdy which nobody knew would be good). 2023 is the 1st draft where opportunity and cost could line up, and it definitely lined up in 2024, inexcusable to leave this past draft without a QB, no matter how good Nabers might become.

Just a final observation, imo, if your QB isn't Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, or in the same tier, you should NEVER stop trying to upgrade the position, wheter it's through the Draft, Free Agency, a trade, whatever it takes. The only way to guarantee you'll fail is if you never try.



Great post. Very fair points. Last year’s 6 games after the contract should have been the final nail.
RE: My opinion has always been the Jones pick was a reaction to the  
Lambuth_Special : 9/12/2024 9:08 am : link
In comment 16606158 St. Jimmy said:
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Barkley pick reaction. I think the Barkley pick was a reaction to the 2017 debacle and the Eagles winning the Superbowl. So you could go back to the Eli Manning benching to stop Mara from having to cover his tracks. That said they would have done something else stupid even if Eli was not benched. So I go back to the Atlanta Philadelphia playoff game and have the DB who decided to jump in the air to knee the ball in the air for an Eagles' completion stay on the ground and catch the pick 6 Nock Foles served up. The Eagles don't win the Superbowl and whatever happens with the Giants happens. Chances are Jones isn't drafted and whatever alternate universe of suck Mara has steered the franchise would be reality but hey, at least the Eagles would have not won the Superbowl


Interesting theory on the 2017 Eagles Superbowl win. I was hoping for the opposite reaction; that the Giants would realize they had been thoroughly lapped by their division rival and would finally stop making half-assed moves to recreate the 2011 season. Of course they did the opposite.
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Route 9 : 9/12/2024 9:26 am : link
That moron Falcons DB jumping up for NO reason and the ball bouncing straight up in the air directly into an Eagle players hands, that has to be one of the most infuriating plays I've ever seen in my life in all of sports.

Atlanta Falcons. What a joke of a franchise. Absolutely good for nothing.
RE: ......  
Chris684 : 9/12/2024 9:38 am : link
In comment 16606463 Route 9 said:
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That moron Falcons DB jumping up for NO reason and the ball bouncing straight up in the air directly into an Eagle players hands, that has to be one of the most infuriating plays I've ever seen in my life in all of sports.

Atlanta Falcons. What a joke of a franchise. Absolutely good for nothing.


When that played happened I knew the Eagles were winning the Super Bowl.
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Route 9 : 9/12/2024 9:41 am : link
I had some faith they'd punch the ball in the end zone when they quickly moved the ball down the field. I was actually in the parking lot for that stupid ass game.

Fuck Matt Ryan forever.
He should have been put on the franchise tag before any renewal…  
morrison40 : 9/12/2024 9:52 am : link
Dallas put Dak on the tag twice, I believe
There would be no plug to pull  
OlyWABigBlue : 9/12/2024 10:02 am : link
because he should have never been drafted at #6. All the flags were there. Unfortunately, you could see it coming from a mile away with Gettleman's man-crush and all the beats were on it. The only question was would Jones be at 6 or would they try to wait until 17. Gettleman's lust never sleeps.
The  
Giants4me : 9/12/2024 8:07 pm : link
reason Jones is still here is that the Giants front office
loves him on a personal level and worse doesn't see him for the player he is.

Dabol and Schoen may not survive a 3 win season....which this will be.


RE: My overall DJ's thoughts throughtout his career...  
Eric on Li : 9/12/2024 8:22 pm : link
In comment 16606206 jomps said:
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I don't post much, sorry for the long post and if the format is bad.

I wasn't extremely excited about the pick but I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Thought he would sit behind Eli for a season.

Then came his 1st career start vs TB, which was a fantastic game to start a career, followed by a bad stretch that I thought might be part of the learning curve for a rookie, and then he set a few rookie records, 24 passing TDs in 12 games (which I believe was on pace for most in a full rookie season), and four games with 4+ TDs, not bad at all for a rookie season. The biggest complaints I remember were about his fumbles. I can't believe how much he's regressed from his rookie season to his 6th one. He has never passed for 3 touchdowns in a game ever since. Actually, he's never thrown for exactly 3 TD in any game in his career, which is incredibly odd.

Then came the 2020 season, 2 touchdowns in 4 games to open the season, only 47 points scored. Ironically, I started giving up on him during his good streak, when he was slow to pass the ball in the 2point conversion to tie the game vs TB. Then I lost a little more faith with each passing game, @ CIN (yes, even in a win), vs ARI and @ BAL. At that point was the first time I was ready to move on.

But Daniel had the knack to flash once in a while so you'd reconsider giving him a shot, especially since this was our only option since ownership would never move on. The clutch game vs DAL to close the 2020 season and possibly make the playoffs was a good one. 2021 was a mess, with the lone bright spot being the NO game, I couldn't believe how the Giants didn't move on then. Especially with the neck injury.

2022 was a nice season to watch, not necessarily a great QB season, but a great leader of the team season by Daniel, capped off by one of his best games @ MIN in the playoffs. After that game? Everything has been a completely disaster, even his lone good moment @ ARI last season was only possible because he played like shit before halftime. And the Cardinals were a terrible team.

So, to summarise, I was ready to move on ever since the BAL game in 2020 and the most iconic play that made me doubt him was the late 2 point attempt vs TB.

The only pass I give ownership and the GM is that I believe it was too soon in the Daniel Jones saga to draft Justin Herbert, then 2021 and 2022 were very bad QB drafts (outside of Brock Purdy which nobody knew would be good). 2023 is the 1st draft where opportunity and cost could line up, and it definitely lined up in 2024, inexcusable to leave this past draft without a QB, no matter how good Nabers might become.

Just a final observation, imo, if your QB isn't Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, or in the same tier, you should NEVER stop trying to upgrade the position, wheter it's through the Draft, Free Agency, a trade, whatever it takes. The only way to guarantee you'll fail is if you never try.


great post. the bolded paragraph is dead on and the biggest factor that most wistfully ignore.

people may have felt better if judge had drafted fields/mac (21), or dabs had drafted willis/pickett/corral (22) or levis (23) but you could have drafted all of those guys and nothing would be different about where the team is right now.
RE: RE: My overall DJ's thoughts throughtout his career...  
Go Terps : 9/13/2024 4:15 am : link
In comment 16607190 Eric on Li said:
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great post. the bolded paragraph is dead on and the biggest factor that most wistfully ignore.

people may have felt better if judge had drafted fields/mac (21), or dabs had drafted willis/pickett/corral (22) or levis (23) but you could have drafted all of those guys and nothing would be different about where the team is right now.


This is wrong. Had they drafted any of those QBs in '21/'22 the current QB might very well be any one of the six first round '24 QBs, and we wouldn't be on the hook for $47M for Jones this year. It would have been better to take a QB in the first round every year from '21 to '24 than to have what actually happened.
they shouldn't have  
BigBlueCane : 9/13/2024 4:22 am : link
resigned him.
Didn't love the pick  
BigBlue7 : 9/13/2024 8:03 am : link
hated the contract extension.

If they felt they needed another season with him after the playoff run, then he just should have been franchised an let Barkley go

As a wise man once said: You don't pay a QB big bucks to hand off to an expensive running back...
October 10, 2021  
cosmicj : 9/13/2024 8:03 am : link
I’m a firm believer that QBs emerge as real talents by their 3rd season. The previous week, Jones has one of his best games ever in a comeback win vs the Saints. I’m sure we all remember it. Going into the Oct 10 game vs Dallas, I was ready to see Jones play consistently well, this time against a downright good team.

Instead he stunk. Missed throws. Awful. Then he got injured.

That was it.
The players turned on Jones long ago, when they  
Jim in Hoboken : 9/13/2024 8:04 am : link
saw Barkley jettisoned in favor of Jones. If Mara/Schoen/Daboll stretch the leash even longer, they are risking a total collapse.

At some point Jones may even wish he doesn’t see the field again, he has his money. Mara gave Jones 80M, he should feel bad for Jones. He should feel bad for us.
I would have pulled the plug early on once it was apparent that  
SomeFan : 9/13/2024 8:46 am : link
instincts were lacking and I would NEVER have signed him to the contract he received after 2022. That was insane.
RE: I would have pulled the plug early on once it was apparent that  
DefenseWins : 9/13/2024 11:44 am : link
In comment 16607464 SomeFan said:
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instincts were lacking and I would NEVER have signed him to the contract he received after 2022. That was insane.


I am okay with the contract (will get to why below) but have a bigger problem with how they have addressed the position in general. It was criminal going into the season with a QB who is often injured and two guys who are bodies beneath a helmet as backup QBs.

The contract was not an issue for me because it was a two year contract. They knew they were playing Jones last year. If they drafted a rookie this year, they could still afford both with Jones getting paid big money + a rookie contract.

The one thing that fucked us was our inability to sign a veteran free agent (ie Cousins) with the Jones salary on the books. I think Cousins (or someone similar) is our QB next year.

This year, I would sign Tannehill to be our starter if we could find a way to afford him. Then, keep him as our backup next year. Dump Jones and hold onto cutlets as our #3
Amazing yeoman's work by bw, Terps and Dunk  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/13/2024 12:52 pm : link
in that Stafford thread. I'm not a I told you so kinda guy but its good perspective and how else are you going to learn?

I was a big Jones fan, I thought he could be very high level but I was done after last year. I wanted Penix very badly in the draft and have really gone scorched earth with Schoen sticking with Jones. I no longer believe he's the right guy either. I hope its not Schoen picking our next QB, he has no fuckin clue on QB play or roster building.
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