This ought to be good ...
As some of the people here know, I was never a Daniel Jones fan but if you could time travel and have a say, when would you have pulled the plug on Jones? When did you start to catch on he wasn't the guy.
I mentioned this in another thread that I was ready to cut ties with him after 2020 or so and started looking for a new starter. So, if I had a say, he would've maybe started the Denver game in week 1 and that was really pushing it for me.
Then again, I would've never picked him at 6 at the time. I didn't like the pick and wouldn't have taken him.
I see a ton of people are catching on and have had enough, when was your breaking point? Any particular play or just no improvement and when did you come to this conclusion?
If you think he's still a worthy starter, state your case.
I wasn't extremely excited about the pick but I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Thought he would sit behind Eli for a season.
Then came his 1st career start vs TB, which was a fantastic game to start a career, followed by a bad stretch that I thought might be part of the learning curve for a rookie, and then he set a few rookie records, 24 passing TDs in 12 games (which I believe was on pace for most in a full rookie season), and four games with 4+ TDs, not bad at all for a rookie season. The biggest complaints I remember were about his fumbles. I can't believe how much he's regressed from his rookie season to his 6th one. He has never passed for 3 touchdowns in a game ever since. Actually, he's never thrown for exactly 3 TD in any game in his career, which is incredibly odd.
Then came the 2020 season, 2 touchdowns in 4 games to open the season, only 47 points scored. Ironically, I started giving up on him during his good streak, when he was slow to pass the ball in the 2point conversion to tie the game vs TB. Then I lost a little more faith with each passing game, @ CIN (yes, even in a win), vs ARI and @ BAL. At that point was the first time I was ready to move on.
But Daniel had the knack to flash once in a while so you'd reconsider giving him a shot, especially since this was our only option since ownership would never move on. The clutch game vs DAL to close the 2020 season and possibly make the playoffs was a good one. 2021 was a mess, with the lone bright spot being the NO game, I couldn't believe how the Giants didn't move on then. Especially with the neck injury.
2022 was a nice season to watch, not necessarily a great QB season, but a great leader of the team season by Daniel, capped off by one of his best games @ MIN in the playoffs. After that game? Everything has been a completely disaster, even his lone good moment @ ARI last season was only possible because he played like shit before halftime. And the Cardinals were a terrible team.
So, to summarise, I was ready to move on ever since the BAL game in 2020 and the most iconic play that made me doubt him was the late 2 point attempt vs TB.
The only pass I give ownership and the GM is that I believe it was too soon in the Daniel Jones saga to draft Justin Herbert, then 2021 and 2022 were very bad QB drafts (outside of Brock Purdy which nobody knew would be good). 2023 is the 1st draft where opportunity and cost could line up, and it definitely lined up in 2024, inexcusable to leave this past draft without a QB, no matter how good Nabers might become.
Just a final observation, imo, if your QB isn't Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, or in the same tier, you should NEVER stop trying to upgrade the position, wheter it's through the Draft, Free Agency, a trade, whatever it takes. The only way to guarantee you'll fail is if you never try.
Great post. Very fair points. Last year’s 6 games after the contract should have been the final nail.
Interesting theory on the 2017 Eagles Superbowl win. I was hoping for the opposite reaction; that the Giants would realize they had been thoroughly lapped by their division rival and would finally stop making half-assed moves to recreate the 2011 season. Of course they did the opposite.
Atlanta Falcons. What a joke of a franchise. Absolutely good for nothing.
Atlanta Falcons. What a joke of a franchise. Absolutely good for nothing.
When that played happened I knew the Eagles were winning the Super Bowl.
Fuck Matt Ryan forever.
loves him on a personal level and worse doesn't see him for the player he is.
Dabol and Schoen may not survive a 3 win season....which this will be.
I wasn't extremely excited about the pick but I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Thought he would sit behind Eli for a season.
Then came his 1st career start vs TB, which was a fantastic game to start a career, followed by a bad stretch that I thought might be part of the learning curve for a rookie, and then he set a few rookie records, 24 passing TDs in 12 games (which I believe was on pace for most in a full rookie season), and four games with 4+ TDs, not bad at all for a rookie season. The biggest complaints I remember were about his fumbles. I can't believe how much he's regressed from his rookie season to his 6th one. He has never passed for 3 touchdowns in a game ever since. Actually, he's never thrown for exactly 3 TD in any game in his career, which is incredibly odd.
Then came the 2020 season, 2 touchdowns in 4 games to open the season, only 47 points scored. Ironically, I started giving up on him during his good streak, when he was slow to pass the ball in the 2point conversion to tie the game vs TB. Then I lost a little more faith with each passing game, @ CIN (yes, even in a win), vs ARI and @ BAL. At that point was the first time I was ready to move on.
But Daniel had the knack to flash once in a while so you'd reconsider giving him a shot, especially since this was our only option since ownership would never move on. The clutch game vs DAL to close the 2020 season and possibly make the playoffs was a good one. 2021 was a mess, with the lone bright spot being the NO game, I couldn't believe how the Giants didn't move on then. Especially with the neck injury.
2022 was a nice season to watch, not necessarily a great QB season, but a great leader of the team season by Daniel, capped off by one of his best games @ MIN in the playoffs. After that game? Everything has been a completely disaster, even his lone good moment @ ARI last season was only possible because he played like shit before halftime. And the Cardinals were a terrible team.
So, to summarise, I was ready to move on ever since the BAL game in 2020 and the most iconic play that made me doubt him was the late 2 point attempt vs TB.
The only pass I give ownership and the GM is that I believe it was too soon in the Daniel Jones saga to draft Justin Herbert, then 2021 and 2022 were very bad QB drafts (outside of Brock Purdy which nobody knew would be good). 2023 is the 1st draft where opportunity and cost could line up, and it definitely lined up in 2024, inexcusable to leave this past draft without a QB, no matter how good Nabers might become.
Just a final observation, imo, if your QB isn't Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, or in the same tier, you should NEVER stop trying to upgrade the position, wheter it's through the Draft, Free Agency, a trade, whatever it takes. The only way to guarantee you'll fail is if you never try.
great post. the bolded paragraph is dead on and the biggest factor that most wistfully ignore.
people may have felt better if judge had drafted fields/mac (21), or dabs had drafted willis/pickett/corral (22) or levis (23) but you could have drafted all of those guys and nothing would be different about where the team is right now.
great post. the bolded paragraph is dead on and the biggest factor that most wistfully ignore.
people may have felt better if judge had drafted fields/mac (21), or dabs had drafted willis/pickett/corral (22) or levis (23) but you could have drafted all of those guys and nothing would be different about where the team is right now.
This is wrong. Had they drafted any of those QBs in '21/'22 the current QB might very well be any one of the six first round '24 QBs, and we wouldn't be on the hook for $47M for Jones this year. It would have been better to take a QB in the first round every year from '21 to '24 than to have what actually happened.
If they felt they needed another season with him after the playoff run, then he just should have been franchised an let Barkley go
As a wise man once said: You don't pay a QB big bucks to hand off to an expensive running back...
Instead he stunk. Missed throws. Awful. Then he got injured.
That was it.
At some point Jones may even wish he doesn’t see the field again, he has his money. Mara gave Jones 80M, he should feel bad for Jones. He should feel bad for us.
I am okay with the contract (will get to why below) but have a bigger problem with how they have addressed the position in general. It was criminal going into the season with a QB who is often injured and two guys who are bodies beneath a helmet as backup QBs.
The contract was not an issue for me because it was a two year contract. They knew they were playing Jones last year. If they drafted a rookie this year, they could still afford both with Jones getting paid big money + a rookie contract.
The one thing that fucked us was our inability to sign a veteran free agent (ie Cousins) with the Jones salary on the books. I think Cousins (or someone similar) is our QB next year.
This year, I would sign Tannehill to be our starter if we could find a way to afford him. Then, keep him as our backup next year. Dump Jones and hold onto cutlets as our #3
I was a big Jones fan, I thought he could be very high level but I was done after last year. I wanted Penix very badly in the draft and have really gone scorched earth with Schoen sticking with Jones. I no longer believe he's the right guy either. I hope its not Schoen picking our next QB, he has no fuckin clue on QB play or roster building.