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New York Giants Updates - September 12, 2024

Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 8:03 am

Thursday, September 12, 2024

Special Teams Coordinator Michael Ghobrial – 12:05 p.m.

Defensive Coordinator Shane Bowen – 12:15 p.m.

Assistant Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator Mike Kafka – 12:25 p.m.

Practice – 12:45 p.m. – 2:45 p.m.

Players Available – Approx. 2:55 p.m.

"Coach Bowen"  
Mike from Ohio : 9/12/2024 8:48 am : link
"Sam Darnold completed his first 12 passes and 80% on the day against your defense in a game where they took their foot off the peddle for the 4th quarter. Please explain yourself."
We have changed defensive coordinators  
kelly : 9/12/2024 9:00 am : link
Numerous times. The results are the same. Terrible defense.

We have 3 above average players on defense the rest are average at best.

We tend to overate our talent. But the results show what our talent level really is at.
RE: We have changed defensive coordinators  
SirLoinOfBeef : 9/12/2024 9:29 am : link
In comment 16606435 kelly said:
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Numerous times. The results are the same. Terrible defense.

We have 3 above average players on defense the rest are average at best.

We tend to overate our talent. But the results show what our talent level really is at.


I agree. Especially on defense. The offense is harder to evaluate because of the QB situation.

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Blue Baas : 9/12/2024 9:51 am : link
In comment 16606422 Mike from Ohio said:
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"Sam Darnold completed his first 12 passes and 80% on the day against your defense in a game where they took their foot off the peddle for the 4th quarter. Please explain yourself."


Reminded of the quote from Okereke last year, he said it took 5 games to acclimate to Wink's defense. There were always going to be lumps out of the gate. The secondary has a lot of change in particular. McKinney -> Nubin and the 5 CB rotation will settle in. Also, 6th rounder Muasau had to start.
RE: We have changed defensive coordinators  
Somers24 : 9/12/2024 10:36 am : link
In comment 16606435 kelly said:
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Numerous times. The results are the same. Terrible defense.

We have 3 above average players on defense the rest are average at best.

We tend to overate our talent. But the results show what our talent level really is at.


I would say Dex, Burns, Okereke, Banks even Kayvon are above average. Average is not a lofty threshold. And the safety's are very young but promising.
RE: We have changed defensive coordinators  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/12/2024 11:42 am : link
In comment 16606435 kelly said:
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Numerous times. The results are the same. Terrible defense.

We have 3 above average players on defense the rest are average at best.

We tend to overate our talent. But the results show what our talent level really is at.


They've played, I think, less than 70 snaps of the football with a new defense. A very different defense than last year and starting several rookies at key positions.

There will be plenty of time to complain if things dont clean up in a month. At this point its a little much to draw conclusions.

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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 12:53 pm : link
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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#Giants100 Ghobrial - saw some more variety of KOR in wk 1.....if you stop the KOR inside the 25, it sparks your defense when it goes on the field

#Giants100 Ghobrial - smith marsette is bigger in person and has real speed.

#Giants100 Ghobrial - when the punt hits the ground, all guys need to stay away...slayton was caught on the middle of trying to return it because ball came off punter's foot funny
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 12:54 pm : link
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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36m
#Giants100 Ghobrial - gillan had a really good game vs vikes...start with the snap and then he was able to really put his foot on the ball.

#Giants100 Ghobrial - the punt to the 1 vs minny happened the friday before the vikings game - at that time, ford wheaton made the play to down it
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 12:55 pm : link
Matt Citak

@MattCitak
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36m
Special teams coordinator Michael Ghobrial said new return specialist Ihmir Smith-Marsette “has real, real speed.” Smith-Marsette surprised Ghobrial with his size when he first arrived for a tryout on Monday.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 12:55 pm : link
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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35m
#Giants100 Bowen - a lot to improve in vs minny.. too many long passes...started well and then didnt make enough plays

#Giants100 Bowen - flott went into the slot because he had experience and was unsure about other pieces....phillips impressed and hope for more improvement

#Giants100 Bowen - hawkins and Ajax can take up slack if mcloud is out.....still has confidemce in front four and the edge guys
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 12:56 pm : link
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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33m
#Giants100 Bowen - tell the guys that the best players HAVE to be good and perform every week....

#Giants100 Bowen - lack of heat vs minny was a combo of things ... some of their protections and some play calls and some of not winning 1 on 1s

#Giants100 Bowen - there were plays where the esge guys were around darnold but didnt finish the play....need to get there and be consistent
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 12:57 pm : link
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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32m
#Giants100 Bowen - when the plays are there to make, you have to make them....although you wont win all of them

#Giants100 Bowen - daniels is explosive and gets vertical....decisive in throwing the ball....had a really good debut....got to match and cover and not let him get loose

#Giants100 Bowen on simmons - expect him to play vs wash...he should be frustrated about the minn game...proud of his response...want him to make most of it
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 12:58 pm : link
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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Shane Bowen, #Giants DC, says just now that he expects Isaiah Simmons to play this week at Washington on defense. Bowen says he’s glad Simmons is frustrated, and he’s handled it well in practice so far
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 12:58 pm : link
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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30m
#Giants100 Bowen on dexter lawrence - he is always going to be a handful.....they double him and we have to win the 1 on 1s on the outside
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 1:04 pm : link
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
Giants DC Shane Bowen said he tells his defensive front (Dexter Lawrence, Brian Burns, Kayvon Thibodeaux) every day they have to be dominant. This defense needs it in order to be successful.

The resources spent on it demand that. These are the “expectations that come with that,” Bowen said. #Giants
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 1:05 pm : link
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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34m
#Giants100 Kafka on Nabers - good to get him some chances in wk 1....want to build on it...you design how you want to use him and then see what the defense is taking away...and sort through the options

#Giants100 Kafka - daily talk in QB room is about the progressions on top of core concepts and installs

#Giants100 Kafka - pressure of pass rush, timing, route discipline, footwork, a whole bunch of things go into a passing operation....got to practice things going awry so you can still make plays
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 1:06 pm : link
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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32m
#Giants100 Kafka - going to specifically work on the details of the footwork with jones today .... trying to build a library of specific movements in certain situations

#Giants100 Kafka - doesnt matter how long you play, got to lean on fundamentals to self-correct

#Giants100 Kafka - havent seen loss of confidence in jones....all offense has to play as one...it is an 11-man operation
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 1:07 pm : link
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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29m
#Giants100 Kafka - everyone can have an opinion..... knows jones and he has dealt with the opinioms better than any QB and that is part of the job..he is tough
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 1:07 pm : link
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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30m
Wide receiver Darius Slayton is in a red non-contact jersey for today’s practice. So another step in the protocol closer to potentially being cleared for Sunday’s #Giants game at Washington
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 1:07 pm : link
Charlotte Carroll
@charlottecrrll
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26m
DC Shane Bowen on #giants pass rush:

“I tell them that every day, ‘Where the resources are delegated, you got to be good. Your best players got to be good, right? It’s the nature of the league. Your best players got to play their best every single Sunday.”
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 1:08 pm : link
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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26m
#Giants100 Daboll - slayton progressing to red jersey non contact today; mcloud, muasau gunner still out...
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 1:08 pm : link
GiantsWFAN
@giantswfan
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25m
#Giants100 Daboll - sees similarities to way wash defense plays to dallas did under quinn

#Giants100 Daboll - daniels makes explosive plays with his feet...it is 11 on 11 and it is difficult
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 1:31 pm : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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4m
LB Darius Muasau (knee) and CB Nick McCloud (knee) were on the side again. Not looking good for Sunday. No sign of WR Gunner Olszewski (groin), who again is likely headed to IR.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 1:50 pm : link
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
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15m
#Giants outside linebackers coach Charlie Bullen suffered a broken leg when he got hit on the sideline during Sunday's game. He had surgery today.

Looked like Ben Burress was stepping into his place. Burress was working 1-on-1 with Brian Burns.
RE: RE: We have changed defensive coordinators  
Bob from Massachusetts : 9/12/2024 1:52 pm : link
In comment 16606468 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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In comment 16606435 kelly said:


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Numerous times. The results are the same. Terrible defense.

We have 3 above average players on defense the rest are average at best.

We tend to overate our talent. But the results show what our talent level really is at.





I agree. Especially on defense. The offense is harder to evaluate because of the QB situation.


Well, if you have 3 above average players and the rest are average, you have an above average defense. I can live with that for now, and I wish we could do the same on offense.
RE: ...  
Scooter185 : 9/12/2024 2:00 pm : link
In comment 16606722 Eric from BBI said:
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Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
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15m
#Giants outside linebackers coach Charlie Bullen suffered a broken leg when he got hit on the sideline during Sunday's game. He had surgery today.

Looked like Ben Burress was stepping into his place. Burress was working 1-on-1 with Brian Burns.


Damn even the coaches aren't immune from the injury bug
RE: RE: We have changed defensive coordinators  
NJLCO : 9/12/2024 2:16 pm : link
In comment 16606509 Somers24 said:
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In comment 16606435 kelly said:


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Numerous times. The results are the same. Terrible defense.

We have 3 above average players on defense the rest are average at best.

We tend to overate our talent. But the results show what our talent level really is at.



I would say Dex, Burns, Okereke, Banks even Kayvon are above average. Average is not a lofty threshold. And the safety's are very young but promising.

Kayvon is a stretch, a big stretch
RE: RE: ...  
section125 : 9/12/2024 3:00 pm : link
In comment 16606742 Scooter185 said:
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In comment 16606722 Eric from BBI said:


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Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
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15m
#Giants outside linebackers coach Charlie Bullen suffered a broken leg when he got hit on the sideline during Sunday's game. He had surgery today.

Looked like Ben Burress was stepping into his place. Burress was working 1-on-1 with Brian Burns.



Damn even the coaches aren't immune from the injury bug


It is the turf!
RE: We have changed defensive coordinators  
nygiants16 : 9/12/2024 3:05 pm : link
In comment 16606435 kelly said:
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Numerous times. The results are the same. Terrible defense.

We have 3 above average players on defense the rest are average at best.

We tend to overate our talent. But the results show what our talent level really is at.


Okereke, Burns , Dex are all very good

Pinncok, Banks, mcfadden and Thibs are all abkve average

Nubin and Phillips are rookies who both had good starts to their career..

There is plenty on this defense
RE: RE: RE: ...  
jvm52106 : 9/12/2024 3:24 pm : link
In comment 16606821 section125 said:
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In comment 16606742 Scooter185 said:


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In comment 16606722 Eric from BBI said:


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Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
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15m
#Giants outside linebackers coach Charlie Bullen suffered a broken leg when he got hit on the sideline during Sunday's game. He had surgery today.

Looked like Ben Burress was stepping into his place. Burress was working 1-on-1 with Brian Burns.



Damn even the coaches aren't immune from the injury bug



It is the turf!



What?? he got plowed into on the sidelines during the game.
RE: RE: We have changed defensive coordinators  
HomerJones45 : 9/12/2024 3:27 pm : link
In comment 16606828 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16606435 kelly said:


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Numerous times. The results are the same. Terrible defense.

We have 3 above average players on defense the rest are average at best.

We tend to overate our talent. But the results show what our talent level really is at.



Okereke, Burns , Dex are all very good

Pinncok, Banks, mcfadden and Thibs are all abkve average

Nubin and Phillips are rookies who both had good starts to their career..

There is plenty on this defense
Yeah, the Vikings and the immortal Sam Darnold were no doubt very impressed
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/12/2024 3:45 pm : link
Dan Salomone
@Dan_Salomone
GIANTS INJURY REPORT 9/12

Did Not Participate in Practice:
▪️ CB Nick McCloud (Knee)
▪️ LB Darius Muasau (Knee)
▪️ WR Gunner Olszewski (Groin)

Limited
▪️ WR Malik Nabers (Knee)
▪️ WR Darius Slayton (Concussion Protocol)

Full:
▪️ LB Micah McFadden (Groin)
RE: RE: We have changed defensive coordinators  
Go Terps : 9/12/2024 3:55 pm : link
In comment 16606828 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 16606435 kelly said:


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Numerous times. The results are the same. Terrible defense.

We have 3 above average players on defense the rest are average at best.

We tend to overate our talent. But the results show what our talent level really is at.



Okereke, Burns , Dex are all very good

Pinncok, Banks, mcfadden and Thibs are all abkve average

Nubin and Phillips are rookies who both had good starts to their career..

There is plenty on this defense


This roster has only two very good players on it, neither of whom were acquired by this regime.
nygiants16  
Sean : 9/12/2024 4:50 pm : link
What tangible results do you want to see this year to feel there is progress?
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