This is what I've been talking about during Monday's and Wednesday's podcasts:
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12-year NFL vet and former #Giants TE @KyleRudolph on watching Daniel Jones Week 1 👀
"His confidence looks completely destroyed and how can you blame him? Every time he goes out there he's fighting for his life."
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Hey, watch it! That's "The Nephew's" buddy from Notre Dame who had a $7 million cup of coffee with the Giants despite needing foot surgery before playing a down.
There's no reason at this point for Rudolph to say Jones always sucked. Maybe he saw some good things before Jones got hurt in 2021, maybe not. The team was mediocre-at-best with Jones, and abjectly horrible without him. Jones was part of the problem that year, but not the biggest part. Rudolph does the right thing here, acknowledging that Jones may be unsalvagable now without suggesting that he never had any chance of being good.
Yeah, that’s pretty scary stuff
Unfortunately nobody else in the division is stupid enough to do that.
Did you even read or listen? It's literally saying he is lacking confidence and looks broken.
I would give DJ to the Cowboys or Eagles and pay every cent of his salary as long as they agreed to play him every play.
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This is crap. Any NFL QB would be fine with the support he got
Did you even read or listen? It's literally saying he is lacking confidence and looks broken.
It also says "he's fighting for his life out there."
Fighting who? His own brain?
As you've said, "Jones is done" seems to be the case. Better to move on sooner rather than later.
Originally I thought the hook for Jones wouldn't come until after the Dallas game, but it might come this Sunday if Jones performs as poorly versus Washington.
Ugh.
Much better to rely on the credibility of posters on a fan site.
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As a vastly underperforming TE for the Giants he has none.
Much better to rely on the credibility of posters on a fan site.
Cross then Rudolph. maybe it's just tight ends who can't grasp the game.
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In comment 16606709 JoeMorrison40 said:
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As a vastly underperforming TE for the Giants he has none.
Much better to rely on the credibility of posters on a fan site.
Cross then Rudolph. maybe it's just tight ends who can't grasp the game.
Might just be fans who refuse to consider bias as a possibility when they really, really want an "expert" to agree with their opinion.
Cross is on the Giants' payroll and works within the communications department. I'm not saying his opinion is absolutely fed to him from above, but can you definitively rule that out?
As for Kyle Rudolph? He's personal friends with Tim McDonnell. And he was being interviewed by someone who openly has a crush on DJ. Any shot that there might be even a hint of pro-DJ bias between the two of them?
That's not questioning anyone's football knowledge, IMO. It's just a reminder that all humans succumb to their own biases at times.
Sure he has. This is who he was before that game.
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That Seahawks game last year did irreparable damage to Jones. He has not been the same player since that game.
Sure he has. This is who he was before that game.
That’s not true, he was never this bad. His accuracy and pocket presence was an an All Time low on Sunday.
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This is crap. Any NFL QB would be fine with the support he got
Did you even read or listen? It's literally saying he is lacking confidence and looks broken.
What is your problem? It also says he is fighting for his life out there, which is what I was referring to. Did you even read or listen?
That's where I'm at. I don't care what offramps the DJFC need to cook up to avoid admitting they were totally wrong. What's important is that we're finally here and the pitchforks and torches are coming out.
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That Seahawks game last year did irreparable damage to Jones. He has not been the same player since that game.
Sure he has. This is who he was before that game.
That’s not true, he was never this bad. His accuracy and pocket presence was an an All Time low on Sunday.
I doubt we'll agree no matter how well I make my case, but from my vantage point, nothing about DJ has changed since the Seattle game. He only plays one of two ways: too conservative to make any plays, or too slow/robotic for the plays to happen on time.
Throwing the ball into the ground repeatedly was a new wrinkle, but if anything, that would likely be related to the Miami game last year (neck injury, which was followed by some quiet questions about DJ's mechanics when he came back).
If the Seattle game was some sort of negative watershed moment for DJ, why was Seattle's rookie CB so vocal about the things they had seen on film before that game (which they proceeded to expose)? It's because he was already that player going into the Seattle game. He's always been this guy. There's just more tape on him with each passing year, so even the cheat codes don't work anymore.
I worried about this outcome with Dave Brown. But that didn't happen.
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In comment 16606770 PatersonPlank said:
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This is crap. Any NFL QB would be fine with the support he got
Did you even read or listen? It's literally saying he is lacking confidence and looks broken.
It also says "he's fighting for his life out there."
Fighting who? His own brain?
lol...
Last year maybe, but the protection was not bad on Sunday. If he was in rhythm and didn't have the yips and could pull the freaking trigger he wouldn't have to unnecessarily run for his life. He's feeling ghosts.
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In comment 16606803 JoeyBigBlue said:
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That Seahawks game last year did irreparable damage to Jones. He has not been the same player since that game.
Sure he has. This is who he was before that game.
That’s not true, he was never this bad. His accuracy and pocket presence was an an All Time low on Sunday.
Outside of 2 quarters in Arizona, this is largely what he looked like last year. And during the playoff game versus Philly as well before that.
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In comment 16606709 JoeMorrison40 said:
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As a vastly underperforming TE for the Giants he has none.
Much better to rely on the credibility of posters on a fan site.
Cross then Rudolph. maybe it's just tight ends who can't grasp the game.
Might just be fans who refuse to consider bias as a possibility when they really, really want an "expert" to agree with their opinion.
Cross is on the Giants' payroll and works within the communications department. I'm not saying his opinion is absolutely fed to him from above, but can you definitively rule that out?
As for Kyle Rudolph? He's personal friends with Tim McDonnell. And he was being interviewed by someone who openly has a crush on DJ. Any shot that there might be even a hint of pro-DJ bias between the two of them?
That's not questioning anyone's football knowledge, IMO. It's just a reminder that all humans succumb to their own biases at times.
Good posts.
Rudolph is also part of the spin factor to shine the turd that is Jones on a Jones friendly show. Kay would die a little if guests were overly critical of Daniel.
If that is your "greatest fear", I suggest it's time to check your behavioral benefit options of your medical plans.
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In comment 16606770 PatersonPlank said:
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This is crap. Any NFL QB would be fine with the support he got
Did you even read or listen? It's literally saying he is lacking confidence and looks broken.
What is your problem? It also says he is fighting for his life out there, which is what I was referring to. Did you even read or listen?
I'm pretty sure he intended his general career about fighting for his life. My problem is a bunch of you turning everything into a conspiracy and acting like Jones has always been this bad.
Who was worse? Jones or Dave Brown?
His stats and his general level of play aren't really different than his years at Duke. Whether you want to call it good, bad, adequate, whatever, the adjective doesn't matter - the reality is that DJ has always been this QB.
Yes, Shurmur was able to replicate his Case Keenum OC performance from a couple years earlier during DJ's rookie year. It helped that there was no NFL tape on DJ at the time, and it's often overlooked that the bulk of the good stats from that year occurred in only a few games. Much of that rookie campaign looked a lot like the years that preceded and followed.
Yes, Daboll and Kafka were able to unlock a level of effectiveness in 2022, but that was largely on the ground. DJ's skills as a passer were not particularly outstanding that year either.
With the exception of literally a handful of games throughout his career, DJ has always been this QB: struggles to read defenses, cannot throw with anticipation, waits to see WRs complete their route before throwing, lacks pocket awareness, and wants to either check down or run when his first read isn't there. The only thing that has changed more recently is some fans' willingness to see the outlier games for what they were: flukes, not flashes.
I doubt we'll agree no matter how well I make my case, but from my vantage point, nothing about DJ has changed since the Seattle game. He only plays one of two ways: too conservative to make any plays, or too slow/robotic for the plays to happen on time.
Throwing the ball into the ground repeatedly was a new wrinkle, but if anything, that would likely be related to the Miami game last year (neck injury, which was followed by some quiet questions about DJ's mechanics when he came back).
If the Seattle game was some sort of negative watershed moment for DJ, why was Seattle's rookie CB so vocal about the things they had seen on film before that game (which they proceeded to expose)? It's because he was already that player going into the Seattle game. He's always been this guy. There's just more tape on him with each passing year, so even the cheat codes don't work anymore.
We will agree to disagree then. Jones was not a star but he was at least a serviceable player. I would not take anything that was said after that Seahawks game an absolutely judgment on a player, when the Seahawks wanted to rub salt on the wound after a dominant performance.
He is cooked.
Mac Jones might have some life in him, sure.
I think he’s just struggling badly.
I think he's just a shitty QB.
Always has been.
It's been five years but, sure, this game will do it for him.
Not surprising that he is grateful to the Giants for the free cash and feels a connection to Jones
Not surprising that he is grateful to the Giants for the free cash and feels a connection to Jones
Yup.
Just like Logan Ryan chirping about Schoen playing 'Moneyball". Loyal Gettleman apologist.
"struggling"?
So 60+ games isn't a large enough sample size?
He's playing preseasons from here on out.
Beyond parody.
Not surprising that he is grateful to the Giants for the free cash and feels a connection to Jones
That Rudolph signing is actually scandalous. It was ignored because of the disaster that was the Golladay signing. It alone should preclude Tim McDonnell from being elevated to CEO.
I’m quite serious. If the Giants Board was functioning correctly, they should open an investigation into how Rudolph was cleared and signed.