In an article in The Athletic regarding QB contracts, an unnamed negotiator was not too happy with the Giants over the Daniel Jones contract.
“When people weren’t willing to make Daniel Jones play it out, that is when the world exploded,” a contract negotiator from an NFL team said. “We are not even talking Tua, who had huge production. We are talking Daniel Freaking Jones.”
Why were NYG leadership/ownership probably the only professionals who couldn't see what a mistake that was. I don't but the "if not Jones, who" defense. Even in Jones' "good" year in 2022 - he wasn't all that good. I would have rather been stuck with a bargain basement free agent for a year or two while they concentrated on building the rest of the team and finding our future starter. Hopefully we are not stuck with the albatross that is DJ for both this year and next.
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yeah i mean i fail to see how that had any impact. lamar and hurts and herbert and all those guys were clearly able to show that kyler and watson at 46m, with bigger guarantees, were what they had a right to exceed. and that's what they did. all this year's guys extended off those deals.
Not saying I agree or that is what I would do but just commenting on the timing and possible reasons why..
I think he would've gone to the Panthers. They may be more incompetent than the Giants.
Watson's contract is the one that got out of hand and there were some before that. Jones' contract is mid-level.
It was bad because Jones is bad. But starting QBs in the NFL get paid, like it or not.
Sending Team Jones to the market was absolutely the right move.
There may have been some demand, but it was soft at best. I really wish there was a time machine to test that. But you were on this from the get-go.
I've written this so much that I have carpal tunnel syndrome, but the transition tag was the move. And I don't care if the player would have felt slighted. BFD. Welcome to the business side of the NFL. So, go out and kill it the following year...
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Sending Jones out to the market to find a better deal. There wasn’t one out there.
I think he would've gone to the Panthers. They may be more incompetent than the Giants.
Why would the Panthers have signed Jones with the #2?
You can bet every qb negotiation since Jones signed his gift letter has started with "Daniel Jones got $40 million a year; my guy is way better so let's start the negotiations at $60 per year."
Schoen and Daboll are going to ride Jones praying for a miracle because if Jones continues to shit the bed, neither of them is ever getting back in the positions of GM and HC.
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Sending Jones out to the market to find a better deal. There wasn’t one out there.
Sending Team Jones to the market was absolutely the right move.
There may have been some demand, but it was soft at best. I really wish there was a time machine to test that. But you were on this from the get-go.
I've written this so much that I have carpal tunnel syndrome, but the transition tag was the move. And I don't care if the player would have felt slighted. BFD. Welcome to the business side of the NFL. So, go out and kill it the following year...
I understand your point here, BUT if there's a team like the Browns that would sign the Watson contract and a team like the falcons to do the cousins contract, there's definitely a team out there that would have paid DJ(a playoff winning mobile QB /s). And while right now that seems like it would have been best, at the time we were coming off our first playoff victory in close to a decade, the stadium was filled with chants for DJ and finding a QB to 'take the team to the next level' was, I'm sure, not an easy task. If you think letting him walk and drafting a QB wouldn't have driven at least half the fan base wild I think you're off. We were drafting later, our subsequent OL would have destroyed any rookie and the HC and GM would have been MORE crucified.
Who that offseason was paying Jones $40 million?
Not an easy task? Schoen was part of a front office that did that same exact thing with Tyrod Taylor. They even traded their premier left tackle so they can get it done.
What’s going to be worse than the fan reaction if they would have let Jones walk, is the fan reaction if the season goes where it’s likely headed
The albatross isn't the contract itself, although the contract is bad, it's Jones himself. It's sticking with this guy for 6, possibly 7, years when he is clearly not the answer.
Team Jones definitely won those negotiations. The smaller win for Schoen getting the off-ramp after 2024.
Fact of the matter is this regime has still won more playoff games than half of the NFL since they’ve been here.
People need to remember that if Jones was tagged, the Giants maintained matching rights and if they let him walk the team would cough up TWO 1st rd picks for him
The Giants should have begged someone to do this
Of course there was absolutely zero risk to letting him him test market
It’s absolutely inexcusable that they signed him to 4/160 and tagged Saquon
Fact of the matter is this regime has still won more playoff games than half of the NFL since they’ve been here.
So, are you suggesting this regime is on solid ground and can absorb another down year?
Fact of the matter is this regime has still won more playoff games than half of the NFL since they’ve been here.
Bingo.
Am I the only one seeing this?
Schoen and Dabs may have wanted to sign Jones but it was Mara That the Jones agents were effectively betting on to cave for their demands. Mara was the one who loved Jones and I am would bet that he ultimately was the one who met the agent demands.
So yes, Dabs and Schoen wanted Jones but not at the price paid, that is on Mara.
It sets a floor for a comp. Mediocre QBs who have better production than Jones will use the contract as a starting point. It would almost be insulting to pay a guy like Trevor Lawrence less than Jones.
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All these talking heads and unnamed sources love to shit on the Giants any chance they get. It’s what happens when you suck. People can’t wait to voice their opinion and say “I told you so” or “i knew they’d be wrong”
Fact of the matter is this regime has still won more playoff games than half of the NFL since they’ve been here.
Bingo.
Bingo?
They've won one playoff game in the last 13 years and only appeared in the playoffs 2 of those last 13 years. I don't think that makes many fans yell bingo.
Schoen was even complimented for the exit ramp after 2024.
It's been a fucking disaster since, but this does feel like piling on. Where is the anger towards the sexual predator with a fully guaranteed deal? I get he was more productive, but come on.
QBs got overpaid before and they'll get overpaid after. The league will survive off a 2 year $82M guaranteed deal for Jones.
It is a bad contract, but luckily they can get out of it after this year.
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Sending Jones out to the market to find a better deal. There wasn’t one out there.
I understand your point here, BUT if there's a team like the Browns that would sign the Watson contract and a team like the falcons to do the cousins contract, there's definitely a team out there that would have paid DJ(a playoff winning mobile QB /s). And while right now that seems like it would have been best, at the time we were coming off our first playoff victory in close to a decade, the stadium was filled with chants for DJ and finding a QB to 'take the team to the next level' was, I'm sure, not an easy task. If you think letting him walk and drafting a QB wouldn't have driven at least half the fan base wild I think you're off. We were drafting later, our subsequent OL would have destroyed any rookie and the HC and GM would have been MORE crucified.
IMO "the negotiator" is a fraud. To suggest Jones drove up the QB market for the super QB's is beyond silly.
With that said imo your read of if DJ were to not have been signed and the fan reaction is way overstated. In this instance it was also obvious of his health. They had an out.
And since when is it god for ANY business to make ignorant decisions based on its fan base reaction? If that is their thinking then the truly are completely ignorant.
Everyone knew that the QB class coming up was strong. They couldn't let this type of info along with the injury concerns "leak?" All for one playoff win and then all the humiliation they had vs teams like Philly and Dallas?
And while you are right that 2022 should be applauded but its so sad for fans such as yourself. The Giants have been so awful other than teh 1 year that you are content with being "half-better" becasue of one win despite the very next game a total embarrassment. I find it pretty pathetic. The goal shouldn't be to be content with being better than the other half. We should strive to be better than much much more than half.
Schoen was even complimented for the exit ramp after 2024.
It's been a fucking disaster since, but this does feel like piling on. Where is the anger towards the sexual predator with a fully guaranteed deal? I get he was more productive, but come on.
QBs got overpaid before and they'll get overpaid after. The league will survive off a 2 year $82M guaranteed deal for Jones.
You are right, most folks on BBI were fine with the contract. You and I were decidedly more pessimistic. The delusional point of view that this management group knows best is hopefully blown to oblivion now...
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There are plenty of posters here who’ve been right on this all along, and I give them full credit to sticking to their guns about Jones, even when many (including me early on) defended the QB and the contract
Spare me these Johnny-come-lately big mouths. Especially the anonymous ones
My biggest issue with Schoen/Daboll is doubling down on Jones again in 2024. When Jones was signed, I felt he was a package deal with Barkley. Letting Barkley go and committing to Jones I always felt would be a disaster for the offense. Through one game, it's even worse than I thought.
Schoen is not a cutthroat general manager. Seeing all the angst he had on HK was troubling. Jones needs all the help he can get. He should have franchised Barkley again. Jones without Barkley is a disaster.
Barkley was always more responsible for 2022 than Jones was. The players knew it too.
And everyone crying about anonymous quotes, that's how journalism works. Unless you just don't want people to ever talk besides platitudes.
For the millionth time, his biggest mistake was not giving the 5th year option. EVERYTHING else is downstream of that. Everything.
My biggest issue with Schoen/Daboll is doubling down on Jones again in 2024. When Jones was signed, I felt he was a package deal with Barkley. Letting Barkley go and committing to Jones I always felt would be a disaster for the offense. Through one game, it's even worse than I thought.
Schoen is not a cutthroat general manager. Seeing all the angst he had on HK was troubling. Jones needs all the help he can get. He should have franchised Barkley again. Jones without Barkley is a disaster. Your point about the players in the locker room is arguably the biggest part of the problem. Paying
Barkley was always more responsible for 2022 than Jones was. The players knew it too.
Very true. The Barkley mistake was drafting him. But once he was here, he was a valuable asset for this franchise. No question he was the primary driver of the 2022 success. As this plays out in the coming months, the HardKnocks time capsule will unfortunately be merciless on Schoen's reputation.
As to DJ, I find myself thinking that even I may have been optimistic in thinking his comps are Darnold, Trubisky and Mariota. Assuming he continues to perform as he did on Sunday, it may ultimately be that this group is his ceiling. He is probably more accurately in the Osweiler and Glennon comp group. Which makes the fact that he is the sixth highest cap hit this year beyond belief.
And you are right - the biggest problem with all of this is how it is playing out in the locker room.