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Giant Insider: More to Kayvon/Ranaan interaction than we saw

gmen9892 : 9/12/2024 3:27 pm
Jerry and Chris from TGI joined New York Revival the other night and, as usual, Chris had some interesting information about Kayvon’s tiff with Ranaan.

Apparently there was more that went on afterwards and this is the 2nd time Kayvon has gotten into it with a media member in the last few weeks.

I’m not a big Ranaan guy, but KT seems very much at fault here and it’s troubling to hear all of this, this early in the season from someone that’s supposed to be media saavy and one of the leaders in the locker room.

Fast forward to 25:20 mark to here the story.
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None of this is surprising  
Go Terps : 9/12/2024 3:28 pm : link
If they're smart they'll trade him during the season.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/12/2024 3:29 pm : link
He’s gotten more into with media members lately than he did the Vikes OL.
Who was it that stuffed  
section125 : 9/12/2024 3:33 pm : link
Ranaan into a locker?

Seems Ranaan has a habit of being an irritant.

But yes, Thibs needs to show up on Sundays on the field, not the locker room.
RE: Who was it that stuffed  
Biteymax22 : 9/12/2024 3:38 pm : link
In comment 16606881 section125 said:
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Ranaan into a locker?

Seems Ranaan has a habit of being an irritant.

But yes, Thibs needs to show up on Sundays on the field, not the locker room.


Ereck Flowers, it was the only person he got a clean block on his entire time as a Giant.
RE: None of this is surprising  
jvm52106 : 9/12/2024 3:43 pm : link
In comment 16606877 Go Terps said:
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If they're smart they'll trade him during the season.


I am actually on board with you here. KT is a tease- shines here and there but seems more "thought" than "play" and is more "self focused" than I want my edge guy to be. If we want a QB in 2025 draft, KT is a guy who could fetch us a higher pick than some think (now) and it would be worth being thin outside this year to get our QB next offseason.
If a new administration comes  
JoeyBigBlue : 9/12/2024 3:43 pm : link
And Thibs has a terrible season, you can bet they will be looking to offload him.
Rule #1 in these postgame interviews -  
Section331 : 9/12/2024 3:46 pm : link
simply say, “I didn’t play well enough, we didn’t play well enough, we all have to play better” and move on. You’re never going to win these battles because reporters will always have the last word.
RE: Who was it that stuffed  
Tom in NY : 9/12/2024 3:48 pm : link
In comment 16606881 section125 said:
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Ranaan into a locker?

Seems Ranaan has a habit of being an irritant.

But yes, Thibs needs to show up on Sundays on the field, not the locker room.


I am not defending Ranaan on the whole, but I listened to the post game WFAN show on Sunday and heard the interaction between them. Ranaan was asking, professionally, about what happened on the field and why KT was unable to deliver more results. KT was rude and then dismissive of Ranaan's question. When Ranaan asked "is there a problem with that question," KT asked if any other reporter had a question....basically telling Ranaan to go stick it.

If you want to play in the big boy market, answering questions is part of it. Grow up, show up, and/or shut up time for KT.
RE: If a new administration comes  
widmerseyebrow : 9/12/2024 3:48 pm : link
In comment 16606893 JoeyBigBlue said:
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And Thibs has a terrible season, you can bet they will be looking to offload him.


They should be looking to offload him while he still has value. He's not well rounded and may never be but he's a useful player. i.e. not a cornerstone. We need as many assets as possible to potentially move up to get a QB.
Can’t wait til he’s a former Giant.  
bceagle05 : 9/12/2024 3:48 pm : link
Talks like Strahan, plays like Damontre Moore.
Another unlikable player on this roster  
The_Boss : 9/12/2024 3:50 pm : link
This trade deadline should be a Florida Marlin-like fire sale.
RE: Rule #1 in these postgame interviews -  
Tom in NY : 9/12/2024 3:50 pm : link
In comment 16606898 Section331 said:
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simply say, “I didn’t play well enough, we didn’t play well enough, we all have to play better” and move on. You’re never going to win these battles because reporters will always have the last word.


^^^^ THIS ^^^^

It's Rule #1 when dealing with the media....and Rule #2 is refer to Rule #1 whenever you're confused about what to say.
RE: None of this is surprising  
santacruzom : 9/12/2024 4:04 pm : link
In comment 16606877 Go Terps said:
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If they're smart they'll trade him during the season.


Well, that definitely means they won't be trading him during the season.
RE: None of this is surprising  
M.S. : 9/12/2024 4:10 pm : link
In comment 16606877 Go Terps said:
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If they're smart they'll trade him during the season.

So long as that’s part of the tear-down… great!

What will Thibs fetch: a low 4th / high 5th?
RE: RE: None of this is surprising  
ThomasG : 9/12/2024 4:11 pm : link
In comment 16606933 santacruzom said:
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In comment 16606877 Go Terps said:


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If they're smart they'll trade him during the season.



Well, that definitely means they won't be trading him during the season.


Schoen will decline his option, give him a prove it year and then pay him a DJ-type contract. And then he will go back in decline.

But Eric in Li will say it’s a B+/A deal.
KT outside of when he plays Washington has done very  
kelly : 9/12/2024 4:15 pm : link
little.

The same was true in college where he played well when up against lower level competition.

Once again another player who never earned his starting position.
Unless Neal and Thibs turn this around  
Mike from Ohio : 9/12/2024 4:25 pm : link
Schoen's career as a GM will be a short one. You can't be handed two top 10 picks in your first year and not get a solid starter out of either of them, all while you can't figure out how to do more than want a QB.
I heard he tried  
mfjmfj : 9/12/2024 4:31 pm : link
to get around Ranaan but kept getting stonewalled. Burns tried to help out but was not able to .
.  
Go Terps : 9/12/2024 4:35 pm : link
Those if us that wanted to draft Willis in the first round that year take a lot of crap, but I bet most fans would now trade Thibodeaux to not have paid Jones that contract.
RE: RE: Rule #1 in these postgame interviews -  
Milton : 9/12/2024 4:38 pm : link
In comment 16606909 Tom in NY said:
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In comment 16606898 Section331 said:


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simply say, “I didn’t play well enough, we didn’t play well enough, we all have to play better” and move on. You’re never going to win these battles because reporters will always have the last word.



^^^^ THIS ^^^^

It's Rule #1 when dealing with the media....and Rule #2 is refer to Rule #1 whenever you're confused about what to say.
What was the movie with two guys sitting on a couch and one says, "Rule #1: there are no rules."
His buddy puts his feet up on the coffee table and so he says, "Rule #2: no feet on the coffee table."
RE: RE: Who was it that stuffed  
Blueworm : 9/12/2024 4:44 pm : link
In comment 16606905 Tom in NY said:
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In comment 16606881 section125 said:


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Ranaan into a locker?

Seems Ranaan has a habit of being an irritant.

But yes, Thibs needs to show up on Sundays on the field, not the locker room.



I am not defending Ranaan on the whole, but I listened to the post game WFAN show on Sunday and heard the interaction between them. Ranaan was asking, professionally, about what happened on the field and why KT was unable to deliver more results. KT was rude and then dismissive of Ranaan's question. When Ranaan asked "is there a problem with that question," KT asked if any other reporter had a question....basically telling Ranaan to go stick it.

If you want to play in the big boy market, answering questions is part of it. Grow up, show up, and/or shut up time for KT.


Nit a great look for someone talking about being a superstar before he got here.
Thibs thinks he is special and he isn't even close.  
ThomasG : 9/12/2024 5:00 pm : link
11 or so sacks last year feeding some silly ego that he delivers? While more than half of them came in 3 games versus WFT and Jets, two teams that had almost as bad OLs as we did. Hard to even remember the other half because they probably were meaningless as well.


I have said this before  
SomeFan : 9/12/2024 5:08 pm : link
Thibs strikes me as a guy too focused on his life's work after football than on his current football life.
I’m disappointed  
mittenedman : 9/12/2024 5:16 pm : link
in Thibs. As mentioned he’s supposed to be a vocal leader and alpha player in this team and he’s basically a zero.

Remember Wink calling him out last year.
Well if he tackled Ranaan  
56goat : 9/12/2024 5:17 pm : link
it would be his first tackle this season.
RE: Well if he tackled Ranaan  
ThomasG : 9/12/2024 5:27 pm : link
In comment 16607035 56goat said:
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it would be his first tackle this season.


lol
Ranaan looks and acts like a dick…  
DeVito32 : 9/12/2024 6:53 pm : link
But Thibs is 100% wrong in this case. You can tell from other interviews Ranaan is annoying with stupid questions so this could be brewing from other interviews.

But everyone is right by saying all he had to do is just say I need to play better. The defense needs to play better. Getting baited by a media member only makes the player look bad.

NY isn't for everybody  
Sy'56 : 9/12/2024 7:06 pm : link
But Ranaan's reputation is warranted...
In defense of Kayvon  
JoeyBigBlue : 9/12/2024 7:16 pm : link
He’s still only 23 years old and probably has some maturing to do. Dex didn’t really start playing at an elite level until year 4, so there’s time for Kayvon. Let’s let him finish the season before we offload him.
yikes  
mittenedman : 9/12/2024 7:57 pm : link
RE: In defense of Kayvon  
NJLCO : 9/12/2024 8:03 pm : link
In comment 16607138 JoeyBigBlue said:
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He’s still only 23 years old and probably has some maturing to do. Dex didn’t really start playing at an elite level until year 4, so there’s time for Kayvon. Let’s let him finish the season before we offload him.

Another let’s wait and a hope and pray. No way
RE: In defense of Kayvon  
Matt M. : 9/12/2024 8:14 pm : link
In comment 16607138 JoeyBigBlue said:
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He’s still only 23 years old and probably has some maturing to do. Dex didn’t really start playing at an elite level until year 4, so there’s time for Kayvon. Let’s let him finish the season before we offload him.
Dex was playing out of position to start his career.
RE: RE: In defense of Kayvon  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/12/2024 8:17 pm : link
In comment 16607176 NJLCO said:
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In comment 16607138 JoeyBigBlue said:


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He’s still only 23 years old and probably has some maturing to do. Dex didn’t really start playing at an elite level until year 4, so there’s time for Kayvon. Let’s let him finish the season before we offload him.


Another let’s wait and a hope and pray. No way


Thats silly. You dont have to "wait and hope". Hes already had big games, and he had a good season last year.
RE: I have said this before  
Blueworm : 9/12/2024 8:26 pm : link
In comment 16607021 SomeFan said:
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Thibs strikes me as a guy too focused on his life's work after football than on his current football life.

Well he's not making connections that way.
RE: RE: RE: In defense of Kayvon  
ThomasG : 9/12/2024 8:34 pm : link
In comment 16607188 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 16607176 NJLCO said:


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In comment 16607138 JoeyBigBlue said:


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He’s still only 23 years old and probably has some maturing to do. Dex didn’t really start playing at an elite level until year 4, so there’s time for Kayvon. Let’s let him finish the season before we offload him.


Another let’s wait and a hope and pray. No way



Thats silly. You dont have to "wait and hope". Hes already had big games, and he had a good season last year.


What would you say to those pass rush win rate stats?
He has little to no trade value  
arniefez : 9/12/2024 8:54 pm : link
the Giants would be lucky to get a 6th round pick for him
Good thing Banks, Strahan, LT etc  
FranknWeezer : 9/12/2024 9:27 pm : link
invested their own personal time in trying to guide KT this offseason. Ticks me off they spent any energy on him and that the team put him front and center on all this 100th season stuff.
RE: None of this is surprising  
BigBlueinDE : 9/12/2024 10:41 pm : link
In comment 16606877 Go Terps said:
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If they're smart they'll trade him during the season.


+1. To add, I'd consider putting a few more on the block. This team is becoming quite unlikeable in addition to being a bad team.
RE: KT outside of when he plays Washington has done very  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/13/2024 12:29 pm : link
In comment 16606949 kelly said:
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little.

The same was true in college where he played well when up against lower level competition.

Once again another player who never earned his starting position.

In your opinion, what does it mean to earn one's starting position?

The reality is, on a crappy roster, it's a pretty low bar for a rookie or young player to quickly demonstrate that they're the best option to start. Are you suggesting that young players should potentially be intentionally held down on the depth chart until they earn a role against a higher standard than just being the best at his position on the current roster? Who would you start while you're developing that rookie (or young player)?

Would you start a lesser player (usually a stopgap/journeyman type) to prioritize the development of the younger player and ensure that they don't ascend to a starting role until they reach the level of play that merits it, even if that means that the player you're starting as the stopgap is also beneath that starter level that you've defined (and may, in practical terms, be at a lesser level than the young prospect)?

It's easy to criticize the practice of playing young players before they've earned their role, but I'm curious how you'd actually address that as a flawed practice, particularly on a roster that lacks talent at key spots to begin with.
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