impressive defensive effort by buffalo. they playing without their best corner and mlb. imagine nyg against miami on road without okereke and banks doing this. we cant even stop sam freaking darnold.
Like many of the other rookie contract extensions, Tua's contract is rich, but it's not as ridiculous as the headlines.
He had 22M in guaranteed salary from his 2025 5th year option already, so the Dolphins gave him an additional 110M in full guarantees.
If I'm reading it correctly, the Dolphins can cut him after the 2026 season and paid him 132M for 3 year of play.
that would be after cap #'s of 59m in 2025 and 63m in 2026. it looks like they structured the contract similar to jones' deal hoping he plays well enough to restructure money down the line next year. if hes playing poorly/injured they probably wont want to kick more money forward.
the other factor is in 2027 tyreek is 33 so odds are its tua or bust for him. likely why they went in on tua that big in the first place.
it looks like at least 20m of his 2027 was injury gtd too
He’s had several concussions already and he’s only 26. He’s got a family and the rest of his life to worry about. It’s not about money at this point. It’s his quality of life. Brutal.
He’s had several concussions already and he’s only 26. He’s got a family and the rest of his life to worry about. It’s not about money at this point. It’s his quality of life. Brutal.
Jeez - just watched that - awful. He should not try to come back. These concussions are cumulative. He doesn't need any more.
While a full recovery is the only real focus here, in response to questions regarding Tua Tagovailoa's contract:
The deal includes $167M guaranteed for injury, $43M of which has been paid in 2024.
If he's medically cleared to return to football, but opts to retire, he will forego the remaining $124M guaranteed (barring a custom settlement).
If he's medically forced into retirement, he has a right to collect the $124M remaining.
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Chris Nowinski, Ph.D.
@ChrisNowinski1
Tua suffered a traumatic brain injury on this play, no question. His right arm shows the "fencing posture" indicating loss of consciousness & is on the severe end on the #concussion spectrum. He is done for the night and must miss the next game.
“I’ll be honest, I’d tell him to retire,” Raiders head coach Antonio Pierce said in his Friday news conference. “It’s not worth it. It’s not worth it. Played the game, I haven’t witnessed anything like I’ve seen that’s happened to him three times. Scary. You can see right away, the players’ faces on the field. You can see the sense of urgency to get Tua help.
While a full recovery is the only real focus here, in response to questions regarding Tua Tagovailoa's contract:
The deal includes $167M guaranteed for injury, $43M of which has been paid in 2024.
If he's medically cleared to return to football, but opts to retire, he will forego the remaining $124M guaranteed (barring a custom settlement).
If he's medically forced into retirement, he has a right to collect the $124M remaining.
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While that statement is literally true, it is perhaps misleading as to the way things may play out.
We've been through this with Jones. The standard for the right to collect on an injury guarantee depends on whether the player can pass a physical as of time the club wants to release him, not whether the injury is such as to require retirement.
If Tua can't pass a physical in March 2025, he gets the contract guarantees that trigger at that time, whether or not he retires.
if he can pass the physical but they cut him over an injury, like not being able to RTP because he still suffers from symptoms associated with concussions when he tries to return, im pretty sure he can file an injury grievance to collect the injury guarantee just as logan ryan did (and won).
there would be some element of the independent dr involved in whether or not he plays again (not him and not the team or their physicals).
RE: shyster what if he cant pass the RTP protocol?
if he can pass the physical but they cut him over an injury, like not being able to RTP because he still suffers from symptoms associated with concussions when he tries to return, im pretty sure he can file an injury grievance to collect the injury guarantee just as logan ryan did (and won).
there would be some element of the independent dr involved in whether or not he plays again (not him and not the team or their physicals).
If he can't pass the return-to-participate protocol, then he's not passing the physical.
It's not the case that the pertinent physical is solely the team's determination.
I just want to thank you for your postings on BBI the last few years. I always make a point to focus on your comments. No position on this Tua thing but wanted to write that.
CBA Article 39 Players' Rights to Medical Care and Treatment
Section 6. Player’s Right to a Second Medical Opinion: A player will have the opportunity to obtain a second medical opinion. As a condition of the Club’s responsibility . . . the Club physician must be furnished promptly with a report concerning the diagnosis, examination and course of treatment recommended by the other physician. A player shall have the right to follow the reasonable medical advice given to him by his second
opinion physician with respect to diagnosis of injury, surgical and treatment decisions, and rehabilitation and treatment protocol, but only after consulting with the Club physician and giving due consideration to his recommendations.
This provision applies to all injuries, not just concussion.
A team is not entitled to make the decision that a player is medically cleared to play solely on the basis of its own physician's determination.
I just want to thank you for your postings on BBI the last few years. I always make a point to focus on your comments. No position on this Tua thing but wanted to write that.
just went looking for the thread figuring there'd be a good reply and here it is. ty Shyster.
i know this is several steps farther down the road, but with head injuries and obviously tua's specific situation given that the league drs already made a mistake once with him and he's now in the realm of multiple tbis, it seems for him to decide he doesnt want to play any more bc of the risk (obviously fairly) if he were to continue to self report symptoms that would make the physical essentially meaningless?
if he says he still has occasional dizziness and headaches, which im sure almost all former nfl players could honestly report having, but especially those who've suffered multiple tbis, i assume he will get his injury gtd money?
if he pushes to come back im not sure if it will be more courageous or reckless but definitely a mix of both.
just went looking for the thread figuring there'd be a good reply and here it is. ty Shyster.
i know this is several steps farther down the road, but with head injuries and obviously tua's specific situation given that the league drs already made a mistake once with him and he's now in the realm of multiple tbis, it seems for him to decide he doesnt want to play any more bc of the risk (obviously fairly) if he were to continue to self report symptoms that would make the physical essentially meaningless?
if he says he still has occasional dizziness and headaches, which im sure almost all former nfl players could honestly report having, but especially those who've suffered multiple tbis, i assume he will get his injury gtd money?
if he pushes to come back im not sure if it will be more courageous or reckless but definitely a mix of both.
The provisions of the CBA set up the possibility of disagreement between a player's physician and the team's. And that means the possibility of arbitration.
It might be difficult for the Dolphins to take an opposing stance, as a matter of public relations, but (a) it's a lot of money and, again (b) Tua's decision to take his physician's advice and not return to play wouldn't be binding upon him to retire permanently.
just went looking for the thread figuring there'd be a good reply and here it is. ty Shyster.
i know this is several steps farther down the road, but with head injuries and obviously tua's specific situation given that the league drs already made a mistake once with him and he's now in the realm of multiple tbis, it seems for him to decide he doesnt want to play any more bc of the risk (obviously fairly) if he were to continue to self report symptoms that would make the physical essentially meaningless?
if he says he still has occasional dizziness and headaches, which im sure almost all former nfl players could honestly report having, but especially those who've suffered multiple tbis, i assume he will get his injury gtd money?
if he pushes to come back im not sure if it will be more courageous or reckless but definitely a mix of both.
The provisions of the CBA set up the possibility of disagreement between a player's physician and the team's. And that means the possibility of arbitration.
It might be difficult for the Dolphins to take an opposing stance, as a matter of public relations, but (a) it's a lot of money and, again (b) Tua's decision to take his physician's advice and not return to play wouldn't be binding upon him to retire permanently.
i see the situation setting up exactly the way you describe, except i think the pr side goes beyond the dolphins to the whole league. how can the NFL as an org invested in "player safety" possibly get into disputing a player's dr in a case like this? and with tua of all people since they already made the mistake with him once?
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One of most improved QB's in the NFL. He now seems like he has full command of the offense and really makes quick, decisive throws.
This didn’t age well. Still half a game left though.
to be fair, one INT bounced off of a player’s chest, and the other INT was because the WR ran the wrong route.
Ummm, never mind..
Anyone defending Tua’s contract is insane.
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One of most improved QB's in the NFL. He now seems like he has full command of the offense and really makes quick, decisive throws.
Ummm, never mind..
Buffalo owns Miami like Jones owns Washington... ;)
Anyone defending Tua’s contract is insane.
It was a horrific contract.
Knee to the chin, it looked like.
nope. hopefully just stinger but looked more awkward.
Is that concussion territory again?
Knee to the chin, it looked like.
Yep, that was not a good look.
Yep - thought he got kneed when down.
Yeah, you saw that too then..
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Looked like he seized up in his hand/arm
Yeah, you saw that too then..
That was the scary part of it all
wasnt even a hit really. he was more just standing there and tua ran into him.
Tua needs to retire for obvious reasons.
He had 22M in guaranteed salary from his 2025 5th year option already, so the Dolphins gave him an additional 110M in full guarantees.
If I'm reading it correctly, the Dolphins can cut him after the 2026 season and paid him 132M for 3 year of play.
He had 22M in guaranteed salary from his 2025 5th year option already, so the Dolphins gave him an additional 110M in full guarantees.
If I'm reading it correctly, the Dolphins can cut him after the 2026 season and paid him 132M for 3 year of play.
that would be after cap #'s of 59m in 2025 and 63m in 2026. it looks like they structured the contract similar to jones' deal hoping he plays well enough to restructure money down the line next year. if hes playing poorly/injured they probably wont want to kick more money forward.
the other factor is in 2027 tyreek is 33 so odds are its tua or bust for him. likely why they went in on tua that big in the first place.
@ProFootballDoc
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Given past history:
Bad news: easily could be multi-week
Good news: career hopefully not over
Jeez - just watched that - awful. He should not try to come back. These concussions are cumulative. He doesn't need any more.
No kidding. I don't want to see anymore stories about these guys descending into hell as they age and hurting themselves and others for a game.
There is damage already done and it gets more and more likely more will be done as he continues to play. Get out now and live a good life.
@spotrac
While a full recovery is the only real focus here, in response to questions regarding Tua Tagovailoa's contract:
The deal includes $167M guaranteed for injury, $43M of which has been paid in 2024.
If he's medically cleared to return to football, but opts to retire, he will forego the remaining $124M guaranteed (barring a custom settlement).
If he's medically forced into retirement, he has a right to collect the $124M remaining.
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@ChrisNowinski1
Tua suffered a traumatic brain injury on this play, no question. His right arm shows the "fencing posture" indicating loss of consciousness & is on the severe end on the #concussion spectrum. He is done for the night and must miss the next game.
not all that familiar with Nowinski but he is a major CTE activist.
Miami Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa Stands to Make $124 Million If He’s Never Allowed to Play Football Again — Due to His Third Concussion - ( New Window )
“I just think that at some point, he’s going to live longer than he’s going to play football. Take care of your family.”
Antonio Pierce: I would tell Tua Tagovailoa to retire - ( New Window )
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Spotrac
@spotrac
While a full recovery is the only real focus here, in response to questions regarding Tua Tagovailoa's contract:
The deal includes $167M guaranteed for injury, $43M of which has been paid in 2024.
If he's medically cleared to return to football, but opts to retire, he will forego the remaining $124M guaranteed (barring a custom settlement).
If he's medically forced into retirement, he has a right to collect the $124M remaining.
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While that statement is literally true, it is perhaps misleading as to the way things may play out.
We've been through this with Jones. The standard for the right to collect on an injury guarantee depends on whether the player can pass a physical as of time the club wants to release him, not whether the injury is such as to require retirement.
If Tua can't pass a physical in March 2025, he gets the contract guarantees that trigger at that time, whether or not he retires.
there would be some element of the independent dr involved in whether or not he plays again (not him and not the team or their physicals).
there would be some element of the independent dr involved in whether or not he plays again (not him and not the team or their physicals).
If he can't pass the return-to-participate protocol, then he's not passing the physical.
It's not the case that the pertinent physical is solely the team's determination.
I'll consult the CBI for the relevant provisions.
opinion physician with respect to diagnosis of injury, surgical and treatment decisions, and rehabilitation and treatment protocol, but only after consulting with the Club physician and giving due consideration to his recommendations.
This provision applies to all injuries, not just concussion.
A team is not entitled to make the decision that a player is medically cleared to play solely on the basis of its own physician's determination.
cba - ( New Window )
Thank you cosmicj, appreciate the comment.
i know this is several steps farther down the road, but with head injuries and obviously tua's specific situation given that the league drs already made a mistake once with him and he's now in the realm of multiple tbis, it seems for him to decide he doesnt want to play any more bc of the risk (obviously fairly) if he were to continue to self report symptoms that would make the physical essentially meaningless?
if he says he still has occasional dizziness and headaches, which im sure almost all former nfl players could honestly report having, but especially those who've suffered multiple tbis, i assume he will get his injury gtd money?
if he pushes to come back im not sure if it will be more courageous or reckless but definitely a mix of both.
i know this is several steps farther down the road, but with head injuries and obviously tua's specific situation given that the league drs already made a mistake once with him and he's now in the realm of multiple tbis, it seems for him to decide he doesnt want to play any more bc of the risk (obviously fairly) if he were to continue to self report symptoms that would make the physical essentially meaningless?
if he says he still has occasional dizziness and headaches, which im sure almost all former nfl players could honestly report having, but especially those who've suffered multiple tbis, i assume he will get his injury gtd money?
if he pushes to come back im not sure if it will be more courageous or reckless but definitely a mix of both.
The provisions of the CBA set up the possibility of disagreement between a player's physician and the team's. And that means the possibility of arbitration.
It might be difficult for the Dolphins to take an opposing stance, as a matter of public relations, but (a) it's a lot of money and, again (b) Tua's decision to take his physician's advice and not return to play wouldn't be binding upon him to retire permanently.
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just went looking for the thread figuring there'd be a good reply and here it is. ty Shyster.
i know this is several steps farther down the road, but with head injuries and obviously tua's specific situation given that the league drs already made a mistake once with him and he's now in the realm of multiple tbis, it seems for him to decide he doesnt want to play any more bc of the risk (obviously fairly) if he were to continue to self report symptoms that would make the physical essentially meaningless?
if he says he still has occasional dizziness and headaches, which im sure almost all former nfl players could honestly report having, but especially those who've suffered multiple tbis, i assume he will get his injury gtd money?
if he pushes to come back im not sure if it will be more courageous or reckless but definitely a mix of both.
The provisions of the CBA set up the possibility of disagreement between a player's physician and the team's. And that means the possibility of arbitration.
It might be difficult for the Dolphins to take an opposing stance, as a matter of public relations, but (a) it's a lot of money and, again (b) Tua's decision to take his physician's advice and not return to play wouldn't be binding upon him to retire permanently.
i see the situation setting up exactly the way you describe, except i think the pr side goes beyond the dolphins to the whole league. how can the NFL as an org invested in "player safety" possibly get into disputing a player's dr in a case like this? and with tua of all people since they already made the mistake with him once?