How is there not a MALIK WILLIS thread???

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How long will it take for Miami to dump him realizing he isn’t the man to lead them to the Promised Land?

Many on here stated their opinions on upgrading at least the back up QB position pre roster cut down day. The Giants could’ve made a move BUT chose to make their bed with the current trio. IF Willis has a great game, some posters on BBI will have more ammo to go at this front office; others will call it a fluke and others will simply not care. I am one of those that’s in the don’t care group. If Willis has a good to great game good for the Packers. That does not mean he would come to the Giants organization and play well.

I’ll watch the one game I’ve consistently watched and that’s my New York Giants game. Here’s hoping for DJ to have 4 TD 300 yrd game. If not let’s go with Lock and/or Devito. We can only cook with what’s in the fridge. Go Blue.

If you could go back would you draft Willis over either Thibodeaux or Neal? Yeah it would have been a miss, but I'm pretty sure our two guys are as well.

And we wouldn't have paid Jones.

He was appropriately drafted in the third round.
I thought Neal was a good pick at number 7. I was wrong.
I never liked Thibs predraft. He disappeared against good competition at Oregon as he does now with the Giants.

That 2022 QB class was bad. You could see them struggling during Senior Bowl week of practices.

In comment 16607745 Rick in Dallas said:

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He was appropriately drafted in the third round. I thought Neal was a good pick at number 7. I was wrong. I never liked Thibs predraft. He disappeared against good competition at Oregon as he does now with the Giants. That 2022 QB class was bad. You could see them struggling during Senior Bowl week of practices.

I get that, but would you trade one of Thibodeaux or Neal to not have paid Jones?

I thought they were getting points.

an interesting match-up, they are almost carbon copies of each other.

He should have been tagged imv Terps. It wasn’t until 2021 when I gave up on Jones.
This better be his last year. This QB room is embarrassing.

for that draft. I thought he was a later rounder and most of the posters who I think understand the position thought the same. Using pick 5 or 7 was foolish and the entire NFL felt the same way. To his credit he seems like a good teammate and is still sticking around so maybe it clicks at some point.

In comment 16607750 Section331 said:

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I thought they were getting points.

You are right. It's +2.5. That's what I get for starting idiotic threads on my phone...

but I don't think anyone believes that was the best environment for developing a young QB from a non-power five conference.

Green Bay, on the other hand, is a different story with LaFleur and a guy like Clements (QB coach). It took them a while with Love, but it looks like they got it right after a few years where he looked awful.

Candidly, I'm surprised they are even playing Willis. I don't think he's close to being ready. He's been there a little over a week. I thought Clifford made more sense since he's played. Or even signing Tannehill.

And there are rumors out there that Love might actually be ready to go...

Although both of them have really small sample sizes, I don't think both players are comparable to each other so far.

Richardson is a very promising QB, with 5 starts, 10TD, 3 turnovers, 2-3 W-L record and his team scored at least 21 points in every start.

Willis has 3 starts, 0 TD passes, 1 TD run and 6 turnovers. Never passed for 100 yards in a game and never scored more than 17 points. It also doesn't help that the first NFL game I got to go in my life I had to see this dude get sacked in a hail mary attempt to end the game.

Silly to even argue it.

Thibodeaux and Neal were unanimous top 5 selections.

Willis a day 3 pick at best and even then, I'd rather take a stab at Howell.

In comment 16607746 Go Terps said:

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In comment 16607745 Rick in Dallas said: Quote: He was appropriately drafted in the third round. I thought Neal was a good pick at number 7. I was wrong. I never liked Thibs predraft. He disappeared against good competition at Oregon as he does now with the Giants. That 2022 QB class was bad. You could see them struggling during Senior Bowl week of practices. I get that, but would you trade one of Thibodeaux or Neal to not have paid Jones?

That logic is, well, illogical

To evaluate QBs. He probably doesn’t pan out, but I would rather give him a shot than watch the same garbage from Jones on his 64th start in the NFL.

Try this hypothetical on for size.

The Giants draft Willis at 5, and Thibs at 7. Willis sits behind Jones in 2022, and the Giants franchise Jones after the 2022 season.

As has been displayed in great detail on BBI, the ramifications of franchising Jones essentially mean signing Barkley and not signing Parris Campbell.

The Giants go into the 2023 season, Jones gets hurt and Willis plays badly.

Because the Giants have already signed Barkley, and because they've committed 50M fewer in guarantees, they can afford to keep McKinney and A'shawn Robinson.

On opening day 2024 the roster differences are

1) Third year Willis instead of 6th year Jones
2) Barkley is entering the last guaranteed year of his contract
3) McKinney is a Giant
4) Robinson is a Giant
5) Evan Neal is not a Giant

Are the Giants better off in this scenario?

What needed to happen was Jones being traded that offseason. If NYG would have had the same season with Willis as backup, does anyone honestly think they wouldn't have signed Jones?

The error was Schoen didn't pick a clear lane:

1. Trade Jones prior to the 2022 season.
2. Pick up Jones 5th year option.

Either give Jones a longer trial period or cut bait.

Trading Jones and drafting Willis would have been the better outcome.

nobody would have traded anything meaningful for Jones then, now, or ever.

My guess is Daboll would have known Willis was very much not ready to start, and the Giants would have kept Jones after 2022. But no way do they invest 80M in guarantees.

In comment 16608435 The Jake said:

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nobody would have traded anything meaningful for Jones then, now, or ever.

I disagree. A good comp is the Browns Bills trade for Tyrod Taylor after the 2017 playoff season. The Browns gave up the 65th pick in the draft.

I believe if the Giants franchised Jones, a team like the Panthers would have traded a 3rd or 4th round pick and arranged a cheaper extension for Jones.

Jones and TT are comparable players.

they’re not. TT had potential as a starter. Jones had potential as a high school gym coach.

In comment 16608446 The Jake said:

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Jones and TT are comparable players. they’re not. TT had potential as a starter. Jones had potential as a high school gym coach.

Jones has a better season in 2022 than Taylor did in 2017. Taylor was benched mid season for a game, for the immortal Nate Peterman.

as OL coach, that alone probably doomed most of those rookie OL picks.

In comment 16608450 christian said:

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Jones has a better season in 2022 than Taylor did in 2017. Taylor was benched mid season for a game, for the immortal Nate Peterman.

So what? 1 fluke season does not a QB make. Jones' 2022 might have been slightly better than TT's 2017, but TT also had 2 solid years before that, including making the Pro Bowl in 2015. He had real NFL starter potential at one point.

Prior to the 2022 fluke/miracle, Jones hadn't played a solid year of QB in his entire life, at any level of the sport. And don't waste my time telling me that Jones' rookie year was a good year. He was 3-9 as a starter that year. In three years as a starter in THE ACC - shitty competition - before that, he was a combined 17-19 in 36 college games, including a remarkably shitty junior year, and he wasn't even ranked by rivals.com coming out of high school!

I feel like I am taking crazy pills having to make this argument, but please don't give the DJFC fodder or false hope by saying that 2022 was any kind of accomplishment. We won games DESPITE him that year, not because of him.

12/14 (86%), 122 yards, 8.7 YPA 1 TD/0 INTs.

6 rushes/41 yards.

Not a bad day at all for a guy a week into Packer system.

LaFleur can flat-out coach.

He led them to a whopping 16 points, (1 TD,) 122 yards passing, 160 total yards (for him).

Whopdie fucking doo…

In comment 16611462 speedywheels said:

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He led them to a whopping 16 points, (1 TD,) 122 yards passing, 160 total yards (for him). Whopdie fucking doo…

I'm just reporting what happened today.

In comment 16611462 speedywheels said:

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He led them to a whopping 16 points, (1 TD,) 122 yards passing, 160 total yards (for him). Whopdie fucking doo…

By that standard he should get 4/$160M.

In comment 16611462 speedywheels said:

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He led them to a whopping 16 points, (1 TD,) 122 yards passing, 160 total yards (for him). Whopdie fucking doo…

He’s been with the team less than a week. No,his stats won’t jump out, but he didn’t make mistakes and got a win that GB will need to keep pace in a good division. And yes, bw, LaFleur can flat out coach.

an 82.5 QBR, btw.

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Wooo! Party time!

Can he actually recreate it against a real defense?

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In comment 16611595 Go Terps said:

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In comment 16611462 speedywheels said: Quote: He led them to a whopping 16 points, (1 TD,) 122 yards passing, 160 total yards (for him). Whopdie fucking doo… By that standard he should get 4/$160M.

Anything that you need to do to support your insane “He should be a top 5 pick” comment, go for it

In comment 16611827 bw in dc said:

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an 82.5 QBR, btw.

Jones was top 13 in QBR for all of 2022. But as your MO, you’ll completely dismiss the QBR ranking system for that year. Right?!

🙄

In comment 16620647 speedywheels said:

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In comment 16611827 bw in dc said: Quote: an 82.5 QBR, btw. Jones was top 13 in QBR for all of 2022. But as your MO, you’ll completely dismiss the QBR ranking system for that year. Right?! 🙄

Actually, I mentioned it quite often in 2022 and what Jones received QBR wise.

I mentioned he received a 72+ yesterday versus the Browns in another thread.

Willis, btw, received a 92+ yesterday.

BW, this might make you a quarterback guru.

In comment 16620787 christian said:

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BW, this might make you a quarterback guru.

What we are seeing is tremendous coaching by Lafleur and his staff. There a lot of ways to win a football game and they are willing to test different ways to try.

I actually believe Daboll may have this ability, too.

In comment 16611595 Go Terps said:

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In comment 16611462 speedywheels said: Quote: He led them to a whopping 16 points, (1 TD,) 122 yards passing, 160 total yards (for him). Whopdie fucking doo… By that standard he should get 4/$160M.

Haha...great post.

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