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Mara’s backward priorities: Loyalty to Players over Fans

WinterIsComing : 9/13/2024 11:47 am
It’s admirable of course, to want to do right by your players as an owner of an NFL franchise first and foremost. I’m not saying you shouldn’t, you absolutely should, but doing right by a player should not take priority over what is best for the organization and more importantly its fans.

Barkley and Jones are the perfect examples. Barkley should’ve been traded but he was our "most popular player by far" and we should’ve cut bait with Jones years ago but “We've done everything possible to screw this kid up'.

I assume this is a leaned behavior passed down from the Wellington years, which by all accounts is positive and born out of good intentions. However, how many successful NFL organizations actually operate this way? Not many, if it all, as far as I can tell. It’s we as fans who ultimately pay the price.

I don't think this is quite right.  
RHPeel : 9/13/2024 11:59 am : link
Mara is most focused on his paying customers. With respect to Barkley, he was hesitant to lose him because of how popular he was. But popularity and winning do not necessarily correlate.

Mara needs to prioritize winning and assume the rest will follow--players on winning teams become popular, and the paying customers will be fine.
If you are loayl to your players  
section125 : 9/13/2024 12:05 pm : link
you are loyal to the fans...one hand washes the other.
I would say loyal to his personal favorites  
Jerry in_DC : 9/13/2024 12:13 pm : link
It's not all the players. We actually moved on from several Super Bowl winners pretty quickly. And his loyalty includes office people like Gettleman and Abrams (not Reese though). His criteria has nothing to do with competentce. And anyone on the outside gets zero loyalty and he is happy to fire and scapegoat them.
Priorities?  
Bob in VA : 9/13/2024 12:13 pm : link
His priority is making money, not winning games. He's in the entertainment business and will do whatever he feels are smart business decisions.

His out-loud statements, personnel maneuvers, and future planning are all designed to keep you watching. And guess what? It works.

If the fans want him to make different decisions, then they need to stop paying for the product. Money talks.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/13/2024 12:18 pm : link
He’s an incompetent boob who has personal favorites and has utterly ruined this franchise with decision after decision for a decade plus.
Nobody is forcing you to follow this team  
TXRabbit : 9/13/2024 12:20 pm : link
It's a painful truth but it is the truth.

Mara loved Beckham and didn't hide it  
djm : 9/13/2024 1:27 pm : link
he was traded. Mara really loved Barkley and didn't hide it. HE was let go in FA.



Mara has hired the wrong people. That's his weakness. And an even bigger part of that weakness is WHY he doesn't hire certain people.

HE isn't pulling strings or playing favorites. He's hiring the wrong leaders.
a lot of people here screamed from the hilltops  
djm : 9/13/2024 1:31 pm : link
that Joe Schoen was the guy to get. MAra needed to think outside the box, hire people from outside the ORG. Many here said he'd never do that. MAny here BEGGED for these two to brought on board. And now, we have an awful large number of people insisting that Mara forced Schoen's hand. IF they don't say this, they sure as hell imply it on a daily basis.

Maybe Schoen (and Daboll) aren't right for the job? Maybe Mara simply hired the wrong guys.
I wanted Mike McCarthy  
djm : 9/13/2024 1:33 pm : link
but he's ruining Dallas every year and then they go 12-5.

I want a "retread" next time around. Retread is just code word for experienced.
RE: If you are loayl to your players  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/13/2024 1:38 pm : link
In comment 16607773 section125 said:
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you are loyal to the fans...one hand washes the other.

Not if you're loyal to bad players.
RE: Nobody is forcing you to follow this team  
widmerseyebrow : 9/13/2024 1:41 pm : link
In comment 16607817 TXRabbit said:
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It's a painful truth but it is the truth.


No one is forcing you to read and respond to criticisms of the team when the team sucks.
It's a ridiculous way to do business  
ZoneXDOA : 9/13/2024 2:07 pm : link
To constantly cater to the whims of your customers/fans.
When any entertainer (and sports IS entertainment) starts worrying about what the fans want over their own personal values and vision, they are no longer worth our attention. We should be considered but not catered to and certainly not prioritized over any single part of the product. especially when the product is made up of other humans. I get that we live in a world where we as consumers have this unjustified sense of entitlement and that kicking and stomping your feet will get you a free cheeseburger at your local Wendy's but this is a billion dollar organization and for every 1 person who thinks holding on to Barkley and not trading him was a problem there is at least one other that believes we should have done whatever we needed to do in order to keep him. For every one person that just knew DJ was garbage as soon as they heard he came from Duke there is someone who felt the same as Mara in that the kid never had a real evaluation (until this past Sunday...) It would be incredibly stupid to cater to one group at the expense of losing another that may be equal in size. Better to live and die based on your own convictions.
this thread would make a more compelling argument if  
Eric on Li : 9/13/2024 2:09 pm : link
one of the guys he was trying to be loyal to didnt just win NFC player of the week after getting signed by 1 of the best GMs in the business for a price our GM laughed at on camera, after complaining the negotiation where said player was willing to take less than he ultimately signed for took years off his life.
I know not everyone agrees  
Biteymax22 : 9/13/2024 2:11 pm : link
But Mara absolutely had favorites and 100% lets it cloud his judgement on personnel moves.

Adding to this, even his public comments make contract negotiations harder than they need to be. Do you find it a coincidence that after 2022 both Jones's and Barkley's agents decided to play hard ball and try to squeeze every penny? I have to believe the agents were savvy enough to say "John will step in and force Joe to sign the contract, I guarantee it."
RE: I know not everyone agrees  
ZoneXDOA : 9/13/2024 2:32 pm : link
In comment 16607997 Biteymax22 said:
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But Mara absolutely had favorites and 100% lets it cloud his judgement on personnel moves.

Adding to this, even his public comments make contract negotiations harder than they need to be. Do you find it a coincidence that after 2022 both Jones's and Barkley's agents decided to play hard ball and try to squeeze every penny? I have to believe the agents were savvy enough to say "John will step in and force Joe to sign the contract, I guarantee it."
Coaches, GMs and Owners make glowing public comments all the time. Hell, I tell my boss I love my job almost daily! This doesn't make him think he can give me less of a raise. Admiration and respect doesn't = $ and agents know this
RE: …  
Bob in VA : 9/13/2024 2:44 pm : link
In comment 16607809 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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He’s an incompetent boob who has personal favorites and has utterly ruined this franchise with decision after decision for a decade plus.


And yet you keep tuning in.
Everybody wants a scapegoat  
Gman11 : 9/13/2024 7:02 pm : link
I think Mara gives his opinions to the coach and GM, but lets them have the final say.

Beckham, Barkley et al were Mara favorites but were let go. He gave the go-ahead to McAdoo to bench Eli

Personnel decisions are left up to the GM and coach.

What he is culpable for is hiring guys like Gettleman, McAdoo, Judge, etc
RE: RE: Nobody is forcing you to follow this team  
GeofromNJ : 9/13/2024 9:21 pm : link
In comment 16607952 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 16607817 TXRabbit said:


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It's a painful truth but it is the truth.




No one is forcing you to read and respond to criticisms of the team when the team sucks.

Touche!
RE: RE: …  
gridirony : 9/14/2024 9:22 am : link
In comment 16608034 Bob in VA said:
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In comment 16607809 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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He’s an incompetent boob who has personal favorites and has utterly ruined this franchise with decision after decision for a decade plus.



And yet you keep tuning in.
It's like NASCAR, where some go there, wanting to see wrecks, but don't want to see drivers get hurt.
All loyalty is to $,  
gridirony : 9/14/2024 9:30 am : link
not to players or fans.

The entire problem rests in the hands of the fans.

Don't spend any $ on the Giants. Don't buy tickets, merch or even a medium Pepsi. Make the stadium an empty shell on game days. Send the ultimate message to Mara for him to sell his family's part of the ownership.

Or, likely continue to see the same product, with new packaging, rolled out each year.
RE: RE: …  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/14/2024 9:34 am : link
In comment 16608034 Bob in VA said:
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In comment 16607809 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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He’s an incompetent boob who has personal favorites and has utterly ruined this franchise with decision after decision for a decade plus.



And yet you keep tuning in.


Sure, I watch @ times. But I'm not going to lie...I go to bars for the games & usually I'm watching another game by halftime because the Giants are that bad.

& I haven't spent $ on Giants merch in years.

I think Mara is an absolute joke of an owner. I don't think he knows what the hell he's doing.
RE: All loyalty is to $,  
Blue Baas : 9/14/2024 9:44 am : link
In comment 16608445 gridirony said:
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not to players or fans.

The entire problem rests in the hands of the fans.

Don't spend any $ on the Giants. Don't buy tickets, merch or even a medium Pepsi. Make the stadium an empty shell on game days. Send the ultimate message to Mara for him to sell his family's part of the ownership.

Or, likely continue to see the same product, with new packaging, rolled out each year.


This right here. Saquon made 3 times more than the 2nd RB in endorsement deals even though the Giants were garbage. That is good for the brand. Jones was a very safe bet for a franchise QB with his non-confrontational personality, he handled being bad in the NY market with ease. He rolled the dice because he wasn't going to lose. As long as the brand is strong, fans will show up and be proud of the team even if it is just because of the history. Chiefs are approaching dynasty levels and are 23rd in value, Giants are 4th, that's the stat Mara cares about.

If one of them got arrested Mara would be happy to drop them like a bad habit.
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