I know there are a couple of you out there who would prefer to see him flounder horribly just to force a QB change sooner rather than later because in your mind that is in the best interest of the team's future. I get that. There's nothing wrong with feeling that way. But since BBI has been filled with hypothetical threads assuming poor play and asking for predictions on Jones's demise, here's a hypothetical based on the very real possibility that Jones plays well against a Washington team that has problems of its own. And my question isn't about how a win affects Jones and the team's overall future, but how it affects the doom and gloom narrative on BBI (and the media in general). How much can a win move the needle, especially if it's coupled with a very good game out of Jones? Some of you will say not at all, but that's not reality. It may only move the needle the equivalent of a dead cat bounce, but the needle will move (to many's chagrin).
p.s.--The truth is it's not just this week's game that should put fear into the hearts of those who believe the sooner the Giants move on from Jones the better, it's the following week's game as well; because the Browns are another team that could find itself picking at the top of next year's draft. Would it really be much of a surprise to see the 2-1 Giants returning home for a Thursday Night game against the Cowboys? It's not so far-fetched and it would be an interesting hurdle for Jones and the Giants to face. A nationally televised home game against the Cowboys has typically been a formula for disaster. What would it mean to get over that hump? Maybe nothing. But it would drive BBI absolutely wild. And in the words of Martin Scorsese, that you should see!
In hindsight I would gladly trade the win against the Colts to get into the playoffs and the Vikings playoff win to scrub from my memory the images of Nick Sirriani and the Eagles smugly bitch-slapping us around the Linc and the disaster this team has been ever since.
If you would feel better winning 6 games every year for the foreseeable future and marking the two Commander games on your schedule as two games you might enjoy...fan how you fan.
If he continues to suck against the Commanders' D, he should be pulled early and never see the field again this year.
Amen brother. And badly too.
Jones having a good game won't change that. Really, the question is, if Jones stinks it up again how soon do they go to Lock.
In hindsight I would gladly trade the win against the Colts to get into the playoffs and the Vikings playoff win to scrub from my memory the images of Nick Sirriani and the Eagles smugly bitch-slapping us around the Linc and the disaster this team has been ever since.
If you would feel better winning 6 games every year for the foreseeable future and marking the two Commander games on your schedule as two games you might enjoy...fan how you fan.
And the "you're not allowed to be pissed off because they played over their heads" crowd going around BBI telling us boring bullshit like there is more to life than football. Yuck. We all gotta be grateful for making the playoffs.
2022 was an underrated annoying year because after every game there was a dope after the fact saying "did you really think they'd win this game?"
Um yeah lol why not? It was a game they were winning.
In hindsight I would gladly trade the win against the Colts to get into the playoffs and the Vikings playoff win to scrub from my memory the images of Nick Sirriani and the Eagles smugly bitch-slapping us around the Linc and the disaster this team has been ever since.
If you would feel better winning 6 games every year for the foreseeable future and marking the two Commander games on your schedule as two games you might enjoy...fan how you fan.
And the "you're not allowed to be pissed off because they played over their heads" crowd going around BBI telling us boring bullshit like there is more to life than football. Yuck. We all gotta be grateful for making the playoffs.
2022 was an underrated annoying year because after every game there was a dope after the fact saying "did you really think they'd win this game?"
Um yeah lol why not? It was a game they were winning. The main reason it was annoying it was because the Giants were garbage the previous years so we had to be grateful grandchildren that we got a gift that was the Eagles blowing the Giants out in the playoffs. Fuck that.
Likely?
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As discussed, it’s possible and even likely that Jones has a good game. Problem is, he can’t do it against good teams.
Likely?
He’s played against Washington his whole career. Wouldn’t shock me.
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As discussed, it’s possible and even likely that Jones has a good game. Problem is, he can’t do it against good teams.
Likely?
He’s played against Washington his whole career. Wouldn’t shock me.
Ron Rivera is no longer there. Jones’ games in the past against Washington have less than nothing to do with how he will play this week. On the other side of that Dan Quinn is now around and his defenses have kicked Jones’ ass
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As discussed, it’s possible and even likely that Jones has a good game. Problem is, he can’t do it against good teams.
Likely?
He’s played against Washington his whole career. Wouldn’t shock me.
Something that you think is likely shouldn't shock you.
If DJ doesn't have a good game against WFT, that would be shocking to you.
NFL coaching is about getting your high priced stars on the same page and putting in max effort. IE motivation.
As I’ve seen pointed out here, we can debate all we want if Dabs wanted DJ, but where’s the evidence he’s a good offensive coach who gets the most out of QBs? DJ has absolutely regressed from his first 4 years level. Daboll has not put an offense around him to get competitive play.
You’d think any coach QB combo given the benefit of 3 years continuity would get something in place that could have moderate success in this NFL.
Dabs needs to get his front line players fired up and ready to execute a good game plan. This is a huge game for him.
No argument from me. But so is our QB and relying on the fact that he has played well against that color uniform is absurd. And the color of the uniform is the only thing still the same from when he’s played against them in the past. Quinn doesn’t need good players to confuse Daniel Jones. The Vikings aren’t exactly the ‘85 Bears on defense either…
Jones? His greatest accomplishment is looking like Eli Manning and talking like him. Have we given any other player this much rope? Hell, we brought in a legitimate replacement for Evan Neal.
And we're actually thinking about whether one good game against the Washington Commanders--the only team Jones has ever had success against--as possibly changing "the narrative"?
Really?
Let's assume that DJ can be 2022 DJ. It is hard to argue against the surrounding cast being substantially more talented (Barkley aside) than that group. And I question how much Barkley added to wins.
So an incremental improvement would be likely.
What does that actually get you? Forget drafting a QB with a statistical probability of leading us to the promised land. If you have trouble believing that DJ can even approach greatness, our ceiling would be COMPETITIVE - BUT?
There's a few different scenarios we could be entering.
1) they win and Jones looks competent/good, benefits Daboll to keep his goddamn job and Jones plays a little longer.
2) they win and Jones plays bad; does Daboll have the balls to make any changes with that outcome?
3) they lose and Jones plays competent/good, worst case scenario for Daboll.
4) they lose and Jones plays bad; Daboll has no choice to make the switch and if he does, great. He has 16 more games to pull out some wins and save his job. If they lose and Jones looks bad again, and he doesn't make any changes into Week 3? He is making his own deathbed.
in that regard, the best possible outcome is Jones has the worst game of his career tomorrow (that’s a low bar!) and Mara finally lets Schoen get rid of him.
in that regard, the best possible outcome is Jones has the worst game of his career tomorrow (that’s a low bar!) and Mara finally lets Schoen get rid of him.
The thought of Jones being our QB in 25….
(Vomiting.)
I'm confident that will be the outcome.
This is precious. Jones was toast BEFORE the surgery. At what point do some of you clowns realize that this is far more than a one game sample size? Yeah, sure we could look stupid. Yep. We are all petrified of that actually happening…
Hi Mr. Mara!
Its the surgery thats causing him to play exactly like where he left off in the Raiders game last year before the surgery happened, righr?
Imagine if Jones threw touchdowns, we'd all look pretty dumb!
Except it's six years of this now. Enough. A promising rookie year, one good season in a cucked offense assisted by an All Pro running back helping temporarily enhance Jones' one great strength (his legs), and a lot of mediocre to downright awful. And these people never take a second to realize how stupid they are making threads like this.
Coming from an expert of looking stupid.
There's the business side of DJ being out of excuses, and there's the human side of a guy returning from a serious ACL injury on the early side.
He looks unplayable. He didn't always. To Bob in Newburgh's point, is his best play worth waiting around for? That's the questoin - even if he can improve. For being such a hard worker, the lack of progression in his own game over the 23-24 period is alarming.
I don't think any fan here is hoping Daniel Jones gets Damar Hamlin'd. We don't owe him anything more than that. He's a colossal failure and the crowning example of ownership's failures. He more than any other player (and Gettleman more than ay other executive aside from Mara himself) symbolize the rot of this franchise since 2012.
It’s his sixth year, stop calling him a kid.
And stop pretending he wasn’t shitty before his injury.
Basically just stop.
Imagine if Jones threw touchdowns, we'd all look pretty dumb!
Except it's six years of this now. Enough. A promising rookie year, one good season in a cucked offense assisted by an All Pro running back helping temporarily enhance Jones' one great strength (his legs), and a lot of mediocre to downright awful. And these people never take a second to realize how stupid they are making threads like this.
NO YELLING ON THE BUS
The hubris is continuing to try to tell others that Jones is good despite all evidence to the contrary
If Jones can't function vs. a very average Washington defense, Daboll needs to make the switch.
Matt, even if Jones lights it up tomorrow, I don't think most people are going to be like, 'Wow! Jones is back!' Of course shills like Papa, Banks, & all those inside 1925 Giants Way will say that, but most people who aren't fanboys are going to say, 'Alright. Do it again vs. Cleveland. Then again vs. Dallas. And then vs. Seattle. And then the rest of the year.'
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But, I also don't think it would move the needle very much. He has no equity built up at this point. The only thing it does is stave off benching immediately. But, to have any long term change in people's view of him, he would need to follow it up with a big game the following week.
Matt, even if Jones lights it up tomorrow, I don't think most people are going to be like, 'Wow! Jones is back!' Of course shills like Papa, Banks, & all those inside 1925 Giants Way will say that, but most people who aren't fanboys are going to say, 'Alright. Do it again vs. Cleveland. Then again vs. Dallas. And then vs. Seattle. And then the rest of the year.'
Indeed. I think even ryanmkeane has stopped doing that after a good game by Jones.
Though admittedly, Jones hasn't provided his supporters an opportunity to say he's back for quite some time now.
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As discussed, it’s possible and even likely that Jones has a good game. Problem is, he can’t do it against good teams.
Likely?
He’s played against Washington his whole career. Wouldn’t shock me.
Ron Rivera is no longer there. Jones’ games in the past against Washington have less than nothing to do with how he will play this week. On the other side of that Dan Quinn is now around and his defenses have kicked Jones’ ass
Dan Quinn didn't bring Micah Parsons with him to Washington.
There's the business side of DJ being out of excuses, and there's the human side of a guy returning from a serious ACL injury on the early side.
He looks unplayable. He didn't always. To Bob in Newburgh's point, is his best play worth waiting around for? That's the questoin - even if he can improve. For being such a hard worker, the lack of progression in his own game over the 23-24 period is alarming.
This - and yes. He looked physically unable to compete last Sunday more than his usual issues. I feel like Jones before his injury would've done more damage to the Vikings with his legs at least.
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As discussed, it’s possible and even likely that Jones has a good game. Problem is, he can’t do it against good teams.
Likely?
He’s played against Washington his whole career. Wouldn’t shock me.
Ron Rivera is no longer there. Jones’ games in the past against Washington have less than nothing to do with how he will play this week. On the other side of that Dan Quinn is now around and his defenses have kicked Jones’ ass
They don't have players. They got rocked for 40 points and 400 yards of offense and got destroyed on 3rd down.
Ron Rivera was a good defensive coach until he got to washington, because he didn't have players.
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As discussed, it’s possible and even likely that Jones has a good game. Problem is, he can’t do it against good teams.
Likely?
He’s played against Washington his whole career. Wouldn’t shock me.
Ron Rivera is no longer there. Jones’ games in the past against Washington have less than nothing to do with how he will play this week. On the other side of that Dan Quinn is now around and his defenses have kicked Jones’ ass
Dan Quinn didn't bring Micah Parsons with him to Washington.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Daniel Jones will light it up because he’s played decently this team that has absolutely nothing to do with the other teams he’s beaten in Washington. I cannot wait to see all you clowns posting after the game tomorrow. Again, Dan Quinn doesn’t need Micah Parsons to make a fool of Daniel Jones. Why the hell are there Giants fans still insisting otherwise? This is bizarro world at this point
Historically fast?
I'm pretty sure DJ's recovery is basically on schedule. There was a chance that he might have not been fully recovered to start the season, but the most likely scenario was always that he would be, just as other QBs with midseason ACLs have been in recent years.
We don't have to keep assigning superhuman praise to ordinary stuff.
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As discussed, it’s possible and even likely that Jones has a good game. Problem is, he can’t do it against good teams.
Likely?
He’s played against Washington his whole career. Wouldn’t shock me.
Ron Rivera is no longer there. Jones’ games in the past against Washington have less than nothing to do with how he will play this week. On the other side of that Dan Quinn is now around and his defenses have kicked Jones’ ass
Dan Quinn didn't bring Micah Parsons with him to Washington.
At the same time, VIkings didn’t need Parsons in the Meadowlands last week either.