I love watching football and will be rooting for a bounce back game. If you can’t tell, I stayed off of BBI this past week and didn’t read any threads. Good for my health!
I liked the idea of switching to a RBBC. Singletary is coming off a very good season and Tracy was an intriguing draft pick. They were completely flat last week though. It would take some weight off DJ.
My two cents… if Jones struggles again this week, I wouldn’t be shocked if they sit him. I know it’s early but remember this franchise sat Eli Manning after an 0-2 start in 2019 to give Jones his start and Eli had accomplished far more in his career.
Interested to see if he is active and plays.Carm Bracillo likes to design blocking schemes that use a fullback. JS said I am not paying a quarterback 40 million to hand off but there is a saying that a QB's best friend is a running game.
What’s amazing to me is Jones has only 2TD passes in last 8 games
Holy Cow…what an accomplishment for our $40 million per year QB.
My birthday day is Wednesday. I will be 75.
Maybe the Giants present me with an early birthday present. Ya never know!!!
I can't remember being less interested in a September Giants game in awhile. At least the bar will have Head High on tap & other games on too so I got that going for me.
all on Jones. If he plays like he did last week, Washington will romp. I hope Daboll has the balls to bench Jones if he plays like crap during the first half.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Daboll just greeted Bobby Johnson with a hug on the sideline. They were close, with Johnson following Daboll from Buffalo to be the Giants' O-line coach for the previous two years. It pained Daboll to fire his close friend, but he had no choice after the O-line's performance last season. Johnson landed on his feet on Dan Quinn's staff in Washington.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Giants-Commanders pregame thoughts:
• Could this be it for Daniel Jones? I would be surprised if he's pulled during this game (the second half comeback against Arizona in Week 2 last season wasn't that long ago). But if he looks like he did in the opener, I don't think they can continue to stick with him after today.
Of course, this is the one opponent he's consistently had success against. Lot of coaching/personnel changes from those performances, but still, he has to have a level of confidence coming into this stadium.
I think the most likely outcome is that Jones plays OK — not great, not terrible — and is able to hold onto his job at least another week.
• I expect to see the young RBs mixed in more today. Think there was some hesitancy to put too much on them in Week 1.
• I expect the Giants to get Malik Nabers more involved early today. He didn't have a target until the Giants' third possession in the opener.
I'm curious how his knee impacts his workload. The messaging has been "nothing to see here" but he didn't look great in the limited portion of practice we could see on Friday. Wouldn't be surprised if he's in and out of the lineup a bit after playing 100 percent of the snaps last week.
• Interested to see how much Jalin Hyatt plays today. He played three snaps in the first half last week and only had one target. Seems like a guy who can be sprinkled in a bit more, especially against a shaky secondary.
I don't expect as much heavy personnel as the opener, so that should provide more opportunities to get Hyatt on the field.
• Awkward backdrop with the Giants facing rookie QB Jayden Daniels, who we saw Daboll say he'd trade up for during Hard Knocks.
Daniels has plenty of potential, but he's mostly a threat as a runner at this point. Still, the Giants' pass rush needs to dominate this game. The Commanders have poor tackles and as DC Shane Bowen said this week, their best players need to play their best.
Daniels struggled against the blitz last week. We'll see if Bowen breaks tendency and sends extra rushers more today.
• Bowen said Isaiah Simmons will play after getting no defensive snaps last week. Not sure I see a big role for him, but his speed could be useful on third downs to pseudo-spy Daniels.
• Deonte Banks mostly traveled with Justin Jefferson last week, although it wasn't as if he was left 1-on-1 much. Curious if he does the same with Terry McLaurin today. Makes sense with McLaurin not moving around much in Kliff Kingsbury's offense and Cor'Dale Flott expected to be at the other corner spot.
• Will be watching Graham Gano's warmups closely. Alarming to have him pop up on injury report yesterday with a groin injury. This offense is going to need Gano operating at peak level.
My two cents… if Jones struggles again this week, I wouldn’t be shocked if they sit him. I know it’s early but remember this franchise sat Eli Manning after an 0-2 start in 2019 to give Jones his start and Eli had accomplished far more in his career.
You think Eli accomplished far more…..now that’s a well thought out statement.
RE: It sounds like Nabers shouldn’t even be playing
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
How short is #Giants leash on Daniel Jones?
If they win today, I think it resets.
If he plays as badly as he did last week, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the end.
If they lose but he plays better, you have to look at the schedule. What I mean:
Joe Schoen said on "Hard Knocks" that Giants couldn't afford an 0-3 start (in the context of signing a backup in case Joes was still injured to start the season) so maybe Schoen looks at the first three games as a true mile-marker. Makes me they would stick with Jones and try to salvage a 1-2 start by beating #Browns in Cleveland.
If they are 0-3, it becomes hard to get Drew Lock ready in one true practice to face Cowboys on Thursday Night Football in Week 4.
The flip side of that, however, is it could be untenable for all involved for an 0-3 Giants team to start Jones at home vs. #Cowboys in primetime. The first-quarter boos last week suggest that fans just don't want to see Jones' face anymore regardless of results. Just anyone else. They want change for change's sake.
I think the most likely scenario would be Jones starts Week 3, Jones starts on a very short leash Week 4 and Drew Lock starts Week 5 in his homecoming vs. #Seahawks.
But a win could change that. Another true stinker could change that.
If a sportswriter says Nabers’ looked obviously limited in practice before week 2, my belief is the player needs to be held out. This isn’t a playoff game. And 17 games makes for a long season. Soccer players are regularly held out simply to avoid fatigue. NFL coaches have to move to this mindset. The NFL doesn’t play 11 game seasons anymore.
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
How short is #Giants leash on Daniel Jones?
If they win today, I think it resets.
If he plays as badly as he did last week, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the end.
If they lose but he plays better, you have to look at the schedule. What I mean:
Joe Schoen said on "Hard Knocks" that Giants couldn't afford an 0-3 start (in the context of signing a backup in case Joes was still injured to start the season) so maybe Schoen looks at the first three games as a true mile-marker. Makes me they would stick with Jones and try to salvage a 1-2 start by beating #Browns in Cleveland.
If they are 0-3, it becomes hard to get Drew Lock ready in one true practice to face Cowboys on Thursday Night Football in Week 4.
The flip side of that, however, is it could be untenable for all involved for an 0-3 Giants team to start Jones at home vs. #Cowboys in primetime. The first-quarter boos last week suggest that fans just don't want to see Jones' face anymore regardless of results. Just anyone else. They want change for change's sake.
I think the most likely scenario would be Jones starts Week 3, Jones starts on a very short leash Week 4 and Drew Lock starts Week 5 in his homecoming vs. #Seahawks.
But a win could change that. Another true stinker could change that.
what an absolute failure by the organization to be in this position week 2. shameful.
as bad as things were in 2015, 2017, 2019, and 2021 when coaches/gms got fired, i dont think things have ever been worse in week 2. a new milestone on the "there is no bottom" era of giants football.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Malik Nabers doesn't have anything on his right leg (he was wearing a sleeve on Friday) and is moving much better in warmups than he did on Friday.
the Giants lose 21-17 or the like where the defense has played decently, we get some pressure, and our offensive weapons flash their talent and we lose because of Daniel Jones's mistakes.
The worst thing now would be to win a 20-17 type game. The people running this team are dumb enough to think that could signal a turnaround.
im hoping for a win bc you never know what happens if momentum turns and i dont believe the future is iron clad, but if they dont win im hoping for whatever facilitates swift change. to be in this position already is close to fireable and the 2 best candidates to lead this forward are basically available already.
to say a team's week one performance is indicative of future performance, but Washington's D was a disaster last week, especially in the backend.
Granted, Tampa has Evans and Godwin, two excellent receivers, but Mayfield was throwing lasers all over the field and had plenty of time. He notched an 83+ QBR.
If Jones and the offense are going to get right - for them - this is the ideal game on paper.
And given the 2025 injury guarantee, the effective IQ of the Giants leadership is… very low. There’s no way he should ever play another snap for the Giants, as far as I’m concerned. I don’t see an intellectually rigorous argument against it.
to say a team's week one performance is indicative of future performance, but Washington's D was a disaster last week, especially in the backend.
Granted, Tampa has Evans and Godwin, two excellent receivers, but Mayfield was throwing lasers all over the field and had plenty of time. He notched an 83+ QBR.
If Jones and the offense are going to get right - for them - this is the ideal game on paper.
it's not as hard when their #1 corner is st juste, their #2 corner who was trending bust just got surgery, and his replacement is a declared bust who has now been on 3 teams in 3 years and graded lower than #1/#2.
if they cant get the offense going this week leave everyone in washington.
Is it a watchable game today?
Or another Sunday you wished you had done something else for 3 hours?
Is it a watchable game today?
Or another Sunday you wished you had done something else for 3 hours?
Well considering it's not on in CT, I feel my decision has been made for me
Is it a watchable game today?
Or another Sunday you wished you had done something else for 3 hours?
I don’t really root for the Giants to win these last few years. What’s the point?
Go Giants! I love beating the skins.
It willbe exciting, either way.
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Here we go.
Is it a watchable game today?
Or another Sunday you wished you had done something else for 3 hours?
Well considering it's not on in CT, I feel my decision has been made for me
That barrier is not insurmountable.
Go Giants
Hard to see Jones turn it around but if there’s a game to do it this is it, as Washington looked like the worst defense in the league last week.
My birthday day is Wednesday. I will be 75.
Maybe the Giants present me with an early birthday present. Ya never know!!!
Throwing for 283 3-0.
Hard to see Jones turn it around but if there’s a game to do it this is it, as Washington looked like the worst defense in the league last week.
They must really like Jones' performance against Dan Quinn defenses.
@DDuggan21
Daboll just greeted Bobby Johnson with a hug on the sideline. They were close, with Johnson following Daboll from Buffalo to be the Giants' O-line coach for the previous two years. It pained Daboll to fire his close friend, but he had no choice after the O-line's performance last season. Johnson landed on his feet on Dan Quinn's staff in Washington.
@DDuggan21
Giants-Commanders pregame thoughts:
• Could this be it for Daniel Jones? I would be surprised if he's pulled during this game (the second half comeback against Arizona in Week 2 last season wasn't that long ago). But if he looks like he did in the opener, I don't think they can continue to stick with him after today.
Of course, this is the one opponent he's consistently had success against. Lot of coaching/personnel changes from those performances, but still, he has to have a level of confidence coming into this stadium.
I think the most likely outcome is that Jones plays OK — not great, not terrible — and is able to hold onto his job at least another week.
• I expect to see the young RBs mixed in more today. Think there was some hesitancy to put too much on them in Week 1.
• I expect the Giants to get Malik Nabers more involved early today. He didn't have a target until the Giants' third possession in the opener.
I'm curious how his knee impacts his workload. The messaging has been "nothing to see here" but he didn't look great in the limited portion of practice we could see on Friday. Wouldn't be surprised if he's in and out of the lineup a bit after playing 100 percent of the snaps last week.
• Interested to see how much Jalin Hyatt plays today. He played three snaps in the first half last week and only had one target. Seems like a guy who can be sprinkled in a bit more, especially against a shaky secondary.
I don't expect as much heavy personnel as the opener, so that should provide more opportunities to get Hyatt on the field.
• Awkward backdrop with the Giants facing rookie QB Jayden Daniels, who we saw Daboll say he'd trade up for during Hard Knocks.
Daniels has plenty of potential, but he's mostly a threat as a runner at this point. Still, the Giants' pass rush needs to dominate this game. The Commanders have poor tackles and as DC Shane Bowen said this week, their best players need to play their best.
Daniels struggled against the blitz last week. We'll see if Bowen breaks tendency and sends extra rushers more today.
• Bowen said Isaiah Simmons will play after getting no defensive snaps last week. Not sure I see a big role for him, but his speed could be useful on third downs to pseudo-spy Daniels.
• Deonte Banks mostly traveled with Justin Jefferson last week, although it wasn't as if he was left 1-on-1 much. Curious if he does the same with Terry McLaurin today. Makes sense with McLaurin not moving around much in Kliff Kingsbury's offense and Cor'Dale Flott expected to be at the other corner spot.
• Will be watching Graham Gano's warmups closely. Alarming to have him pop up on injury report yesterday with a groin injury. This offense is going to need Gano operating at peak level.
You think Eli accomplished far more…..now that’s a well thought out statement.
Can you be more specific with the info?
@rydunleavy
How short is #Giants leash on Daniel Jones?
If they win today, I think it resets.
If he plays as badly as he did last week, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the end.
If they lose but he plays better, you have to look at the schedule. What I mean:
Joe Schoen said on "Hard Knocks" that Giants couldn't afford an 0-3 start (in the context of signing a backup in case Joes was still injured to start the season) so maybe Schoen looks at the first three games as a true mile-marker. Makes me they would stick with Jones and try to salvage a 1-2 start by beating #Browns in Cleveland.
If they are 0-3, it becomes hard to get Drew Lock ready in one true practice to face Cowboys on Thursday Night Football in Week 4.
The flip side of that, however, is it could be untenable for all involved for an 0-3 Giants team to start Jones at home vs. #Cowboys in primetime. The first-quarter boos last week suggest that fans just don't want to see Jones' face anymore regardless of results. Just anyone else. They want change for change's sake.
I think the most likely scenario would be Jones starts Week 3, Jones starts on a very short leash Week 4 and Drew Lock starts Week 5 in his homecoming vs. #Seahawks.
But a win could change that. Another true stinker could change that.
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Can you be more specific with the info?
If a sportswriter says Nabers’ looked obviously limited in practice before week 2, my belief is the player needs to be held out. This isn’t a playoff game. And 17 games makes for a long season. Soccer players are regularly held out simply to avoid fatigue. NFL coaches have to move to this mindset. The NFL doesn’t play 11 game seasons anymore.
@rydunleavy
How short is #Giants leash on Daniel Jones?
If they win today, I think it resets.
If he plays as badly as he did last week, I wouldn't be surprised if this is the end.
If they lose but he plays better, you have to look at the schedule. What I mean:
Joe Schoen said on "Hard Knocks" that Giants couldn't afford an 0-3 start (in the context of signing a backup in case Joes was still injured to start the season) so maybe Schoen looks at the first three games as a true mile-marker. Makes me they would stick with Jones and try to salvage a 1-2 start by beating #Browns in Cleveland.
If they are 0-3, it becomes hard to get Drew Lock ready in one true practice to face Cowboys on Thursday Night Football in Week 4.
The flip side of that, however, is it could be untenable for all involved for an 0-3 Giants team to start Jones at home vs. #Cowboys in primetime. The first-quarter boos last week suggest that fans just don't want to see Jones' face anymore regardless of results. Just anyone else. They want change for change's sake.
I think the most likely scenario would be Jones starts Week 3, Jones starts on a very short leash Week 4 and Drew Lock starts Week 5 in his homecoming vs. #Seahawks.
But a win could change that. Another true stinker could change that.
what an absolute failure by the organization to be in this position week 2. shameful.
as bad as things were in 2015, 2017, 2019, and 2021 when coaches/gms got fired, i dont think things have ever been worse in week 2. a new milestone on the "there is no bottom" era of giants football.
My guess - he'll be benched mid game versus Cleveland or Dallas.
Hopefully the defense steps up was I feel they can be a bright spot this year
And some imagination on offense.
Probably happens, it's WSH.
@DDuggan21
Malik Nabers doesn't have anything on his right leg (he was wearing a sleeve on Friday) and is moving much better in warmups than he did on Friday.
@JordanRaanan
WR Malik Nabers looks to be moving well in early warmups. He was limited on Thursday after feeling discomfort in his knee.
And some imagination on offense.
Probably happens, it's WSH.
im hoping for a win bc you never know what happens if momentum turns and i dont believe the future is iron clad, but if they dont win im hoping for whatever facilitates swift change. to be in this position already is close to fireable and the 2 best candidates to lead this forward are basically available already.
Granted, Tampa has Evans and Godwin, two excellent receivers, but Mayfield was throwing lasers all over the field and had plenty of time. He notched an 83+ QBR.
If Jones and the offense are going to get right - for them - this is the ideal game on paper.
Granted, Tampa has Evans and Godwin, two excellent receivers, but Mayfield was throwing lasers all over the field and had plenty of time. He notched an 83+ QBR.
If Jones and the offense are going to get right - for them - this is the ideal game on paper.
it's not as hard when their #1 corner is st juste, their #2 corner who was trending bust just got surgery, and his replacement is a declared bust who has now been on 3 teams in 3 years and graded lower than #1/#2.
if they cant get the offense going this week leave everyone in washington.