They only had the ball 7 times and scored 3 TDs. Add in the Nabers drop and Singletary's fumble, and that 5 scoring drives in 7. Washington had the ball all game. It really does fall squarely on the D
That was an absolutely gutless performance by the cream puff unit
Seven possessions, seven FGs. Not punts, no takeaways. I've never seen anything like that in 45 years of watching football.
The tackling was absolutely pathetic. No fundamentals. And no pass rush from the front four (unless there was a blitz).
I don't think the roster mismanagement or Gano disaster played into the outcome all that much, if he played the Giants still lose.
If it weren't for Washington being a bad team that repeatedly shot themselves in the foot every time they were in the red zone with numerous false starts (I lost count, was it five?) the Giants would've been blown out.
I can't believe I'm sick of this team after two games. I'm ready to move on to hockey.
Belichick should spend his entire fall watching college games,
you have a 6% chance of making the playoffs. Although Jones was better today, he was not good at all in long passes. I think this may be his best game of the year, because when he plays against real good defenses, he will suck. Another loss or 2 he will be benched.
also, our defense should be much much better so not sure if it is bowen's schemes or bad lack of pass rush.
If anyone had looked at basically most of the NYG wins in the past
Played really well today. They just didn't get many shots at it. Commanders controlled the game. That was one of the worst defensive performances I've seen and the 21 points allowed is a mirage.
And they didn't activate a backup kicker to cover for the eventuality that he couldn't go is an awful coaching decision that should have been learned during last year's Jet game.
What was more valuable in today's game? A kicker who could have got us another 5 points or one of your special teams "demons" lol.
Washington receivers were wide open every play. If they didn't consistently shoot themselves in the foot every trip to the red zone, we would have gotten blown out.
7 yard cushion over and over again, made it way too easy on a rookie QB in his 2nd start.
Mind boggling, and it’s not like Commanders WR’s are the 2000 Rams. Press cover them!
In three offseasons, Schoen still hasn't found a credible run defender to put next to Lawrence, who he inherited. His player personnel decisions overall have been poor IMO.
Daboll didn't activate the PS kicker despite knowing that Gano was already hurt. Designed runs with an injury riddled QB like Jones were also a mistake. Also, too many runs to Singletary straight into the line. None around the end from what I saw, and not enough screens.
Jones executed well what he was required to do, but from what I saw, he was rarely going through multiple reads.
Nabers was great. The drop was unfortunate, but as I said on the game thread, he likely took his eyes off the ball for a split second to make sure his feet were in bounds. We're not even in the game without him.
We had one and traded him to Seattle , essentially for Burns who looks like he wasn’t worth the second pick or the massive contract. Honestly, can anyone name a move Schoen has made that improved this team significantly?
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Brian Daboll hammering that it was a hamstring injury for Graham Gano, not a groin like yesterday.
Im not sure that holds water #Giants
What doesn't hold water? It was a hammy today. Previous was a groin. Two separate injuries.
It's not a huge mental leap that Gano might injure himself favoring his groin. Daboll needs to plan for these contingencies or eventualities. You know your team needs a kicker. Going into a game with a compromised kicker means a backup should be available, especially since we had one on the practice squad.
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Brian Daboll hammering that it was a hamstring injury for Graham Gano, not a groin like yesterday.
Im not sure that holds water #Giants
What doesn't hold water? It was a hammy today. Previous was a groin. Two separate injuries.
Because if he's running at full speed trying to not injure his groin it can place strain on other body parts.
No. Don't bullshit to fill a narrative.
I don't disagree that they should have had the other kicker on the roster, at all. I do disagree that the hammy was caused by the groin.
I'd blame Gano just having to chase down a returner because of piss poor coverage.
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Brian Daboll hammering that it was a hamstring injury for Graham Gano, not a groin like yesterday.
Im not sure that holds water #Giants
What doesn't hold water? It was a hammy today. Previous was a groin. Two separate injuries.
Because if he's running at full speed trying to not injure his groin it can place strain on other body parts.
No. Don't bullshit to fill a narrative.
I don't disagree that they should have had the other kicker on the roster, at all. I do disagree that the hammy was caused by the groin.
I'd blame Gano just having to chase down a returner because of piss poor coverage.
It happens all the time. People favor one injury and put strain on another part of their body.
O was a little better but not sure this WFT is a good test at this point. Pretty much the BD scheme with heavy targets to to an outhandling WR and at least for today some semblance of run game with the RB's. D was just terrible again.
Defensive post game with another "I have been around long enough" comments.
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Brian Daboll hammering that it was a hamstring injury for Graham Gano, not a groin like yesterday.
Im not sure that holds water #Giants
What doesn't hold water? It was a hammy today. Previous was a groin. Two separate injuries.
Because if he's running at full speed trying to not injure his groin it can place strain on other body parts.
No. Don't bullshit to fill a narrative.
I don't disagree that they should have had the other kicker on the roster, at all. I do disagree that the hammy was caused by the groin.
I'd blame Gano just having to chase down a returner because of piss poor coverage.
LOL it's not BS. You hear about it all the time. Think what you need to though.
After coordinator, we ought to think about hiring a head coach.
It's the only reason Kafka is still here IMO. You can't have a new Offensive, Defensive, Special teams, o line coach, etc. Without looking at the idiot who hired all them.
It seemed fitting that the one time the defense showed up, we got a bogus penalty. There's a bunch of single plays that could have changed the outcome: Singletary's fumble, Nabers drop, the bogus holding, but I put most of the blame on the defense. I can't believe how poor they were. They must've had the ball for 40 minutes
Washington didn't even have to punt today! ILBs and Edge contain were absolutely shit today. Bowen appears clueless in making adjustments, as well. How do we turn this mess around. The D was supposed to be the best part of the team this year and we are relegated to this crap! Banks must of went off on the air?!
It seemed fitting that the one time the defense showed up, we got a bogus penalty. There's a bunch of single plays that could have changed the outcome: Singletary's fumble, Nabers drop, the bogus holding, but I put most of the blame on the defense. I can't believe how poor they were. They must've had the ball for 40 minutes
They had the ball 15 more minutes then us....that's an entire freaking quarter!
He had the kind of game today that makes me LOL at the posters who try to defend him next gen stats like "catch rate", "drop rate", and how he's a "bargain contract" because of all that.
The stats don't account for the timing of the drops (how the fuck could he drop the two point conversion???); the stats don't account for committing absolutely back breaking penalties; the stats don't account for lazy route running that allowed a defender to get in position to knock a ball away that otherwise should have resulted in a first down.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, he's nothing more than a JAG. And to think - he was the #1 receiver on this team for two years!
He wasn't the sole reason they lost today, of course - but he's a pretty big reason. Sy may have to make an exception/expansion to his three duds, but however big that list is, Slayton sure did earn his place on it if he's there.
Nothing to imagine. It’s gonna come to fruition.
Just the worst.
Been getting them too. The mouse gave up
They only had the ball 7 times and scored 3 TDs. Add in the Nabers drop and Singletary's fumble, and that 5 scoring drives in 7. Washington had the ball all game. It really does fall squarely on the D
Seven possessions, seven FGs. Not punts, no takeaways. I've never seen anything like that in 45 years of watching football.
The tackling was absolutely pathetic. No fundamentals. And no pass rush from the front four (unless there was a blitz).
I don't think the roster mismanagement or Gano disaster played into the outcome all that much, if he played the Giants still lose.
If it weren't for Washington being a bad team that repeatedly shot themselves in the foot every time they were in the red zone with numerous false starts (I lost count, was it five?) the Giants would've been blown out.
I can't believe I'm sick of this team after two games. I'm ready to move on to hockey.
also, our defense should be much much better so not sure if it is bowen's schemes or bad lack of pass rush.
I'm okay with the loss though. All good here.
@rydunleavy
Brian Daboll hammering that it was a hamstring injury for Graham Gano, not a groin like yesterday.
Im not sure that holds water #Giants
I really respect the job he did in 2022, but those lights are getting pretty dim for Dabs.
I'm okay with the loss though. All good here.
Same. Easy money. They are a joke.
I really respect the job he did in 2022, but those lights are getting pretty dim for Dabs.
Doesn't matter.
What was more valuable in today's game? A kicker who could have got us another 5 points or one of your special teams "demons" lol.
@rydunleavy
Brian Daboll hammering that it was a hamstring injury for Graham Gano, not a groin like yesterday.
Im not sure that holds water #Giants
What doesn't hold water? It was a hammy today. Previous was a groin. Two separate injuries.
@rydunleavy
Brian Daboll hammering that it was a hamstring injury for Graham Gano, not a groin like yesterday.
Im not sure that holds water #Giants
The groin injury is Schoen/Daboll's decision making
I really respect the job he did in 2022, but those lights are getting pretty dim for Dabs.
Doesn't matter.
Oh for sure. I think it's as close to over as it can be after two weeks.
Quote:
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Brian Daboll hammering that it was a hamstring injury for Graham Gano, not a groin like yesterday.
Im not sure that holds water #Giants
What doesn't hold water? It was a hammy today. Previous was a groin. Two separate injuries.
The Giant Insider Podcast and Newspaper
@GiantInsider
Asked if Gano could have hurt his hamstring favoring the groin, Daboll said “I’m not a doctor”
Quote:
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Brian Daboll hammering that it was a hamstring injury for Graham Gano, not a groin like yesterday.
Im not sure that holds water #Giants
What doesn't hold water? It was a hammy today. Previous was a groin. Two separate injuries.
Because if he's running at full speed trying to not injure his groin it can place strain on other body parts.
Quote:
In comment 16610962 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Brian Daboll hammering that it was a hamstring injury for Graham Gano, not a groin like yesterday.
Im not sure that holds water #Giants
What doesn't hold water? It was a hammy today. Previous was a groin. Two separate injuries.
The Giant Insider Podcast and Newspaper
@GiantInsider
Asked if Gano could have hurt his hamstring favoring the groin, Daboll said “I’m not a doctor”
It's too bad they didn't have any doctors they could talk to about the health of their players
Quote:
In comment 16610962 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Brian Daboll hammering that it was a hamstring injury for Graham Gano, not a groin like yesterday.
Im not sure that holds water #Giants
What doesn't hold water? It was a hammy today. Previous was a groin. Two separate injuries.
The Giant Insider Podcast and Newspaper
@GiantInsider
Asked if Gano could have hurt his hamstring favoring the groin, Daboll said “I’m not a doctor”
Dammit Jim, I am worthless head coach, not a doctor.
Quote:
Washington receivers were wide open every play. If they didn't consistently shoot themselves in the foot every trip to the red zone, we would have gotten blown out.
7 yard cushion over and over again, made it way too easy on a rookie QB in his 2nd start.
Mind boggling, and it’s not like Commanders WR’s are the 2000 Rams. Press cover them!
In three offseasons, Schoen still hasn't found a credible run defender to put next to Lawrence, who he inherited. His player personnel decisions overall have been poor IMO.
Daboll didn't activate the PS kicker despite knowing that Gano was already hurt. Designed runs with an injury riddled QB like Jones were also a mistake. Also, too many runs to Singletary straight into the line. None around the end from what I saw, and not enough screens.
Jones executed well what he was required to do, but from what I saw, he was rarely going through multiple reads.
Nabers was great. The drop was unfortunate, but as I said on the game thread, he likely took his eyes off the ball for a split second to make sure his feet were in bounds. We're not even in the game without him.
We had one and traded him to Seattle , essentially for Burns who looks like he wasn’t worth the second pick or the massive contract. Honestly, can anyone name a move Schoen has made that improved this team significantly?
Quote:
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Brian Daboll hammering that it was a hamstring injury for Graham Gano, not a groin like yesterday.
Im not sure that holds water #Giants
What doesn't hold water? It was a hammy today. Previous was a groin. Two separate injuries.
It's not a huge mental leap that Gano might injure himself favoring his groin. Daboll needs to plan for these contingencies or eventualities. You know your team needs a kicker. Going into a game with a compromised kicker means a backup should be available, especially since we had one on the practice squad.
Quote:
In comment 16610962 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Brian Daboll hammering that it was a hamstring injury for Graham Gano, not a groin like yesterday.
Im not sure that holds water #Giants
What doesn't hold water? It was a hammy today. Previous was a groin. Two separate injuries.
Because if he's running at full speed trying to not injure his groin it can place strain on other body parts.
No. Don't bullshit to fill a narrative.
I don't disagree that they should have had the other kicker on the roster, at all. I do disagree that the hammy was caused by the groin.
I'd blame Gano just having to chase down a returner because of piss poor coverage.
Lol, exactly.
I really respect the job he did in 2022, but those lights are getting pretty dim for Dabs.
Yep, looking like another house cleaning.
Quote:
In comment 16610977 section125 said:
Quote:
In comment 16610962 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Brian Daboll hammering that it was a hamstring injury for Graham Gano, not a groin like yesterday.
Im not sure that holds water #Giants
What doesn't hold water? It was a hammy today. Previous was a groin. Two separate injuries.
Because if he's running at full speed trying to not injure his groin it can place strain on other body parts.
No. Don't bullshit to fill a narrative.
I don't disagree that they should have had the other kicker on the roster, at all. I do disagree that the hammy was caused by the groin.
I'd blame Gano just having to chase down a returner because of piss poor coverage.
It happens all the time. People favor one injury and put strain on another part of their body.
Defensive post game with another "I have been around long enough" comments.
Quote:
In comment 16610977 section125 said:
Quote:
In comment 16610962 Eric from BBI said:
Quote:
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
Brian Daboll hammering that it was a hamstring injury for Graham Gano, not a groin like yesterday.
Im not sure that holds water #Giants
What doesn't hold water? It was a hammy today. Previous was a groin. Two separate injuries.
Because if he's running at full speed trying to not injure his groin it can place strain on other body parts.
No. Don't bullshit to fill a narrative.
I don't disagree that they should have had the other kicker on the roster, at all. I do disagree that the hammy was caused by the groin.
I'd blame Gano just having to chase down a returner because of piss poor coverage.
LOL it's not BS. You hear about it all the time. Think what you need to though.
It's the only reason Kafka is still here IMO. You can't have a new Offensive, Defensive, Special teams, o line coach, etc. Without looking at the idiot who hired all them.
He loved to take the points. Would’ve easily scratched a number of players for another kicker on the active roster.
They had the ball 15 more minutes then us....that's an entire freaking quarter!
To quote Bart Scott
Can't wait
The stats don't account for the timing of the drops (how the fuck could he drop the two point conversion???); the stats don't account for committing absolutely back breaking penalties; the stats don't account for lazy route running that allowed a defender to get in position to knock a ball away that otherwise should have resulted in a first down.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, he's nothing more than a JAG. And to think - he was the #1 receiver on this team for two years!
He wasn't the sole reason they lost today, of course - but he's a pretty big reason. Sy may have to make an exception/expansion to his three duds, but however big that list is, Slayton sure did earn his place on it if he's there.