I’ve never reached this point with the Giants before. I simply don’t care much anymore. This is how I felt about the Knicks 5-10 years ago. I just expect everything they try to do to be a miserable failure
The doctors, at first, said I’d be lucky to make it to the summer of 2025 but I know I’ll surpass that (with ease) and I’m doing my best to keep the cancer at bay. But something tells me I might not live long enough to see winning football from the Giants again. I wonder if I’ll keep watching. I wonder if I care anymore. 45 years of rooting and now this.
Me too...I can't go for that. Giants Blue runs in my veins and I suffer with every loss.......I will come to grips with this tomorrow, but my passion and blind faith runs deep.
I don't see a defense playing physical football. My good we are the GD Giants! Giant fans do not want to see a read and react. Candy ass. Soft as butter defense. We want a defense that plays smack down football.
So we are are not competitive and not fun to watch.
But, I remember the night of the Eagles playoff loss you started a thread saying the arrow was pointing up. I think a lot of us thought it. Sucks how wrong we all were.
The problem was, the suction cup on the arrow wasn't moistened.
I'm not as mad about today as others on here — or, at least, I'm not mad about the same things. The offense was better. Jones played like a competent NFL quarterback. The line is coming together. However, the defense is a disaster. Maybe the light bulb goes on next week for them, maybe not. If not, it's gonna be a long, long season.
I am mad about essentially losing the game because there was no Plan B should 40-year-old Graham Gano get hurt. Though if the receivers made the catches on the 2-point tries that even an average NFL receiver should make, the Giants probably win this game.
To echo some of what's been said by others above: The Giants have been a part of my life since I was a kid. My first season as a fan was 1970. So, those 100 GIants seasons? I've been a fan for more than half of them. My father was a fan another 25 or so before that. (A few days before he died in 2016, we watched the Giants together in his hospital room. They lost.) My great-uncle watched the Giants pretty much since the inception of the team. Said he used to watch from the train platform above the Polo Grounds when he couldn't afford a ticket.
I got through the 70s, though I spent some of that time in college and couldn't watch much. But now I'm 65 years old, I have some health issues, and I don't expect to have that many seasons ahead of me. 10 if I'm lucky. How do I choose to spend my late summer and autumn Sundays, knowing there are probably less than 100 healthy Sundays left? Do I give my scarce time to this badly managed, shabby organization that I no longer enjoy watching? Or do I go for a walk in the woods with my wife, or have family over, or almost anything else? I'm leaning toward almost anything else.
The doctors, at first, said I’d be lucky to make it to the summer of 2025 but I know I’ll surpass that (with ease) and I’m doing my best to keep the cancer at bay. But something tells me I might not live long enough to see winning football from the Giants again. I wonder if I’ll keep watching. I wonder if I care anymore. 45 years of rooting and now this.
I'm sorry Sir. My Dad was a diehard going to games from the Polo Grounds to Giants stadium. Lived at breathed Giants he had a stroke in 2018. He refused to waste his time watching the Giants anymore. He said they STINK and would not watch he died in April 2020 The Giants drove him away
I’m totally numb to the boneheaded decisions and losing. I don’t get mad or upset anymore. Just laugh and expect the absurdly woeful performances. I feel totally disconnected from this team.
I used to live and die by this team. My wife could tell how the Giants did by my mood, but I just can't do it to myself anymore. I just don't let them get to me anymore.
The doctors, at first, said I’d be lucky to make it to the summer of 2025 but I know I’ll surpass that (with ease) and I’m doing my best to keep the cancer at bay. But something tells me I might not live long enough to see winning football from the Giants again. I wonder if I’ll keep watching. I wonder if I care anymore. 45 years of rooting and now this.
John I wish you the best
Greg I actually wanted to start this thread so bravo to you
The last ten plus years have been shit. The end with Reese, The Gettleman nightmare, the horrid coaches, poor line play & Daniel Jones. I've had enough. I'm embarrassed to be a Giants fan and hell I live in Philly and stopped wearing Giants hats because I'm sick of the crap talk.
My feelings towards the Giants has gradually declined and honestly I just don't care what they do. This is the first year I didn't follow camp, watch preseason or read football threads.
The Knicks are getting ready for camp, they're playing exciting ball, contenders and I can't believe I'm saying this. The Knicks are the best run sports franchise in the NYC Metro area.
You want to watch them and keep getting sucked back in... Go for it. Me I'm done
The doctors, at first, said I’d be lucky to make it to the summer of 2025 but I know I’ll surpass that (with ease) and I’m doing my best to keep the cancer at bay. But something tells me I might not live long enough to see winning football from the Giants again. I wonder if I’ll keep watching. I wonder if I care anymore. 45 years of rooting and now this.
Fuck cancer.it got my dad and it sucks. Fight hard and live well. This team isn't worth your time but I do hope they figure it out while you can still enjoy it. God bless and take care.
I clapped for Nabers a couple of times today. That’s it.
My wife said geez you are so quiet.
There is nothing to get excited about.
No QB, a bad defense, a coach and GM most likely on their way out.
The sick part….. it’s only week 2.
The doctors, at first, said I’d be lucky to make it to the summer of 2025 but I know I’ll surpass that (with ease) and I’m doing my best to keep the cancer at bay. But something tells me I might not live long enough to see winning football from the Giants again. I wonder if I’ll keep watching. I wonder if I care anymore. 45 years of rooting and now this.
Awful to read this but hopefully they get a W in Cleveland for you
Thanks to all the extra time I gained back from Mara shot an 81 last Sunday 80 yesterday and 84 today I'm not wasting warm weather on these clowns I didn't even watch the recorded game today who cares
Like many who have eloquently recounted their fandom over decades, I started following the Jints in the 69-70 season. Highs, lows, we've seen them all. I guess as a result, my expectations ae muted relative to those who came into the fold with consistent playoff berths and super bowls. One thing I can say, despite the past and current futility, it is still entertaining - at least to me. I still care but realize the my identity has nothing to do with the Jints but yet they are still a part of me. Apathy is the enemy to all except narcissists.
Between four years of Dave Gettleman and six years of Daniel Jones, the Giants aren't trying to compete for championships. It's completely unserious.
Yep
That's where I've been at for years. It was obvious from Gettlemans intro and post draft press remarks that we had zero chance to win with him. Zero. With Jones, it's not quite zero, but pretty damn close. So if the people who run the organization don't care about winning, why should we care?
Thanks to all the extra time I gained back from Mara shot an 81 last Sunday 80 yesterday and 84 today I'm not wasting warm weather on these clowns I didn't even watch the recorded game today who cares
Seriously, these next few weeks or so are the sweetspot for great weather.
for just how big of a mess Dave Gettleman left. Between bad contracts and bad personnel, and playing in a tough division, I said from the outset when Joe Schoen was hired that it would probably take 3 seasons to clean this up and properly position the team.
I'm not apathetic because the Giants are where I expected them to be at this point. There's a lot of pieces in place already, they just need the right quarterback - and I think they'll be in position to get one before the start of next season.
I’m somewhat down on Schoen but picks like Nabers and Phillips make me think he can still be our GM long term. Plus, he did recognize the Neal fuck up and seemingly had a good plan for the OL.
He took a much worse roster during his first year in 2022 and turned them into a good team; a team that had most of the bounces go their way because their coach created those opportunities. I thought they finally had a guy cut from the same cloth as Parcells who thinks outside the box.
How did that guy have his team come out of training camp totally unprepared...two years in a row?
It’s about a toss-up whether to watch or turn it off at half-time, which I’ve done the past two weeks. But…60 some odd years as a dyed-blue-in-the-wool Giants fan, for the second straight Sunday night I couldn’t sleep, agitated. Maybe there’s a Giants AA near me.
me neither Greg. Growing up in the '70s we couldn't wait
each Sunday. At least they had a good defense and played hard.
This is beyond bad now. They are rudderless. D is getting gashed. I get trading Leonard Williams, but maybe get a run stuffer to play along side Dexter?
I listened on the radio yesterday, and not too intently. Too nice a day to sit inside and get aggravated watching on TV.
My wife says to me while watching the game last week in the 2nd half......"Wow!.....you're not upset? Normally you'd be freaking out and in a bad mood.....what's the change?
and I just answer "Apathy, hon....apathy"....she says "aww, I'm sorry", and I say "don't be...I really really honestly do not care"
That's what they've done to me....and apparently a lot of others as well......It is a sad state of affairs....wow
Lol YouTube was playing highlights and that moron Singletrack (or whatever his stupid name is) had the ball in his hand not near the sidelines? What a dope. What an absolute joke.
and I think I'm cursed to always care, no matter what. it's hard-wired into my brain. it's almost like an autonomic nervous response. I can't NOT cheer if we make a good play and I can't NOT scream at the television when we don't. it's as much a part of who I am as anything else.
but! when it comes to apathy, the thing that worries me the most: my son. he's 10 years old and the only Giants football he's seen has been awful. apathy means that maybe he never becomes as big a fan as me - which could be a good thing for him - but for the Giants, it means breaking that family bond that is what put most of us into this community to begin with.
John Mara is doing more damage than he understands.
Meh. I was 10 years old when the Giants finally won the division in 1997. If he's like me, he'll be more into the Rangers or Yankees, or Knicks during these down years. I remember not particularly caring about what the Giants were doing but I would get kind of excited (well, because it was school and school is useless garbage) around Friday and maybe give the Giants some thought.
Apathy is the correct number here, last year when I was at work we were all standing around and we couldn't figure out who Buffalo was playing. I had no idea, but myself and somebody had to look it up and said "New York Giants" I remember laughing to myself because, as Evan Neal once pointed out, why would a tiger care about a loser?
Or wait, during those Dave Brown years we had Michael Jordan in the NBA so that drew a ton of attention my way.
First Giants game I ever attended was in December of 1996 at the Vet and the Giants lost 24-0. Man I remember those days, the Few older Giants fans I knew wouldn't STFU about the 80s days lol
Season tickets since the 1950’s I watch today game and didn’t really care, I know 100 people will take my place but the giants have sapped me of my interest
I'm not sure there's a 100 people waiting to take your place (or anyone else's). The Giants now have regular season primary ticket availability and are still running ads for season tickets with the season already underway.
It was only a generation ago that the Giants not only sold out the whole building via season tickets, but also had a decades-long waiting list to get season seats. The new stadium and PSAs wiped out the waiting list, and then the subsequent team performance over the past decade took care of the rest.
The 100 people waiting to take your place are just ticket brokers who will sell to visiting fans.
just an observation but seems to me most of the younger generation care more about indiv players (for FF) vs rooting for a particular team... my kids say they are Giants fans (b/c of me) but on Sunday's they watch whatever games their fantasy players are on and care way more about that than how the Giants did (n fact, we mostly make fun of the Giants).
So when apathy sets in for us older folks, who still tend to follow teams and go to the games, I have to think that will lead to real problems for teams like the Giants who are just flat out boring to root for.
I was excited for the Daboll/Schoen era and year 1 proved worth the hype but by week 4-5 last year, I mostly stopped watching... I played golf or went to the beach instead.
This season, I was all geeked up for Week 1 but was quickly deflated (for all the reasons discussed ad nauseum here and elsewhere) and decided to play golf yesterday instead of spending the day indoors watching this flawed team who, if we are being honest, are better served losing than eeking out wins against other bad teams.
Obviously we still care, otherwise we wouldn't be posting on a Giants message board... the fandom in us won't go away (cursed I suppose) but how we act (i.e., watching or going to games) is changing and has changed as the Giants have sunk into the malaise they find themselves.
that the New York Giants can not win....they just can NOT do it......we all didn't believe it for a while.....but now we all know....we know the game is over before the Giants step on the field, so why get all emotional and worked up about it when you know that have no chance?......you can only beat a dead horse so many times before it becomes just a bloody patch in the grass.....that's what the Giants are....a bloody patch in the grass......
Obviously we still care, otherwise we wouldn't be posting on a Giants message board... the fandom in us won't go away (cursed I suppose) but how we act (i.e., watching or going to games) is changing and has changed as the Giants have sunk into the malaise they find themselves.
you're 100% right. it wasn't too long ago that I would spend hundreds or thousands going to games, tailgating, buying merch at the stadium, etc.
now I watch at home on t.v. because I can't bear to spend that kind of money only to watch my team shit the bed over and over.
it's a vicious cycle of losing that perpetuates more misery that perpetuates more losing that we're in right now.
The kids are right. This team is boring garbage. I don't blame them for not wanting any part of this smelly ass juice team and their endless stupidity.
The Giants were not a big draw among my peers either in the early to mid 90s, especially since Dallas was the team to beat during those days.
I think I know just about as many Dallas fans who I went to school with more than Giants fans, if not, more.
I still watch the Giants, but I’ve become like a robot watching them. I don’t get happy or upset. I’m just indifferent.
Also, I’m not ashamed to admit that if it’s a boring/ugly or non competitive game, I’ll tune into something else at the bar.
It is what it is. I’m just glad for YouTube so I can fire up videos of when the Giants were fun to watch.
YouTube is a game changer. I remember going to my mom's house and she was disappointed with me (big surprise) because I didn't know if the Giants won the day they played.
It was 2018 and it was a few weeks after the aforementioned road loss to Philly. It was the day that they beat the Washington Whatevers (when they had Mark Sanchez lol) and I told her, I don't waste my time watching that hot trash. I'd rather sleep in and then check the score later on. What's that quote about not suffering fools gladly?
This was even during the Eli Manning days.
If you were to ask me about a Giants game from 2005-2012, I could probably tell you every little single detail. Hell, even the Jim Fassel says, I could go on.
Why watch that bowl of fart garbage? That Eagle 2018 game blew my mind. I was never really a conspiracy guy but, there was no reason for the Giants to lose that game. None. It really made me think is Pat schermer really that stupid or did he throw that game on purpose to win a bet?
Waste time watching these clowns on TV on a nice day? - forget it.
Playing the game with no kicker ... lol. Giants brass are idiots. I mean, this is like 1962 Mets incompetency in the Giants front office.
Yep
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The doctors, at first, said I’d be lucky to make it to the summer of 2025 but I know I’ll surpass that (with ease) and I’m doing my best to keep the cancer at bay. But something tells me I might not live long enough to see winning football from the Giants again. I wonder if I’ll keep watching. I wonder if I care anymore. 45 years of rooting and now this.
I'll root for you. You sound like a winner to me.
This. Keep fighting brother.
Me too...I can't go for that. Giants Blue runs in my veins and I suffer with every loss.......I will come to grips with this tomorrow, but my passion and blind faith runs deep.
I don't see a defense playing physical football. My good we are the GD Giants! Giant fans do not want to see a read and react. Candy ass. Soft as butter defense. We want a defense that plays smack down football.
So we are are not competitive and not fun to watch.
Pepsi anyone?
I am mad about essentially losing the game because there was no Plan B should 40-year-old Graham Gano get hurt. Though if the receivers made the catches on the 2-point tries that even an average NFL receiver should make, the Giants probably win this game.
To echo some of what's been said by others above: The Giants have been a part of my life since I was a kid. My first season as a fan was 1970. So, those 100 GIants seasons? I've been a fan for more than half of them. My father was a fan another 25 or so before that. (A few days before he died in 2016, we watched the Giants together in his hospital room. They lost.) My great-uncle watched the Giants pretty much since the inception of the team. Said he used to watch from the train platform above the Polo Grounds when he couldn't afford a ticket.
I got through the 70s, though I spent some of that time in college and couldn't watch much. But now I'm 65 years old, I have some health issues, and I don't expect to have that many seasons ahead of me. 10 if I'm lucky. How do I choose to spend my late summer and autumn Sundays, knowing there are probably less than 100 healthy Sundays left? Do I give my scarce time to this badly managed, shabby organization that I no longer enjoy watching? Or do I go for a walk in the woods with my wife, or have family over, or almost anything else? I'm leaning toward almost anything else.
Okay Pat Hanlon.
“Not go your way”?! Are you drunk? It’s been 12 years of dysfunction! Haha!
John I wish you the best
My feelings towards the Giants has gradually declined and honestly I just don't care what they do. This is the first year I didn't follow camp, watch preseason or read football threads.
The Knicks are getting ready for camp, they're playing exciting ball, contenders and I can't believe I'm saying this. The Knicks are the best run sports franchise in the NYC Metro area.
You want to watch them and keep getting sucked back in... Go for it. Me I'm done
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We have the worst fans in the NFL... You're not a fan if you need to have things go your way... complain? Sure. Boooo? sure. Apathy, Get the Fu(k out!
Okay Pat Hanlon.
“Not go your way”?! Are you drunk? It’s been 12 years of dysfunction! Haha!
4X is mad because he hasn't been able to drop all the "i told you so's" he was betting on preseason.
Fuck cancer.it got my dad and it sucks. Fight hard and live well. This team isn't worth your time but I do hope they figure it out while you can still enjoy it. God bless and take care.
My wife said geez you are so quiet.
There is nothing to get excited about.
No QB, a bad defense, a coach and GM most likely on their way out.
The sick part….. it’s only week 2.
Awful to read this but hopefully they get a W in Cleveland for you
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Between four years of Dave Gettleman and six years of Daniel Jones, the Giants aren't trying to compete for championships. It's completely unserious.
Yep
That's where I've been at for years. It was obvious from Gettlemans intro and post draft press remarks that we had zero chance to win with him. Zero. With Jones, it's not quite zero, but pretty damn close. So if the people who run the organization don't care about winning, why should we care?
Seriously, these next few weeks or so are the sweetspot for great weather.
Yeah. But we have been powering through a decade plus of wasted seasons. At some point powering through it gets old.
I'm not apathetic because the Giants are where I expected them to be at this point. There's a lot of pieces in place already, they just need the right quarterback - and I think they'll be in position to get one before the start of next season.
At some point it has to translate to wins.
Daboll has a quite an endeavor ahead of him to keep his job.
Might be a train wreck.
How did that guy have his team come out of training camp totally unprepared...two years in a row?
How did that guy morph into Joe Judge?
A hot two months, and then the book was out.
This is beyond bad now. They are rudderless. D is getting gashed. I get trading Leonard Williams, but maybe get a run stuffer to play along side Dexter?
I listened on the radio yesterday, and not too intently. Too nice a day to sit inside and get aggravated watching on TV.
"I'm apathetic"
My wife says to me while watching the game last week in the 2nd half......"Wow!.....you're not upset? Normally you'd be freaking out and in a bad mood.....what's the change?
and I just answer "Apathy, hon....apathy"....she says "aww, I'm sorry", and I say "don't be...I really really honestly do not care"
That's what they've done to me....and apparently a lot of others as well......It is a sad state of affairs....wow
This is true but why get bent out of shape over garbage football?
but! when it comes to apathy, the thing that worries me the most: my son. he's 10 years old and the only Giants football he's seen has been awful. apathy means that maybe he never becomes as big a fan as me - which could be a good thing for him - but for the Giants, it means breaking that family bond that is what put most of us into this community to begin with.
John Mara is doing more damage than he understands.
Apathy is the correct number here, last year when I was at work we were all standing around and we couldn't figure out who Buffalo was playing. I had no idea, but myself and somebody had to look it up and said "New York Giants" I remember laughing to myself because, as Evan Neal once pointed out, why would a tiger care about a loser?
Or wait, during those Dave Brown years we had Michael Jordan in the NBA so that drew a ton of attention my way.
I'm not sure there's a 100 people waiting to take your place (or anyone else's). The Giants now have regular season primary ticket availability and are still running ads for season tickets with the season already underway.
It was only a generation ago that the Giants not only sold out the whole building via season tickets, but also had a decades-long waiting list to get season seats. The new stadium and PSAs wiped out the waiting list, and then the subsequent team performance over the past decade took care of the rest.
The 100 people waiting to take your place are just ticket brokers who will sell to visiting fans.
So when apathy sets in for us older folks, who still tend to follow teams and go to the games, I have to think that will lead to real problems for teams like the Giants who are just flat out boring to root for.
I was excited for the Daboll/Schoen era and year 1 proved worth the hype but by week 4-5 last year, I mostly stopped watching... I played golf or went to the beach instead.
This season, I was all geeked up for Week 1 but was quickly deflated (for all the reasons discussed ad nauseum here and elsewhere) and decided to play golf yesterday instead of spending the day indoors watching this flawed team who, if we are being honest, are better served losing than eeking out wins against other bad teams.
you're 100% right. it wasn't too long ago that I would spend hundreds or thousands going to games, tailgating, buying merch at the stadium, etc.
now I watch at home on t.v. because I can't bear to spend that kind of money only to watch my team shit the bed over and over.
it's a vicious cycle of losing that perpetuates more misery that perpetuates more losing that we're in right now.
Also, I’m not ashamed to admit that if it’s a boring/ugly or non competitive game, I’ll tune into something else at the bar.
It is what it is. I’m just glad for YouTube so I can fire up videos of when the Giants were fun to watch.
The Giants were not a big draw among my peers either in the early to mid 90s, especially since Dallas was the team to beat during those days.
I think I know just about as many Dallas fans who I went to school with more than Giants fans, if not, more.
Also, I’m not ashamed to admit that if it’s a boring/ugly or non competitive game, I’ll tune into something else at the bar.
It is what it is. I’m just glad for YouTube so I can fire up videos of when the Giants were fun to watch.
YouTube is a game changer. I remember going to my mom's house and she was disappointed with me (big surprise) because I didn't know if the Giants won the day they played.
It was 2018 and it was a few weeks after the aforementioned road loss to Philly. It was the day that they beat the Washington Whatevers (when they had Mark Sanchez lol) and I told her, I don't waste my time watching that hot trash. I'd rather sleep in and then check the score later on. What's that quote about not suffering fools gladly?
This was even during the Eli Manning days.
If you were to ask me about a Giants game from 2005-2012, I could probably tell you every little single detail. Hell, even the Jim Fassel says, I could go on.
Why watch that bowl of fart garbage? That Eagle 2018 game blew my mind. I was never really a conspiracy guy but, there was no reason for the Giants to lose that game. None. It really made me think is Pat schermer really that stupid or did he throw that game on purpose to win a bet?
It really makes me wonder, sometimes.
Now? I'm watching him in his bathrobe on a YouTube ad saying "not today" Mmmmm mmm mmm