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The case for hiring Belichick mid season

Sean : 9/15/2024 8:00 pm
I'm not sure there is any precedent for this, but it's likely Belichick will be sought after within the division after the season. Probably Dallas and maybe Philly. Dallas lost 44-19 today at home to the Saints. We'll see what happens with the Eagles.

I know a lot here want no part of Belichick because of his age. However, if you do want him - wouldn't it be best to get him in the building asap if he'd be open to it? He can get a head start on evaluation and have a head start into the offseason.

Again, I have no idea if it's even possible. But, being proactive could help secure him.
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I fear  
santacruzom : 9/15/2024 8:02 pm : link
That hiring Mike McCarthy is more likely.
RE: I fear  
UConn4523 : 9/15/2024 8:03 pm : link
In comment 16611607 santacruzom said:
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That hiring Mike McCarthy is more likely.


I can’t even imagine that clown with a bad roster and in NY, lol. I’ll just find another team while he’s here if that were to happen.
RE: I fear  
Sean : 9/15/2024 8:03 pm : link
In comment 16611607 santacruzom said:
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That hiring Mike McCarthy is more likely.

At least he has a resume. A lot better than what we've had here post Coughlin. McCarthy and Payton have the same resume, yet only Payton gets the praise.
the biggest reason to do it is the trade deadline  
Eric on Li : 9/15/2024 8:04 pm : link
john doesn't even need to fire anyone - bring him in as president of football opps with total control. everyone reporting to him. gives him 6 weeks to evaluate everyone before trade deadline so he can cash in as many picks as possible.

daboll and a chunk of his staff have even worked under belichick before, so who knows maybe there's a world where he just works as the president without making himself head coach.

i expect this would all end with belichick firing everyone and doing just that, but who knows maybe not? daboll's odds of sticking are going to be a lot better with someone in the organization who knows how to manage a game day roster. and what defense is.
RE: I fear  
Go Terps : 9/15/2024 8:04 pm : link
In comment 16611607 santacruzom said:
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That hiring Mike McCarthy is more likely.


Agree. Though I don't fear it. He's not great but he's a pro, which is more than what we've got now.

I don't see Daboll bring fired this season, if at all.
Vrabel  
sems : 9/15/2024 8:04 pm : link
Or bust. So probably bust.
If I did change coaches, I would hold my water  
bc4life : 9/15/2024 8:06 pm : link
and take a look at some of the young up and comers - Lou Anuromo, former Giants secondary coach is an interesting prospect
McCarthy  
bc4life : 9/15/2024 8:11 pm : link
may not want to coach again. and his playoff performance with that level of talent - pass. Rodgers and several other good players were glad to see him go.
Vrabel  
bc4life : 9/15/2024 8:12 pm : link
seemed to wear out his welcome in Nashville. Based on some of the post-firing comments, Owner perceived a lack of respect form Vrabel. She said she held him in high regard but did not think the feeling was mutual.

Just say no  
section125 : 9/15/2024 8:14 pm : link
the Belichick.
Belichick will be the coach if and when the Giants  
larryflower37 : 9/15/2024 8:15 pm : link
Offer it to him. I can't see Mara not giving him carte blanche to fix the organization.
No chance Belichick wants to work for the crypt keeper.
Mara won’t fire Schoen or Daboll until at least December  
Mike from Ohio : 9/15/2024 8:17 pm : link
Because it isn’t the classy thing to do. If Jones fires McCarthy he will bring in BB and Mara will scoff at his uncouthness while he places a call to Mike McCarthy to come in and coach the team.

We won’t get the best coach, but we will have done right by the employees who got fired which really makes us all winners. /s
RE: Just say no  
Go Terps : 9/15/2024 8:18 pm : link
In comment 16611645 section125 said:
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the Belichick.


Why? You afraid of things looking like a professional fucking football team?

The Giants are dog shit, and we're going to be picky?

What the fuck do we have to lose?
Its a package deal.....  
thrunthrublue : 9/15/2024 8:18 pm : link
The mid season hire theorem allows Lil Bill to not only evaluate the roster but look at the April 24 '25 draft alongside a front row seat to a giants team, lead by JS and BD get as close to a winless season as possible.....that allows justification to jettison the coaching/management and DJ (BUT RETAIN CARMEN BRICILLO HE IS A MIRACLE WORKER) and then, get rolling!
The game has passed  
Dave on the UWS : 9/15/2024 8:20 pm : link
BB by. After he fails, then what does Mara do?
in case people havent noticed the franchise belichick "ruined" is 1-1  
Eric on Li : 9/15/2024 8:21 pm : link
and played 2 tight games against winning teams from last year. under a first year coach that coached under belichick. with jacob brissett at QB and not yet passing for more than 149 yards or 1 td in a game.

there is a real distortion in how easy it should be to get this franchise to be less embarrassing that it is presently.
Bill  
TyreeHelmet : 9/15/2024 8:22 pm : link
Why would Bill want to come here? Let alone mid season?
Never going to happen mid-season  
GFAN52 : 9/15/2024 8:22 pm : link
It's not the Mara's way of doing business.
RE: RE: Just say no  
Greg from LI : 9/15/2024 8:22 pm : link
In comment 16611658 Go Terps said:
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the Belichick.



Why? You afraid of things looking like a professional fucking football team?

The Giants are dog shit, and we're going to be picky?

What the fuck do we have to lose?


The 2023 Patriots didn’t look much different than the Giants.
RE: The game has passed  
Go Terps : 9/15/2024 8:22 pm : link
In comment 16611664 Dave on the UWS said:
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BB by. After he fails, then what does Mara do?


He does the same thing he's been doing. Hires someone else.

We've got a lot of balls saying the game has passed Belichick by when we've got to be one of the dumbest fan bases on earth.
I would go  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/15/2024 8:23 pm : link
back channel and utilize Parcells. Two Bills are very close again. Let Big Bill get a feel for where Little Bill is at.

One of the issues with bringing Bill here may be the Tisch family. If that is true that needs to be addressed first.

I don't think you can hire midseason. Maybe someone can post all the rules/dates, etc.

...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/15/2024 8:23 pm : link
Sean is hammered. Mid season? Ain't happening.

But I think he's our next coach in January.
RE: RE: Just say no  
section125 : 9/15/2024 8:23 pm : link
In comment 16611658 Go Terps said:
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the Belichick.



Why? You afraid of things looking like a professional fucking football team?

The Giants are dog shit, and we're going to be picky?

What the fuck do we have to lose?


He was fired out of NE. He chased his GOAT QB away. He absolutely sucked last couple years and we beat his sorry ass.
He cannot evaluate players anymore.

Wake the eff up. He is as cooked as Bill Cowher.
RE: ...  
Sean : 9/15/2024 8:24 pm : link
In comment 16611678 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Sean is hammered. Mid season? Ain't happening.

But I think he's our next coach in January.

The point is they'll have competition. Dallas is a more desirable situation.
Sean.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/15/2024 8:26 pm : link
The thought of BB coming home to coach the Giants is so strong. He wants it. Mara definitely wants it.
The Giants would NEVER do this  
BH28 : 9/15/2024 8:26 pm : link
Daboll would have to pull a Costanza for this to be even a remote possibility. Giants don't operate this way. Not saying they shouldn't consider it, but it'll never happen.
no one  
4xchamps : 9/15/2024 8:27 pm : link
is getting fired mid-season
didnt a whole roster of players he evaluated beat burrow last week?  
Eric on Li : 9/15/2024 8:27 pm : link
and go to OT vs seattle today? including his defensive coordinator who got promoted to head coach and elliot wolf who he hired in 2020?

NE didnt even add that many free agents. Brissett was the most expensive guy they signed, and he's obviously played over their first round pick (maye).
RE: no one  
Sean : 9/15/2024 8:28 pm : link
In comment 16611688 4xchamps said:
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is getting fired mid-season

This team could be 0-8.
Vrabel  
Jay on the Island : 9/15/2024 8:29 pm : link
unless Harbaugh becomes available. The Giants need a tough HC to right the ship and Vrabel would be a great option.
RE: RE: Just say no  
IchabodGiant : 9/15/2024 8:29 pm : link
In comment 16611658 Go Terps said:
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In comment 16611645 section125 said:


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the Belichick.



Why? You afraid of things looking like a professional fucking football team?

The Giants are dog shit, and we're going to be picky?

What the fuck do we have to lose?


EXACTLY
why is everyone saying the giants don't operate that way?  
JJ2525 : 9/15/2024 8:32 pm : link
Didn't Mara fire Reese and McAdoo mid-season? If they're 0-8, all bets are off.
RE: Vrabel  
Sean : 9/15/2024 8:34 pm : link
In comment 16611694 Jay on the Island said:
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unless Harbaugh becomes available. The Giants need a tough HC to right the ship and Vrabel would be a great option.

I agree here. I want someone on the defensive side of the ball. I'm tired of all these OC hires.
RE: Just say no  
56goat : 9/15/2024 8:43 pm : link
In comment 16611645 section125 said:
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the Belichick.


BB may not be the savior, but I'd bet money if BB was the HC we would have had a fucking kicker today.
RE: RE: Just say no  
Eric on Li : 9/15/2024 8:48 pm : link
In comment 16611732 56goat said:
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the Belichick.



BB may not be the savior, but I'd bet money if BB was the HC we would have had a fucking kicker today.


a kicker and a defense. he coached a top half defense last year, something we havent seen since 2020 and before that 2016.
no one has been beating the hire Belichick drum more than me  
djm : 9/15/2024 8:54 pm : link
But that was approx 3-4 years ago. And this is not an ageism thing at all. I just don’t know if he’s still got the chops for it. We also don’t even know if he wants to come here.

You would have to do it but why does it feel so dangerous.

If you want reasons to be hopeful that he can turn it around here remember coughlin had a bad finish in Jacksonville before coming to the Giants in 2004. Andy Reid had a bad finish in Philly, etc. etc.
He also lost two of  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/15/2024 8:54 pm : link
his best D players early.
I mean you’d have to do it  
djm : 9/15/2024 9:03 pm : link
You give Bill keys to the city and you hope for the fucking best.
Does he want to coach again  
AROCK1000 : 9/15/2024 9:06 pm : link
?
RE: RE: I fear  
Section331 : 9/15/2024 9:07 pm : link
In comment 16611614 Sean said:
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That hiring Mike McCarthy is more likely.


At least he has a resume. A lot better than what we've had here post Coughlin. McCarthy and Payton have the same resume, yet only Payton gets the praise.


I’d rather go with another overhyped coordinator than a retread like McCarthy. He’s on his 3rd HOF QB, and he’s got one SB to show for it. He’s is the ultimate mail it in coach, his teams regularly beat up on inferior teams, but when up against similar comp are usually unprepared.
RE: why is everyone saying the giants don't operate that way?  
BH28 : 9/15/2024 9:09 pm : link
In comment 16611702 JJ2525 said:
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Didn't Mara fire Reese and McAdoo mid-season? If they're 0-8, all bets are off.


It was after 12 games and when the team had clearly quit. It's not like they are going to hire BB to come in at 0-8. More than likely they would elevate a coordinator as they can't scrap their entire off-season game plan mid-season.

You can argue they should implement a new system at 0-8, but that's not how shit works in reality. Somebody is going to have to check the rest of the season and it would probably be a coordinator.
RE: the biggest reason to do it is the trade deadline  
Section331 : 9/15/2024 9:10 pm : link
In comment 16611617 Eric on Li said:
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john doesn't even need to fire anyone - bring him in as president of football opps with total control. everyone reporting to him. gives him 6 weeks to evaluate everyone before trade deadline so he can cash in as many picks as possible.

daboll and a chunk of his staff have even worked under belichick before, so who knows maybe there's a world where he just works as the president without making himself head coach.

i expect this would all end with belichick firing everyone and doing just that, but who knows maybe not? daboll's odds of sticking are going to be a lot better with someone in the organization who knows how to manage a game day roster. and what defense is.


I don’t want BB as a HC, but this scenario is one I think could work. I like the idea of BB as PFO, I’d be OK if he felt Daboll was fine as HC, but Schoen might have to go.
What about Parcells as GM?  
kelly : 9/15/2024 9:15 pm : link
Desperate times call for desperate measures
RE: the biggest reason to do it is the trade deadline  
Mike from Ohio : 9/15/2024 9:15 pm : link
In comment 16611617 Eric on Li said:
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john doesn't even need to fire anyone - bring him in as president of football opps with total control. everyone reporting to him. gives him 6 weeks to evaluate everyone before trade deadline so he can cash in as many picks as possible.

daboll and a chunk of his staff have even worked under belichick before, so who knows maybe there's a world where he just works as the president without making himself head coach.

i expect this would all end with belichick firing everyone and doing just that, but who knows maybe not? daboll's odds of sticking are going to be a lot better with someone in the organization who knows how to manage a game day roster. and what defense is.


I like this idea. There needs to be someone advising Mara how to run this team, and he would listen to BB. Bring him in now without firing anyone, and let him evaluate the rest of the year. Whatever he decides need to be done is what is done.

Letting Mara fire Schoen and Daboll and hire two new guys on his own is a process we know doesn’t work.
RE: Does he want to coach again  
Section331 : 9/15/2024 9:16 pm : link
In comment 16611774 AROCK1000 said:
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I have no doubt he does. He interviewed for IIRC 3 jobs this past offseason. I just don’t see NYG as being a fit for him.
RE: RE: Does he want to coach again  
Mike from Ohio : 9/15/2024 9:21 pm : link
In comment 16611791 Section331 said:
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I have no doubt he does. He interviewed for IIRC 3 jobs this past offseason. I just don’t see NYG as being a fit for him.


It should be a fit for him because they should give him the keys and tell him he has the authority to do whatever is necessary. Mara can’t run this team successfully. That has to be apparent to everyone. Someone needs to come in and do it and just let him know what is happening.

That includes letting Chris Mara and the Nephew go if he wants.
RE: What about Parcells as GM?  
Greg from LI : 9/15/2024 9:22 pm : link
In comment 16611788 kelly said:
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Desperate times call for desperate measures


He’s 83
Why do you waste brain cells talking about things  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/15/2024 9:23 pm : link
That have no possibility of happening?

You know that is not how this franchise operates.
RE: Why do you waste brain cells talking about things  
Mike from Ohio : 9/15/2024 9:37 pm : link
In comment 16611801 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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That have no possibility of happening?

You know that is not how this franchise operates.


Because thinking about how this franchise actually operates is depressing.
Belichick as President  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/15/2024 9:44 pm : link
might want to hire Flores.....
Flores was with him a very long time. Worked in personnel as well.

I think Bill will want to coach.
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