I'm not sure there is any precedent for this, but it's likely Belichick will be sought after within the division after the season. Probably Dallas and maybe Philly. Dallas lost 44-19 today at home to the Saints. We'll see what happens with the Eagles.
I know a lot here want no part of Belichick because of his age. However, if you do want him - wouldn't it be best to get him in the building asap if he'd be open to it? He can get a head start on evaluation and have a head start into the offseason.
Again, I have no idea if it's even possible. But, being proactive could help secure him.
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That have no possibility of happening?
You know that is not how this franchise operates.
Because thinking about how this franchise actually operates is depressing.
Is this embarrassment not eating at Mara? This team is his blood, something tells me he could be reaching the point of doing something we don't expect him to do
Dabol in his 3rd season has TWO !!!
I don't see this season goin well and SOMETHING is going to happen/change. Do you think little bill and Schoen could work well with each other?
idk, lots of scenarios out there.
he wants them to be bono, he hates that they are bozos. and that he fell for the banana in the tailpipe again. at this point im sure he feels even more helpless to make the right choice than we feel he is. he thought he got it right 3 different times after encouraging 1st years from mcadoo, judge, daboll. most of us did too. which only shows how hard it is to get these hires right.
unlike all those other times there is a coach out there who wants to coach and owns a lifetime winning% over .600. and 8 rings. his first 2 of them with this organization.
that is an easy button that has never existed before and will never exist again. maybe im huffing optimism but i think there's a meaningful enough chance he pushes it. john is 69 years old. there is nothing left to lose. if nothing else it gets the stink off him for a few years.
I agree with what you said, Eric. Mara hates losing. The problem is that I don’t know if he hates it more than he would hate abandoning the way he has always done thing and the way his father did it. I think he holds that stuff sacrosanct.
Before we hired Tom Coughlin, he face planted with the Jaguars after much less success than Belichik had before he face planted.
daboll and a chunk of his staff have even worked under belichick before, so who knows maybe there's a world where he just works as the president without making himself head coach.
i expect this would all end with belichick firing everyone and doing just that, but who knows maybe not? daboll's odds of sticking are going to be a lot better with someone in the organization who knows how to manage a game day roster. and what defense is.
Belichik wants total control but he wasn't good at every aspect of the job when he was in his 40s and 50s, and he can't possibly have as much stamina or mental acuity nowadays. He might fire everyone but he also might have trouble attracting young coaching talent. It's not like his guys have prospered after their time with him. And I don't want to see Matt Patricia or Joe Judge anywhere near the Giants.
We are clinging to broken row boats in the middle of the ocean with little hope of rescue.
Someone may need to intercede like Rozelle.
I agree with what you said, Eric. Mara hates losing. The problem is that I don’t know if he hates it more than he would hate abandoning the way he has always done thing and the way his father did it. I think he holds that stuff sacrosanct.
So I guess only 5-6 more years of failure for John to match his father, then hope Roger Goodell publicly scolds him for being a fucking embarrassment.
Also why would Bill bother himself taking over mid season? He doesn't need to babysit this team.
I agree with what you said, Eric. Mara hates losing. The problem is that I don’t know if he hates it more than he would hate abandoning the way he has always done thing and the way his father did it. I think he holds that stuff sacrosanct.
i think he used to but at this point he has to realize it doesnt matter.
he trusted reese on mcadoo > coughlin.
he trusted ernie on dg.
he abandoned his old ways to hire schoen, then let him bring over daboll instead of his preferred flores for "alignment". and now thats crashing/burning spectacularly. his worst fears probably again realized tomorrow with 2 or 3 more tds for barkley w philly down brown. while his new cheaper rb had a big fumble.
the kicker thing alone is borderline fireable. if belichick was in the building already they win yesterday. im not sure how much longer he'll be able sleep comfortably knowing he's a phone call away.
this is morbid, but if you had a rare form of cancer where different drs tried different things that didnt work, would you accept that or would you reach out to the most accomplished specialist who also happens to be someone you have a relationship with and eagerly wants to practice medicine again? there is nothing left to lose.
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john doesn't even need to fire anyone - bring him in as president of football opps with total control. everyone reporting to him. gives him 6 weeks to evaluate everyone before trade deadline so he can cash in as many picks as possible.
daboll and a chunk of his staff have even worked under belichick before, so who knows maybe there's a world where he just works as the president without making himself head coach.
i expect this would all end with belichick firing everyone and doing just that, but who knows maybe not? daboll's odds of sticking are going to be a lot better with someone in the organization who knows how to manage a game day roster. and what defense is.
Belichik was always good at acquiring picks but he was a terrible drafter. He was very good at spotting undervalued veteran players that he could fit into his system, so guys would come there and excel after being mediocre elsewhere. But his drafts were bad. That was masked by all the winning, but if the Giants drafted like BB did, BBIers would be out for blood.
Belichik wants total control but he wasn't good at every aspect of the job when he was in his 40s and 50s, and he can't possibly have as much stamina or mental acuity nowadays. He might fire everyone but he also might have trouble attracting young coaching talent. It's not like his guys have prospered after their time with him. And I don't want to see Matt Patricia or Joe Judge anywhere near the Giants.
belichick wasnt a bad drafter, he just didnt do as well as the sum of the picks he acquired. and even if he wasnt making the most of his picks he always found enough talent to field competitive teams and defenses.
the roster he left in NE looks plenty competitive even w brissett at qb. and his former dc as hc. and wolf at gm who he hired too.
I will excitedly admit I am wrong if BB (or anyone) comes in here outside of the traditional structure to which this organization clings.
his 2021 and 2022 classes look ok too even though they aren't yet in the chart because they havent yet hit UFA (barmore, stevenson, the jones').
I will excitedly admit I am wrong if BB (or anyone) comes in here outside of the traditional structure to which this organization clings.
i dont trust john mara to do the smartest thing, but i think there's a reasonable chance he does the desperate and easy thing - which in this case happens to be the right thing.
when ernie was still with it, he had no problem hiring him to help advise on searches. when he wasn't, he went outside that. i dont know what belichick prefers but i think whatever it is mara should be desperate enough to give it to him.
in a perfect world i actually would prefer that he is more the president/GM big picture guy and Daboll does enough in his eyes to remain as HC because I like Daboll, and i think he and BB have complimentary skill sets. Daboll appears pretty good with Qbs but bad at roster management and defense - the 2 things belichick is great at. But belichick may want to be a coach so he can go for the record. id give him whatever he wants and total control, and whatever that is i think it'd be appealing to him to be able to start asap and get a jump on his 2025 offseason by possibly cashing in anyone he doesnt want at the trade deadline.
Belichick could end up with five Hall of Famers he drafted. Seymour is in. Brady will be in. Gronk will be in.
Chandler Jones has a very good chance of getting in. And so does Wilfork. Edelman might have an interesting case, too.
Joe Thuney is a great G that he drafted.
I know he went sideways, but Hernandez was a terrific TE.
I think one of his strengths has been OL and DB
At OL, he's picked Thuney, Mason, Solder (he was good before he came to NYG), Mankins, Light, Andrews, Vollmer, Stork, etc.
At DB, he picked Samuel, Hobbs, Meriweather, Chung, McCourty, Ryan, Harmon, Butler. And I think these young guys Dugger and Gonzalez are going to be valuable pieces for Mayo going forward.
But there are more good players I could name. I just don't think accurate or fair to say he was a terrible drafter. It's just not true.
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Belichik was always good at acquiring picks but he was a terrible drafter. He was very good at spotting undervalued veteran players that he could fit into his system, so guys would come there and excel after being mediocre elsewhere. But his drafts were bad.
Belichick could end up with five Hall of Famers he drafted. Seymour is in. Brady will be in. Gronk will be in.
Chandler Jones has a very good chance of getting in. And so does Wilfork. Edelman might have an interesting case, too.
Joe Thuney is a great G that he drafted.
I know he went sideways, but Hernandez was a terrific TE.
I think one of his strengths has been OL and DB
At OL, he's picked Thuney, Mason, Solder (he was good before he came to NYG), Mankins, Light, Andrews, Vollmer, Stork, etc.
At DB, he picked Samuel, Hobbs, Meriweather, Chung, McCourty, Ryan, Harmon, Butler. And I think these young guys Dugger and Gonzalez are going to be valuable pieces for Mayo going forward.
But there are more good players I could name. I just don't think accurate or fair to say he was a terrible drafter. It's just not true.
you can also add jc jackson, malcolm butler, jack jones, marcus jones, onwenu who just got a big contract, and barmore who they just extended. his poor drafting is way overstated.
i can understand preferring vrabel because he is younger and was also successful. and is the exact same style coach.
but he also brings zero GM/FO experience to the table and his track record drafting (albeit as HC not GM) is even shoddier than belichick's. remember isaiah wilson that OT who crapped out of the NFL right away? vrabel drafted him in the first round. and caleb farley. and treylon burks. his qb picks of levis and willis werent great either.
so i think my conclusion is if they are going in that direction anyway, why not go for the original? why not go for the guy who has the skillset to totally change the way the entire football ops works? and whose program has a history of helping teach effective head coaches (including Vrabel himself)?
I'd still do this mid season move though. If we are going to suck, we might as well do some weird of crazy stuff.
This will probably replace “Smart, Tough, Dependable” on all of the walls in the facility.
I'd still do this mid season move though. If we are going to suck, we might as well do some weird of crazy stuff.
by what credible measure are you considering BB's teams "one of the worst teams in the nfl"? 1 bad season where he made a really arrogant decision to try to let patricia/judge dress up as offensive coordinators and scored the least points in the NFL (other than carolina)?
if you look at the points against column his defenses were quite good each of the last 4 seasons. nyg gave up 407 last year, 371 the year before, and 416 the year before that.
Whatever the case, my expectation is the Giants cobble some meaningless wins together after Halloween and they run it back with everyone.
But yeah this is me saying hell yeah I'm on board for Belichick if he's an option.
And his drafting did decline once he parted ways with Ernie Adams as his shadow GM.
Nonetheless, he'd be a marked improvement over what we have now.
Whatever the case, my expectation is the Giants cobble some meaningless wins together after Halloween and they run it back with everyone.
But yeah this is me saying hell yeah I'm on board for Belichick if he's an option.
No he would not have ignored the kicker situation, absolutely not. Probably would have had the punter kickoff and saved Gano for points attempts - at worst.
Then again, for two or three years(probably more) he refused to get Brady legit NFL WRs. So one(two with last year) game(s) malfeasance vs a few seasons.....You cannot ignore his bullheaded refusal to get Brady weapons.
9-19-1 since the 6-1 start in 2022.
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Mara’s not going to fire them and do this all over again. At least not yet.
9-19-1 since the 6-1 start in 2022.
Yes because the 6-1 start doesn't count.....
Right now this place is where coaches and free agents come if they want to commit career suicide. Bill does not care about that but it is an indication of what Bill will be dealing with
It is not the same organization that Bill remembers. Back then it was a team run by a professional in George Young. Now we are back to the Mara run nightmare that some of us lived through in the 70's
That's really all that matters
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Mara’s not going to fire them and do this all over again. At least not yet.
9-19-1 since the 6-1 start in 2022.
Yes because the 6-1 start doesn't count.....
It doesn’t. That was almost two years ago at this point
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Would Belichick have treated the kicking game with the neglect and disrespect that Daboll did today?
Whatever the case, my expectation is the Giants cobble some meaningless wins together after Halloween and they run it back with everyone.
But yeah this is me saying hell yeah I'm on board for Belichick if he's an option.
No he would not have ignored the kicker situation, absolutely not. Probably would have had the punter kickoff and saved Gano for points attempts - at worst.
Then again, for two or three years(probably more) he refused to get Brady legit NFL WRs. So one(two with last year) game(s) malfeasance vs a few seasons.....You cannot ignore his bullheaded refusal to get Brady weapons.
? he had gronk/edelman the entire time brady was there at the end, before that obviously the welker/moss years. jakobi meyers was even a solid edelman replacement he found right before edelman retired.
his worst offseason was the year he signed agholor, henry, jonu smith and drafted nkeal harry/tyquan thornton, so yes at the end he failed at getting good weapons but it wasnt a bullheaded refusal. he just made some bad picks (which are fair game to criticize, just as it is fair game to criticize his arrogant appointment of judge/patricia to OC). he is not an offensive genius and that would be the area where you'd hope he is coming in with some kind of better plan and learning from what went wrong in NE.
but aside from that he'd be coming in as a major upgrade literally everywhere else. defense, special teams, draft, game management, roster management, etc. with BB sam darnold doesnt shred them like montana and they win yesterday just bc they avoid the kicker fiasco.
If we change coaches I'd want a younger guy who can relate to the players more. I like Vrabel, or someone like him
So, he looked like a very good prospect in their pipeline. But he suffered a knee injury that never healed properly, and he had to retire after two years.
THAT was our mistake. He was there and we wiffed.
So, he looked like a very good prospect in their pipeline. But he suffered a knee injury that never healed properly, and he had to retire after two years.
he also found jakobi meyers as a UDFA in 2019 and last year demorio douglas.
you can definitely look at his draft resume and find some bad early picks (like nkeal harry in that same year, 2019) but for every bad early pick he had he also consistently found quality players later on. jonathan jones and marcus jones are both quality corners he found outside rounds 1/2. last year they tagged dugger and gave onwenu a ton of $. godchaux, barmore, bentley too.
the numbers dont lie he was a solid drafter.
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Mara’s not going to fire them and do this all over again. At least not yet.
9-19-1 since the 6-1 start in 2022.
Yes because the 6-1 start doesn't count.....
It's evident now that that start was a mixture of luck (both scheduling and on the field) and the league not having film on what the Giants were doing.
What I'm not seeing from the people knocking Belichick - who's a better option? I'll buy Vrabel, but after that I don't see any obvious better choices.
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is Malcom Mitchell. He was their 4th round pick in 2016 and steadily improved his rookie year. He even played a big role in the Super Bowl comeback against ATL with 6 catches/70 yards.
So, he looked like a very good prospect in their pipeline. But he suffered a knee injury that never healed properly, and he had to retire after two years.
he also found jakobi meyers as a UDFA in 2019 and last year demorio douglas.
you can definitely look at his draft resume and find some bad early picks (like nkeal harry in that same year, 2019) but for every bad early pick he had he also consistently found quality players later on. jonathan jones and marcus jones are both quality corners he found outside rounds 1/2. last year they tagged dugger and gave onwenu a ton of $. godchaux, barmore, bentley too.
the numbers dont lie he was a solid drafter.
Based on his drafting, the way he used free agency, and the way he moved players before their expiration dates (Seymour, Malloy, etc), a sound argument can be made that BB is the best GM of all-time, especially in the cap era.
The real reason he is getting this heavy criticism is the struggle to replace Brady. The Cam Newton experiment failed. Mac Jones fell apart. Zappe wasn't the answer. Etc.
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Mara’s not going to fire them and do this all over again. At least not yet.
9-19-1 since the 6-1 start in 2022.
Yes because the 6-1 start doesn't count.....
It's evident now that that start was a mixture of luck (both scheduling and on the field) and the league not having film on what the Giants were doing.
What I'm not seeing from the people knocking Belichick - who's a better option? I'll buy Vrabel, but after that I don't see any obvious better choices.
I'm not knocking the concept of brining them in, it's the whole mid-season component of it in the OP. It would be fairly unprecedented, and take a lot of conviction by the FO - neither which instills a lot of confidence.
The chaos of having a new system, a coach trying to bring in new coaches over the last half of the season, it just seems infeasible.
The more likely scenario would be if the Giants fire Daboll before the end of the season would be to elevate an assistant coach and then hire BB or Vrabel the second the season ends.
It’s mind blogging. It’s basically the same as the insanely hot chick but weird thumbs.
Belichick is literally the best coach in history. We are fucking fortunate to even have a shot at him. He can coach 4 years or more if in good health, right the ship, set up a proper succession plan, and finish at HOME with the Giants as the all-time winningest coach in history. THAT would be a storybook ending for Bill and for us, a storybook beginning.
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Mara’s not going to fire them and do this all over again. At least not yet.
9-19-1 since the 6-1 start in 2022.
Yes because the 6-1 start doesn't count.....
It's evident now that that start was a mixture of luck (both scheduling and on the field) and the league not having film on what the Giants were doing.
What I'm not seeing from the people knocking Belichick - who's a better option? I'll buy Vrabel, but after that I don't see any obvious better choices.
this is the age old problem that applies to everywhere a bad team is bad, but especially the most important positions. there are rarely any readily available, obvious, better options.
right now is the exception to that with both BB and Vrabel out there, and for many even that's not good enough because there's a unicorn they cant name hiding somewhere. and after 10 years of strikeouts john mara is due to find it!
He cannot be unilaterally brought in from the outside as GM or head coach without a competitive process that adheres to the Rooney rules.
And if he's brought in at an executive or leadership level he'll never be able to be GM or coach.
Even if Mara went full fuck you to the league, imagine the blowback if Belichick the executive hires Belichick to be GM or head coach.
The right answer is the Giants will conduct a normal hiring process at the conclusion of the season.
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is Malcom Mitchell. He was their 4th round pick in 2016 and steadily improved his rookie year. He even played a big role in the Super Bowl comeback against ATL with 6 catches/70 yards.
So, he looked like a very good prospect in their pipeline. But he suffered a knee injury that never healed properly, and he had to retire after two years.
he also found jakobi meyers as a UDFA in 2019 and last year demorio douglas.
you can definitely look at his draft resume and find some bad early picks (like nkeal harry in that same year, 2019) but for every bad early pick he had he also consistently found quality players later on. jonathan jones and marcus jones are both quality corners he found outside rounds 1/2. last year they tagged dugger and gave onwenu a ton of $. godchaux, barmore, bentley too.
the numbers dont lie he was a solid drafter.
Based on his drafting, the way he used free agency, and the way he moved players before their expiration dates (Seymour, Malloy, etc), a sound argument can be made that BB is the best GM of all-time, especially in the cap era.
The real reason he is getting this heavy criticism is the struggle to replace Brady. The Cam Newton experiment failed. Mac Jones fell apart. Zappe wasn't the answer. Etc.
i'm no mcdaniels fan, but in mac's rookie year he got a pro bowl year and 10 wins out of him. that got mcdaniels the head coaching job in vegas.
so even post-brady, it's not like Belichick's drafting/development/offense was all awful. we have seen many good head coaches have trouble replacing their successful coordinators before. even in 2022 with mac regressing under BOB, they went 8-9. Not awful. If our current regime did that this year we'd be largely impressed by that!
where belichick can rightly get criticized for arrogance was the patricia/judge thing last year. that was a joke. it was basically him driving around bob krafts favorite strip mall with a lomardi trophy tied behind the car. and that directly led to his only season since 2000 under 7 wins. somehow that 1 season (and i guess the doc) has voided everything he ever accomplished. terrible gm, ruined the NE franchise (which isnt ruined and is run entirely by people he hired), etc.
He cannot be unilaterally brought in from the outside as GM or head coach without a competitive process that adheres to the Rooney rules.
And if he's brought in at an executive or leadership level he'll never be able to be GM or coach.
Even if Mara went full fuck you to the league, imagine the blowback if Belichick the executive hires Belichick to be GM or head coach.
The right answer is the Giants will conduct a normal hiring process at the conclusion of the season.
nothing is stopping john mara from hiring him as a consultant right now. or naming him chief strategy officer like paul depodesta in cleveland. they have a gm and they have a head coach, there is no need to run searches on either of those 2 positions.
and if the day after that they wanted to fire daboll, im pretty sure they can hire whoever they want as interim coach without any process. that's exactly how the colts hhired jeff saturday in-season despite having 0 prior coaching experience. he had a relationship with irsay, history with the team, and had some kind of prior consulting relationship.
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I posted this in a subsequent thread, the reason Belichick will not be hired mid-season is the absolute mess it would make of the fair hiring practices requirements.
He cannot be unilaterally brought in from the outside as GM or head coach without a competitive process that adheres to the Rooney rules.
And if he's brought in at an executive or leadership level he'll never be able to be GM or coach.
Even if Mara went full fuck you to the league, imagine the blowback if Belichick the executive hires Belichick to be GM or head coach.
The right answer is the Giants will conduct a normal hiring process at the conclusion of the season.
nothing is stopping john mara from hiring him as a consultant right now. or naming him chief strategy officer like paul depodesta in cleveland. they have a gm and they have a head coach, there is no need to run searches on either of those 2 positions.
and if the day after that they wanted to fire daboll, im pretty sure they can hire whoever they want as interim coach without any process. that's exactly how the colts hhired jeff saturday in-season despite having 0 prior coaching experience. he had a relationship with irsay, history with the team, and had some kind of prior consulting relationship.
I don't think the way Irsay runs his franchise is even comparable to what Mara would do. Hiring BB right now as a consultant would be extremely undermining for both Schoen and Daboll and I can't ever see Mara doing that. Just look at how they let DG ride off into the sunset.
He cannot be unilaterally brought in from the outside as GM or head coach without a competitive process that adheres to the Rooney rules.
And if he's brought in at an executive or leadership level he'll never be able to be GM or coach.
Even if Mara went full fuck you to the league, imagine the blowback if Belichick the executive hires Belichick to be GM or head coach.
The right answer is the Giants will conduct a normal hiring process at the conclusion of the season.
nothing is stopping john mara from hiring him as a consultant right now. or naming him chief strategy officer like paul depodesta in cleveland. they have a gm and they have a head coach, there is no need to run searches on either of those 2 positions.
and if the day after that they wanted to fire daboll, im pretty sure they can hire whoever they want as interim coach without any process. that's exactly how the colts hhired jeff saturday in-season despite having 0 prior coaching experience. he had a relationship with irsay, history with the team, and had some kind of prior consulting relationship.
To be clear, yes, technically the Giants can bring in an interim candidate mid-year and not be subject to the Rooney rules. I believe as part of a transition from interim to permanent those rules would then apply. In practicality, that would create a shit storm and a mess for the Giants. Imagine the blowback in these two scenarios:
1) The Giants fire Daboll and/or Schoen and either is replaced in an interim capacity by a guy who is likely to be subpoenaed in a current legal action re: violation of fair hiring practices
2) The Giants hire Belichick in an executive or consultative capacity and then he hires himself as GM or head coach
I don't think the way Irsay runs his franchise is even comparable to what Mara would do. Hiring BB right now as a consultant would be extremely undermining for both Schoen and Daboll and I can't ever see Mara doing that. Just look at how they let DG ride off into the sunset.
right because hiring jeff saturday who has never coached a game before at any level and bill belichick who is the winningest coach of the modern era are exactly the same thing.
you know what's extremely undermining to schoen/daboll? making excuses about injury luck when their active roster easily could have had a 2nd kicker on it but they made an elementary mistake that cost their players a win for the 2nd time in the last 10 games played.
if im mara im not worried about undermining them when they are already doing a bang up job by themselves.
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I don't think the way Irsay runs his franchise is even comparable to what Mara would do. Hiring BB right now as a consultant would be extremely undermining for both Schoen and Daboll and I can't ever see Mara doing that. Just look at how they let DG ride off into the sunset.
right because hiring jeff saturday who has never coached a game before at any level and bill belichick who is the winningest coach of the modern era are exactly the same thing.
you know what's extremely undermining to schoen/daboll? making excuses about injury luck when their active roster easily could have had a 2nd kicker on it but they made an elementary mistake that cost their players a win for the 2nd time in the last 10 games played.
if im mara im not worried about undermining them when they are already doing a bang up job by themselves.
When did I ever compare BB to Jeff Saturday? You are the one who is using the Colt's decision to hire Saturday as justification to hire BB now.
All I am saying is that the Colt's decision was fairly unpredented by an owner who has some personal issues and that is not the way the Giants operate.
Why would the Giants do this when they can just hire him in the off-season and side step all in the in-season drama it would cause? What tactical advantage would it give them? They would be doing a reboot in 2025 off-season anyway under BB.
1) The Giants fire Daboll and/or Schoen and either is replaced in an interim capacity by a guy who is likely to be subpoenaed in a current legal action re: violation of fair hiring practices
2) The Giants hire Belichick in an executive or consultative capacity and then he hires himself as GM or head coach
hire him as a consultant and go from there.
if they can get an hour long zoom with him on saturdays that helps stop making kindergarten level mistakes like the kicker fiasco so they win a few more games, maybe nobody gets fired at all and there are no searches.
if circumstances dictate that he becomes an interim this year, which i doubt would happen because there's no point and he'd probably rather "soft tank" to set himself with as much draft value as possible for next year, then so be it. after the season you fire whoever you need to fire and conduct a full search that complies with all rules. of course it'd be pretty close to certain that he's going to be hired in some capacity but that doesn't break any rules. maybe he'd prefer at that point to be GM and hire his buddy Vrabel as head coach, or maybe he'd prefer to stay on as coach only and hire one of his other buddies as GM? unless anyone can crawl inside his head we dont even know what his ideal role is going forward wherever he lands, beyond probably wanting final say. just take away his phone and dont let him send any text messages.