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'25GiantsPride : 9/15/2024 8:31 pm
In 12 years. Our NY Giants are 0-2. Let that sink in.
In today's  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2024 8:34 pm : link
NFL, that's actually hard to do.

But the Giants really work at it.
Hard to do  
jvm52106 : 9/15/2024 8:36 pm : link
Is scoring 3 Tds and still not making it to 20pts and then not allowing an opposition TD and still giving up 21 points..
At what point does John Mara  
Mike from Ohio : 9/15/2024 8:39 pm : link
Think to himself “what we have always done is no longer working?”

“The Giants Way” has become synonymous with futility. Even he has to see that, right?
RE: Hard to do  
larryflower37 : 9/15/2024 8:40 pm : link
In comment 16611716 jvm52106 said:
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Is scoring 3 Tds and still not making it to 20pts and then not allowing an opposition TD and still giving up 21 points..


First team in history to score 3 TDs and not give up TD and lose
12 years ago the Tisch family was giddy  
arniefez : 9/15/2024 8:49 pm : link
with 2 Super Bowl wins in 4 years, they let their guard down while they partying on both coasts and allowed John Mara to install his brother as senior vice president of player personnel title on par with the GM he always wanted and he installed his nephew, who is now the director of player personnel, into the player personnel department at the same time.

According to Ernie Accorsi’s biography George Young once said “We can’t have any fire-proof heads of player personnel.”

Soon to be 4 GMs and 6 HCs later here we are. Another season checking the draft order in September for Giants fans after 12 years and counting of fire proof heads of player personnel with no end in sight.
RE: At what point does John Mara  
GiantGrit : 9/15/2024 8:54 pm : link
In comment 16611725 Mike from Ohio said:
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Think to himself “what we have always done is no longer working?”

“The Giants Way” has become synonymous with futility. Even he has to see that, right?


I could actually buy this regime was the breakaway from that but the rot was so bad that it was always going to be the follow up regime to bring in success. Schoen and Daboll don't feel like the Giants way to me. Different but unsuccessful.
Schoen bragged they were a package deal  
jwb50 : 9/15/2024 9:06 pm : link
Both need to be fired Mara will keep talking head Schoen
RE: 12 years ago the Tisch family was giddy  
Section331 : 9/15/2024 9:19 pm : link
In comment 16611740 arniefez said:
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with 2 Super Bowl wins in 4 years, they let their guard down while they partying on both coasts and allowed John Mara to install his brother as senior vice president of player personnel title on par with the GM he always wanted and he installed his nephew, who is now the director of player personnel, into the player personnel department at the same time.

According to Ernie Accorsi’s biography George Young once said “We can’t have any fire-proof heads of player personnel.”

Soon to be 4 GMs and 6 HCs later here we are. Another season checking the draft order in September for Giants fans after 12 years and counting of fire proof heads of player personnel with no end in sight.


1,000,000,000%.
RE: Hard to do  
Blue21 : 9/15/2024 9:27 pm : link
In comment 16611716 jvm52106 said:
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Is scoring 3 Tds and still not making it to 20pts and then not allowing an opposition TD and still giving up 21 points..
I read that this is the first time in NFL history a team has scored 3 TDs and not given up 1 and lost.
You know Winger, I’ve noticed you’re always last.  
ThomasG : 9/15/2024 9:29 pm : link
I’m pacing myself Sargent
RE: Hard to do  
gridirony : 9/15/2024 9:31 pm : link
In comment 16611716 jvm52106 said:
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Is scoring 3 Tds and still not making it to 20pts and then not allowing an opposition TD and still giving up 21 points..
Possibly never done before?

My guess is not making it to 19 points with 3 TDs, along with giving up 21 points without giving up a TD is a definite never done before.

It's witnessing simply a whole new way of losing, which I had thought that the Giants had finally run out of such ways.
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Route 9 : 9/15/2024 9:34 pm : link
Because they are what they are. Trash.
RE: RE: Hard to do  
Blue21 : 9/15/2024 9:44 pm : link
In comment 16611813 gridirony said:
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Is scoring 3 Tds and still not making it to 20pts and then not allowing an opposition TD and still giving up 21 points..

Possibly never done before?

My guess is not making it to 19 points with 3 TDs, along with giving up 21 points without giving up a TD is a definite never done before.

It's witnessing simply a whole new way of losing, which I had thought that the Giants had finally run out of such ways.
No never done before in NFL history. Score three don't give up 1 and lose. We own it
RE: RE: At what point does John Mara  
Mike from Ohio : 9/15/2024 9:48 pm : link
In comment 16611754 GiantGrit said:
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Think to himself “what we have always done is no longer working?”

“The Giants Way” has become synonymous with futility. Even he has to see that, right?



I could actually buy this regime was the breakaway from that but the rot was so bad that it was always going to be the follow up regime to bring in success. Schoen and Daboll don't feel like the Giants way to me. Different but unsuccessful.


I am talking about the “owners own, GMs manage, coaches coach, players play” mantra. The owner is hiring the GMs and the coaches, but the owner doesn’t know what he is doing and we keep getting the wrong folks.

We need to move to “Owner hires executive, executive determines structure and makes hires.” As long as John Mara is involved in the process of hiring folks and personnel is implanted with two relatives who have zero accountability, all Mara is doing is rearranging deck chairs every few years.
RE: 12 years ago the Tisch family was giddy  
BlueHurricane : 9/15/2024 9:54 pm : link
In comment 16611740 arniefez said:
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with 2 Super Bowl wins in 4 years, they let their guard down while they partying on both coasts and allowed John Mara to install his brother as senior vice president of player personnel title on par with the GM he always wanted and he installed his nephew, who is now the director of player personnel, into the player personnel department at the same time.

According to Ernie Accorsi’s biography George Young once said “We can’t have any fire-proof heads of player personnel.”

Soon to be 4 GMs and 6 HCs later here we are. Another season checking the draft order in September for Giants fans after 12 years and counting of fire proof heads of player personnel with no end in sight.


This

Maybe the ghost of Pete Roselle will haunt Rodger Goodell and he will force George Young 2.0 on us.
Firing Schoen and Daboll won't change much.  
81_Great_Dane : 9/15/2024 9:59 pm : link
This fish stinks from the head, and Schoen & Daboll aren't the head.

My modest proposal to start a Giants turnaround:

1) Both families exit the org chart on the football side. Make the Giants 100% family-free in anything to do with scouting, personnel, coaching, anything that puts the product on the field. If the Mara and Tisch families want to work on the business side, great, they can knock themselves out. I don't think this is really an issue for the Tisch family but the Maras think of themselves as football people. If they want to work in NFL football, they can sell their shares and get a job with the Steelers (The Rooneys are family, too.) or whatever other team will hire them.

2) John Mara especially needs to stop being involved with anything football-related. He's tainted. CEOs in other business get fired for a few years of inadequate performance. (See Starbucks) He's only still in his job because he's ownership, and that's the problem. He's not the majority owner anyway; he doesn't even own a majority of the Mara family shares. He can go be like his father and deal with league stuff, become a beloved figure and bask in the reflected glory when someone else manages the team to success.

3) One of the Tisches can take over representing ownership in any major football decisions. Yeah, the Tisch family is new-ish to NFL ownership. But I think they know their limitations; the Mara family clearly does not know their limitations. I suspect a lot of the Mara shareholders are restive, too, as the younger Tim Mara was during Wellington's reign of error. The losing, the mediocre stadium, the growing apathy among the fan base... all of it has to be dinging the value of their shares.
You can Blame Mara  
jvm52106 : 9/15/2024 10:02 pm : link
But Schoen and Daboll control the roster and roster decisions. Today was embarrassing, from the kicker situation to their inability to score more points- 3tds that equate to 18 points is just trash. The fact that our QB looked functional and is seen as a win also shows what this staff brings to the table.

Just so done with looking like garbage.
RE: 12 years ago the Tisch family was giddy  
St. Jimmy : 9/15/2024 10:03 pm : link
In comment 16611740 arniefez said:
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with 2 Super Bowl wins in 4 years, they let their guard down while they partying on both coasts and allowed John Mara to install his brother as senior vice president of player personnel title on par with the GM he always wanted and he installed his nephew, who is now the director of player personnel, into the player personnel department at the same time.

According to Ernie Accorsi’s biography George Young once said “We can’t have any fire-proof heads of player personnel.”

Soon to be 4 GMs and 6 HCs later here we are. Another season checking the draft order in September for Giants fans after 12 years and counting of fire proof heads of player personnel with no end in sight.
This is where I am at and have been at for a while. Too many owners in the personnel department. They aren't going anywhere is the scary part.
How many of those years did we start 0-3…….0-4?  
GiantBlue : 9/15/2024 10:20 pm : link
It’s there for us this year!
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Maijay : 9/16/2024 4:59 am : link
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Is scoring 3 Tds and still not making it to 20pts and then not allowing an opposition TD and still giving up 21 points..

Possibly never done before?

My guess is not making it to 19 points with 3 TDs, along with giving up 21 points without giving up a TD is a definite never done before.

It's witnessing simply a whole new way of losing, which I had thought that the Giants had finally run out of such ways.

No never done before in NFL history. Score three don't give up 1 and lose. We own it
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Maijay : 9/16/2024 5:02 am : link
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Is scoring 3 Tds and still not making it to 20pts and then not allowing an opposition TD and still giving up 21 points..

Possibly never done before?

My guess is not making it to 19 points with 3 TDs, along with giving up 21 points without giving up a TD is a definite never done before.

It's witnessing simply a whole new way of losing, which I had thought that the Giants had finally run out of such ways.

No never done before in NFL history. Score three don't give up 1 and lose. We own it

RE: RE: RE: Hard to do  
Maijay : 9/16/2024 5:08 am : link
In comment 16611830 Blue21 said:
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In comment 16611716 jvm52106 said:


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Is scoring 3 Tds and still not making it to 20pts and then not allowing an opposition TD and still giving up 21 points..

Possibly never done before?

My guess is not making it to 19 points with 3 TDs, along with giving up 21 points without giving up a TD is a definite never done before.

It's witnessing simply a whole new way of losing, which I had thought that the Giants had finally run out of such ways.

No never done before in NFL history. Score three don't give up 1 and lose. We own it

Just pathetic how this team finds outrageous ways to lose. Please end this futility.
You guys might want to  
Dave on the UWS : 9/16/2024 6:58 am : link
go root for another team.
Mara will NEVER give up control , it’s the family business. The only possible solution is a MAJOR intervention from the Tisch family/
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/16/2024 7:54 am : link
A clown show from top to bottom. But that might be too harsh to clowns.
RE: You guys might want to  
Sammo85 : 9/16/2024 9:06 am : link
In comment 16612057 Dave on the UWS said:
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go root for another team.
Mara will NEVER give up control , it’s the family business. The only possible solution is a MAJOR intervention from the Tisch family/



This is indeed happening. Esp. with younger generations under age of 18 - they don't remember the Eli SB era. This goes on a few more years of no playoffs - you'll have a prime generation of 20-25 years long that has no real pull or belief in Giants as a "winning" franchise.

I know quite a few adult fans that while they won't go root for the Jets or Cowboys - will invest time and money into following "fun" in football at College or Pro level.

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