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One More Point About Kicker Mess Up

Giantsbigblue : 9/15/2024 10:34 pm
That hasn't been discussed that I've seen. Not dressing another kicker forced Gillian to be the PK. Gillian is the holder on kicks. They literally had to put 2 players in positions they are not comfortable doing to address this screw up by the coaches.

Punters are holders because they have the free time to work on it in practice that other players don't. I don't know or remember who the back up holder was but I am sure they didn't have ton of experience.
This is a good point.  
81_Great_Dane : 9/15/2024 10:37 pm : link
Backup QBs used to be holders; that made fake FGs more likely. The problem with Gillan kicking might have been that they didn't have a competent backup holder.
the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2024 10:43 pm : link
other point Duggan mentioned is the Giants didn't even need to have Gano kickoff... Gillan could have done that (new kickoff rules make it easier).
 
christian : 9/15/2024 10:47 pm : link
Having Gano kickoff was the mistake. Just have Gillan blow it through the end zone.

There's no justification for putting an injured kicker out there to get involved in coverage.
team is a complete mess  
bigdogvic : 9/15/2024 11:00 pm : link
Daboll has never been a head coach and mistakes keep mounting, what has Schoen and Daboll done without Josh Allen?
RE: …  
Ivan15 : 9/15/2024 11:02 pm : link
In comment 16611932 christian said:
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Having Gano kickoff was the mistake. Just have Gillan blow it through the end zone.

There's no justification for putting an injured kicker out there to get involved in coverage.
Exactly
RE: team is a complete mess  
kelly : 9/15/2024 11:39 pm : link
In comment 16611939 bigdogvic said:
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Daboll has never been a head coach and mistakes keep mounting, what has Schoen and Daboll done without Josh Allen?


Nothing
Not to mention that Gillan  
Bill in UT : 9/16/2024 12:16 am : link
is a left-footed kicker and the holder has to hold from the other side.
RE: Not to mention that Gillan  
FranknWeezer : 9/16/2024 1:59 am : link
In comment 16611992 Bill in UT said:
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is a left-footed kicker and the holder has to hold from the other side.


Bingo. I wonder how often the back up holder (I never even figured out who it was) had ever practice, putting down snaps from the opposite side in order to accommodate Gillan being left footed.
Well other than punting a few times  
56goat : 9/16/2024 6:54 am : link
what else does Gillan have to do at practice? If he is the backup, make sure he is ready if needed.
RE: the  
section125 : 9/16/2024 6:57 am : link
In comment 16611927 Eric from BBI said:
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other point Duggan mentioned is the Giants didn't even need to have Gano kickoff... Gillan could have done that (new kickoff rules make it easier).


This. Gano was a dumbass to chase the returner, but Gillan could have kicked off. Perhaps maybe the ST coach should have said something????
It will be interesting  
k2tampa : 9/16/2024 7:22 am : link
To see how many plays Fox and Summers had. My guess is just the kickoffs and two punts.
It was just a massive f up  
jeff57 : 9/16/2024 7:38 am : link
All around.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/16/2024 7:44 am : link
Complete football malpractice. AND THIS HAPPENED LAST YEAR TOO!!! WTF ARE WE DOING?!?!?!?!
This went down as if they were making decisions on the fly  
ThomasG : 9/16/2024 7:46 am : link
on the sidelines.

If they didn't discuss a plan and all contingencies then shame on them.

If they did discuss and this was the result, then they are morons.
And take responsibilty  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 9/16/2024 8:24 am : link
Look at Daboll compared to Dan Campbell.

Campbell at this post game presser took 100% responsibility for the team's loss. Daboll when asked about the kicking situations said, "I am not a doctor.".
kicker = a few points  
bc4life : 9/16/2024 8:26 am : link
defense lost yesterday's game
Its hindsight, but bringing back a 37 year old kicker  
Dinger : 9/16/2024 9:02 am : link
who had a LEG injury without a solid ACTION PLAN for when he gets injured again, is ineptitude by both FO and Coaching staff. Not fully knowing how his number hit/hits the cap, a high priced kicker maybe wasn't/isnt the best allocation of funds. I would expect this year would be his last with us. So for 2025:
Jones
Gano
Daboll?
Schoen?
Gillian is also a lefty  
Biteymax22 : 9/16/2024 9:22 am : link
So it can be awkward for the new holder unless they've practiced
It gets even worse  
Giantsbigblue : 9/16/2024 9:38 am : link
While trying to find who was the backup holder, I noticed last year it was Gunner O, who of course is out.
RE: kicker = a few points  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/16/2024 10:21 am : link
In comment 16612123 bc4life said:
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defense lost yesterday's game

Kicker = the same few points that represented the margin of the game itself.
RE: Well other than punting a few times  
jpetuch : 9/16/2024 10:53 am : link
In comment 16612052 56goat said:
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what else does Gillan have to do at practice? If he is the backup, make sure he is ready if needed.

Gillan would probably get hurt too working on it in practice knowing this teams luck. Read somewhere in an article that the author joled Coughlin put an Irish curse on the team after they ushered him out the door.
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