My next day “non-emotional” thoughts. As always, feel free to add your own, argue with mine, etc…
Overview:
Giants 18, WAS 21: My football weekend started Friday night. My wife recently made the transition from private to public school (English Teacher) and coincidentally her new school started their football season against her old school. Within the first 4 minutes of the game I witnessed a blocked kick, a punt that went for negative yards, a safety and 1 player fumble 3 times. I figured this comically bad stretch of football would prepare me perfectly for Sunday’s Giants/Commanders game. I was right… At least her new school won.
I’ve jokingly used the phrase “the Giants have continued to find new and creative ways to lose games” in the past and this week’s game embodies that to a tee. 3 touchdowns by the Giants, none given up, we still lose… This is the only time this has happened in the history of the NFL.
Giants again use an entire case of ammo shooting themselves in the foot, we fall to 0-2 and Daboll found himself answering questions about his job security in the post-game presser.
Not a result you wanted against the only team you’ve consistently beat over the past 5 years.
Offense:
1. BBI as a whole talked about Daniel Jones ad nauseam last week and rightfully so, he was horrid against the Vikings. This week’s game was a much better result accounting for 178 yards, 2 TDs and no turnovers. I’m under no illusion that Jones is going to suddenly start playing like a top 10 QB, but he did what he needed to do to be functional yesterday, which was get the ball to his best playmaker, Malik Nabers. He was 10-18 for 127 and a TD when he did that. Going back to the ominous “what is our identity without Saquon” comment by Tim O’Donnell on Hard Knocks, this is going to be their identity. Throw the ball to Malik. It’s also going to be Jones’ best shot at being serviceable for the remainder of the year.
2. I can say something I’ve been waiting for years to say: Our offensive line played a good game on both sides of the ball! 1 sack on 28 drop backs coupled with a YPC of almost 6 is a good game against anyone. While the Commanders don’t boast and EDGE duo like they did last year, they still have very strong interior players and are tough against the run, we still ran the ball well and consistently for the entire game. If there are any positives from the early portion of the season, you’re looking at it with the OL. I’m very happy to not have to take a portion of this write up each week to complain about them.
3. I’m going to finish the offensive segment by talking about Devin Singletary and Malik Nabers. Why? Both had key mistakes that impacted the game, but the two also were our entire offense yesterday. For Singletary, he’s a vet and he’s averaged a whopping 1 fumble lost during a 5-season career where he had plenty of touches, I’m not worried about this being an issue going forward and I feel bad it marred a very good day for him. For Nabers, I’m not going to give him a pass on the crucial drop on our final drive, but I will say this: Nabers upside isn’t just good, he’s already that, he has the potential to be great, if he wants to be that he has to make those crucial catches in clutch time. It’s the second game of his career, there’s already a lot on his shoulders so I don’t want to harp on it, but I’d like to see him fulfill his potential.
Defense:
1. In the coaching section I’m going to touch on mistakes I see being repeated, tackling is something that finds itself in this bucket. Two years in a row this team came out of preseason and seemingly didn’t know how to tackle. In a two game stretch I’m not sure I ever remember seeing a running back hit the line, stop, then suddenly pop out and run six more yards so many times. I’ve always been a advocate that as a coach you start teaching players by making sure they can make the plays in front of them, this starts with being able to tackle a RB that you already have your hands on. I know modern coaches don’t like to use practice time on tackling drills, but dear god did we give up a lot of yards after contact yesterday. Our defenders should be embarrassed by this…
2. Watching the defense the past two weeks I couldn’t help but think of something Eric repeated during the offseason, we have a new scheme and are likely to start slow. I think that verbiage was perfect because a lot of what I’m seeing is players that seem like they’re a step behind. Typically, when you see this, it has a lot to do with players thinking too much and a new scheme could be the cause. While I wasn’t happy with yesterday’s result and aren’t a fan of “bend but don’t break” defenses in general, I’m going to reserve any judgement on Bowen until later in the season. Looking at the former section on tackling, a lot of players were in positions to make plays they just didn’t make. I’m also going to repeat the “make the plays in front of you” mantra because we’re not doing it. Still, I’m skeptical going forward as to whether this defense will tighten up. Better tackling will help, but we’ll also be playing better teams going forwards, the defense needs to speed up or we’ll be giving up a lot of points the next 6 games.
3. The only player I want to mention directly is Andru Phillips, I thought he played fantastic, and the defensive holding call against him was a bad call. He was not the only one who played well, KT flashed as a pass rusher and Pinnock’s stat sheet looks better than his total game, but Phillips gets my defensive game ball if anyone does. I know 10+ years of bad teams makes this statement less impactful, but I don’t remember a cornerback being anywhere nearly as good in run support as Phillips has been through the first two games. He sets and holds an edge better than some of our OLB’s and DE’s, he was also the only player I didn’t see consistently missing tackles. Sy’ has spoken about Schoen needing to find impact players and not just good ones in the drafts, he may have done that this year with Nabers and Phillips.
Coaching:
There’s a lot I can get to here so I’m just going to start with the obvious and the Graham Gano decision. This is worrisome to me for a couple of reasons. First of all, it’s the second time in two years that the same player was active for a game he wasn’t healthy enough to play in and second, it was the second game in a row that a player our medical staff deemed okay with a groin injury immediately reinjured it and left the game. I don’t know how communication works between the training staff and coaching staff, but this isn’t something you see happening with other teams and it’s now a trend. This is a huge issue that needs to be addressed immediately.
Moving on to bigger picture things, we’re two games in and I’m still seeing what I’d call “training camp” mistakes by this team. This would include things like tackling, penalties and being in the wrong position on defense and special teams. I was talking to a friend this week who reminded me that Daboll comes from the Belichick tree and from during the 2010’s the Patriots frequently also started slow, then finished the seasons on long winning streaks. Maybe there is something in the training camp philosophy where Bill was trying to peak his team for the playoffs that Daboll is “borrowing”? Unfortunately, we don’t have a vintage Tom Brady at QB and can’t afford to give up a game or two in September to peak in the playoffs. We needed a hot start; we came out flat.
Daboll answered questions about his job security for the first time this week. I hate to say it, but they’re warranted. While there are some things that aren’t 100% under his control, he hasn’t handled the things he has control over well so far. The team has been flat and slow in the first two games, his QB clearly needed more reps in preseason that he didn’t get and now we’re seeing roster management mistakes two weeks in a row. Belichick is looming, Mike Vrabel already has a slight infrastructure in the building, if Daboll wants to be here in 2025 with a 1st round pick at QB, he has to turn things around ASAP.
Conclusion:
If I had to pick one word to describe yesterday’s game, it’s frustrating. So many opportunities to end a drive that just weren’t capitalized on, leaving points on the board because you couldn’t manage your kicker’s health, and unfortunately the most key mistakes all came from the players that played the best games. I couldn’t help but walk away feeling like yesterday was a game that losing teams lose and winning teams win, and we’re a loosing team, we’re also all tired of it. As a fan I think what makes this one sting the most is that we didn’t have to lose it. This wasn’t like going into KC on a Monday night and playing Pat Mahomes in primetime, it was a team we’ve owned in recent years with a rookie QB that hardly pushed the ball more than 5 yards down the field. It’s just frustrating, no way around it.
Moving forward, things don’t look good. When you look at the schedule and ask yourself “where do we have a good chance of winning?” it’s not until we play the Commander’s again in November… Barring a major injury to a future opponents QB, we’ll be an underdog in our next 6 games, and some bring the potential for huge losses. 0-8 is a real possibility and from there the only thing keeping Giants fans interested will be who is coaching Carson Beck next season…
This team needs to get it together quick, or the future is going to bring empty seats in the stadium and coaches searching for new jobs.
I can see us beating the Panthers. Thats about it tho
Where do you see 4-6 wins??
WEEK 3
AT Cleveland Browns
WEEK 4
Dallas Cowboys
WEEK 5
AT Seattle Seahawks
WEEK 6
Cincinnati Bengals
WEEK 7
Philadelphia Eagles
WEEK 8
AT Pittsburgh Steelers
WEEK 9
Washington Commanders
WEEK 10
AT Carolina Panthers
WEEK 11
BYE
WEEK 12
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
WEEK 13
AT Dallas Cowboys
WEEK 14
New Orleans Saints
WEEK 15
Baltimore Ravens
WEEK 16
AT Atlanta Falcons
WEEK 17
Indianapolis Colts
WEEK 18
AT Philadelphia Eagles
WE ARE NOT FALLING FOR THIS AGAIN!!!!!
Jones had a fairly neutral game against one the worst teams in the league. Don't be shocked when good defenses continue to own him
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They're going to win 4-6 games. Great job in year 3.
I can see us beating the Panthers. Thats about it tho
Where do you see 4-6 wins??
There will be surprises. It's really hard to go 3-14 or worse in the NFL. The important thing (and this is something the Giants and the fans are terrible at) is to be able to understand when something that might look good actually isn't.
This particular Giants team is absolutely awful. A few meaningless wins won't change that.
I see 3 wins tops.
And MetLife full of Dallas fans a week from this Thursday.
@DDuggan21
I banged the DT weakness drum as much as possible. No one wanted to hear it. Leonard Williams signed a 3-year, $64.5M contract this offseason. A'Shawn Robinson signed a 3-year, $22.5M contract this offseason. They've been replaced by Day 3 picks and an undrafted rookie.
I suppose the optimism was based on placing the blame for the poor run D last season on Wink. He had top-10 rushing defenses in his all four of his seasons as Ravens DC. So I think the problem last year was personnel more than scheme. The personnel is worse this season...
Numerous BBIers have been banging that drum. Here's my percussion from
last December:
Giants Defense Requires Serious Attention This Off-Season
M.S. : 12/25/2023 8:14 am
And while there are a load of issues on offense (QB, OG, OT, #1 WR), that doesn't mean Joe Schoen can overlook the other side of the ball.
Stats of course can be deceiving since football is the ultimate complementary team sport, but these defensive numbers are just plain awful:
Yards Rushing per Attempt 4.7 (31st)
Total Sacks 24 (31st)
Rushing Yards per Game 131.6 (29th)
Total Yards per Game 356.7 (25th)
Points Allowed per Game 24.1 (25th)
The Giants are not going to come out of this Draft with Laiatu Latu (UCLA EDGE) and Jer'Zhan Newton (Illinois DT), but they would greatly improve a bad line of scrimmage.
Laitu Latu can hold the end and rush the QB, thus complementing (and raising even further) the performance of Kayvon Thibodeaux. And Jer'Zhan Newton will be Dexter Lawrence's brand-new friend who can stone the run and help bend the pocket.
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and events that caused us to lose a 50-50 game to one of the worst teams in the league. Which is fair enough. We like to analyze games.
The bigger and more important issue is the fact that we are playing a 50-50 game with one of the worst teams in the league. They are in year 1 of a total teardown. We don't really seem to have a coherent strategic plan, but by some measure we are in year 3 and have made a lot of moves that indicate we are trying to win.
And good or even decent team will blow the doors off WFT
This is the heart of the matter.
+2.
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From my seat in the stands, he left a lot of plays on the field.
In particular, I'm not Sy, but there's one play that really stood out as just really disappointing. There was a play where Nabers started in motion. As soon as he did, you could see the corner and a safety come across the field in lock step with Nabers out wide, the corner directly in front of him in press coverage. I had told my wife before the game to watch number 1 because he's exciting and fun. So when this obvious double team happens, I say to my wife "well, they're double teaming him so it might be someone else's turn to get the ball." Sure enough, Nabers gets behind the corner there is a window between the corner and the safety up the sideline. If Jones pulls the trigger, the timing and placement will have to be perfect. It's neither, of course, and Jones throws a jump ball where the safety has time to come up from behind and the corner has time to catch up and make the play difficult from the front. Just a dumb, low percentage throw, even for Nabers. The decision making is slow and questionable.
And this was Jones' version of playing well. He's just so clearly not the guy. He's a backup caliber player.
I know the exact play you're referencing and agree. Jones wasn't good, but this was a better version of him and it didn't hurt us, it just wasn't worth the 40mil we're paying him a year.
wasn't like number 7 in qbr yesterday?
I don't want to just disregard a stat, but being 7th in QBR doesn't really mean a lot to me. There are things such as taking sacks that factor in which could really be attributed to your OL.
My eyes saw a player that was better than he was the prior week and played a "safe" game which favors QBR, those are the positives. On the negatives, remove Nabers from the situation and I'm not sure we could move the ball, even with good blocking. There were also plenty of mistimed throws and open receivers he didn't see.
Jones played a game I would want from my back up and the reality is, that is probably what is as a QB and all we can ask of him.
I agree, and I'm sure the org feels the same. The quarterback played well. It was the first thing Daboll said after the game. He improved drastically from week 1 to week 2, which is what you'd expect of someone coming back from an ACL. Had the team in position to score 27-31 points with limited possessions.
I realize we're out of time for all these guys and it's win or go home, but that was a winning performance by DJ.
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With a week of "one bad series and he's out", with an alligator pit below him, every media pundit putting his head on a pike - Jones played fucking well. The entire thesis (or so I thought) last year was, give him someone to throw to beyond David Sills or Tanner Hudson, a decent line and the offense will improve. That was supposed to be Waller, which didn't work out, and the line was horrendous. So, now it's Nabers - and this could be evidence of it starting to work out. Yes, if it doesn't work and wins don't start materializing, Jones will obviously be gone. The blood lust is not necessary yet, and instead of folding, Jones showed spine whether you like it or not.
Jones had a fairly neutral game against one the worst teams in the league. Don't be shocked when good defenses continue to own him
It wasn't a neutral game. It was a good game. Not great. But good. The second part of what you say might be entirely correct. In which case, you discard him - which is possible with his contract. The regimes he's had has been horrendous, that's just a fact. That has made it hard to evaluate, at least to my mind. This is the year to judge, but it was just assumed that Minnesota sucks (and they might not) - and now you had a game where he did what a good QB is supposed to do. But if Nabers develops more, the running improves - they might actually have an offense. Or he face plants.
Physics Grade: D- / F
True, F=ma. Need more "M"
Fans will have roughly 3-5 opportunities every year to say Jones played well and admire his "spine." This week presents one, so make the most of it!
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With a week of "one bad series and he's out", with an alligator pit below him, every media pundit putting his head on a pike - Jones played fucking well. The entire thesis (or so I thought) last year was, give him someone to throw to beyond David Sills or Tanner Hudson, a decent line and the offense will improve. That was supposed to be Waller, which didn't work out, and the line was horrendous. So, now it's Nabers - and this could be evidence of it starting to work out. Yes, if it doesn't work and wins don't start materializing, Jones will obviously be gone. The blood lust is not necessary yet, and instead of folding, Jones showed spine whether you like it or not.
Jones had a fairly neutral game against one the worst teams in the league. Don't be shocked when good defenses continue to own him
It wasn't a neutral game. It was a good game. Not great. But good. The second part of what you say might be entirely correct. In which case, you discard him - which is possible with his contract. The regimes he's had has been horrendous, that's just a fact. That has made it hard to evaluate, at least to my mind. This is the year to judge, but it was just assumed that Minnesota sucks (and they might not) - and now you had a game where he did what a good QB is supposed to do. But if Nabers develops more, the running improves - they might actually have an offense. Or he face plants.
A good QB does what Baker Mayfield did to them last week.
24/30 289 4TDs
Agreed. Yes, much better game than last week, but the bottom line is that he threw for 178 yards and 2 TDs against one of the worst secondaries in the NFL. The stats aren't bad, but they're not what you'd want from a 6th year vet making the money he is against that caliber of defense. Being okay with results like this is what has us in this mess.
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With a week of "one bad series and he's out", with an alligator pit below him, every media pundit putting his head on a pike - Jones played fucking well. The entire thesis (or so I thought) last year was, give him someone to throw to beyond David Sills or Tanner Hudson, a decent line and the offense will improve. That was supposed to be Waller, which didn't work out, and the line was horrendous. So, now it's Nabers - and this could be evidence of it starting to work out. Yes, if it doesn't work and wins don't start materializing, Jones will obviously be gone. The blood lust is not necessary yet, and instead of folding, Jones showed spine whether you like it or not.
Jones had a fairly neutral game against one the worst teams in the league. Don't be shocked when good defenses continue to own him
57% completion rate, 178 yards, 2 TDs. Everything underneath or safe, the couple of long shots were off-target, a number of throws were high and tough to catch. Against one of the worst defenses in the NFL. DJ was OK, did what he had to do to keep us in the game, but how will this fare against Dallas, Philly, etc.
brutal incompetency.
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With a week of "one bad series and he's out", with an alligator pit below him, every media pundit putting his head on a pike - Jones played fucking well. The entire thesis (or so I thought) last year was, give him someone to throw to beyond David Sills or Tanner Hudson, a decent line and the offense will improve. That was supposed to be Waller, which didn't work out, and the line was horrendous. So, now it's Nabers - and this could be evidence of it starting to work out. Yes, if it doesn't work and wins don't start materializing, Jones will obviously be gone. The blood lust is not necessary yet, and instead of folding, Jones showed spine whether you like it or not.
Jones had a fairly neutral game against one the worst teams in the league. Don't be shocked when good defenses continue to own him
57% completion rate, 178 yards, 2 TDs. Everything underneath or safe, the couple of long shots were off-target, a number of throws were high and tough to catch. Against one of the worst defenses in the NFL. DJ was OK, did what he had to do to keep us in the game, but how will this fare against Dallas, Philly, etc.
Sorry BiteyMax, I said what you just said - you beat me to it.
1) New defense does take at least a few games to really install and have the players play well. Its been 2 and they
have been bad but it will get better.
2) Great start to the career/year for Dru and Nubin. Very good start to the year for Banks. Great start to year for Dex. Burn is a known commodity and will be better. KT played a solid game after being absent from the stat sheet on game 1
3) Offensive line play has been the best it has been in years..probably a decade. Both pass protection and run blocking (especially in this game against the Skins).
4) Singletary is a good back. Not a homerun hitter but good. Never fumbles like he did yesterday when we were on our way to padding the score again
5) Jones can be what he was today. Not super efficient but ran the offense...made most of the right throws. More on time for a change. He can replicate this against good and bad teams in my view. Officially in the game manager phase but that should also mean competency
6) Nabers is the real deal. He has had a couple of drops already in 2 games but everything he does on the field makes me thing we have a real WR1
7) Head Coach can't be boneheaded again after we have had 2 games in 2 yrs without a kicker to kick during the game. Just cant be that dumb.
I was most worried about the O line and offense when the year started and felt the D would be better. So far the O line is giving me confident vibes. I dont want to root for losing already. I want glimmers of hope and I want to see the young team get better and have an attitude develop on one or both sides of the ball. We still dont have any IDENTITY for the team. That is on the coaches to demonstrate. I want to worry about the draft when the season is over...not the end of week 2
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For some, the bar is below the ground for Jones. As long as he didn’t go out there and piss himself, some would applaud.
lol - we get excited when a position group is described as "functional" these days.
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With a week of "one bad series and he's out", with an alligator pit below him, every media pundit putting his head on a pike - Jones played fucking well. The entire thesis (or so I thought) last year was, give him someone to throw to beyond David Sills or Tanner Hudson, a decent line and the offense will improve. That was supposed to be Waller, which didn't work out, and the line was horrendous. So, now it's Nabers - and this could be evidence of it starting to work out. Yes, if it doesn't work and wins don't start materializing, Jones will obviously be gone. The blood lust is not necessary yet, and instead of folding, Jones showed spine whether you like it or not.
Jones had a fairly neutral game against one the worst teams in the league. Don't be shocked when good defenses continue to own him
57% completion rate, 178 yards, 2 TDs. Everything underneath or safe, the couple of long shots were off-target, a number of throws were high and tough to catch. Against one of the worst defenses in the NFL. DJ was OK, did what he had to do to keep us in the game, but how will this fare against Dallas, Philly, etc.
I think there was maybe one failed series? Our defense played like the worst defense in the NFL, couldn't get off the field. How will he do against Dallas/Philly, etc. Yes, that's the question and he'll have to perform - or I agree, get rid of him.
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that some are celebrating this performance. It wasn't awful which is nice for a change, but it wasn't very good either, especially considering the opponent. Either way I'm sure Mara is overjoyed and will be proclaiming soon that the Giants are back!
Agreed. Yes, much better game than last week, but the bottom line is that he threw for 178 yards and 2 TDs against one of the worst secondaries in the NFL. The stats aren't bad, but they're not what you'd want from a 6th year vet making the money he is against that caliber of defense. Being okay with results like this is what has us in this mess.
They couldn't get on the field. They got 3 tds in what 6 possessions? They were mixing run and pass successfully so pass yards were lowered. he was top ten in qbr and passer rtg yesterday. The guy is gone from this team next year but dinging his performance yesterday is completely missing what happened.
All the uproar and finger pointing, you won't hear it from me. At the end of the day, we're just bad. It doesn't matter why or how. I'm not a decision maker, so I don't need to figure out the reasons. It is what it is.
I was looking at the remaining schedule this morning. Unfortunately we just lost two of the most winnable games on paper at least. The only games I really see us having a chance at winning are the next Washington game (if they roster a kicker) and Carolina. I would say Pittsburgh, but they are scrappy, well coached, and it’s a night game, which is almost never good news for the Giants.
In nearly thirteen hundred games where this has happened in NFL history, the only other time a team lost was ironically on 11/5/1989, when the 1989 LA Rams lost in OT on a safety to the Vikings. So in addition to losing the game yesterday, we must now also live with the notion that Jim Evert and Flipper Anderson are laughing today once again at the Giants for generously getting the monkey off their back after these many years, an ignominious encore to their devastating playoff victory at Giants Stadium on 1/7/1990, perhaps the most mortifying loss in Giants history...
The only thing you have to wonder is if there is some kind of handshake deal in place where the team is more or less soft tanking (someone connected on here posted this recently) and Schoen/Daboll will get to pick their QB in next years draft. I have to believe Mara doesn’t want to keep this revolving door going at HC and GM every few years. Not that I agree with that approach, but it’s not out of the question.
Baker Mayfield, who many people here loved to rip a few years ago, torched that same defense the week before.
That is all.
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From my seat in the stands, he left a lot of plays on the field.
In particular, I'm not Sy, but there's one play that really stood out as just really disappointing. There was a play where Nabers started in motion. As soon as he did, you could see the corner and a safety come across the field in lock step with Nabers out wide, the corner directly in front of him in press coverage. I had told my wife before the game to watch number 1 because he's exciting and fun. So when this obvious double team happens, I say to my wife "well, they're double teaming him so it might be someone else's turn to get the ball." Sure enough, Nabers gets behind the corner there is a window between the corner and the safety up the sideline. If Jones pulls the trigger, the timing and placement will have to be perfect. It's neither, of course, and Jones throws a jump ball where the safety has time to come up from behind and the corner has time to catch up and make the play difficult from the front. Just a dumb, low percentage throw, even for Nabers. The decision making is slow and questionable.
And this was Jones' version of playing well. He's just so clearly not the guy. He's a backup caliber player.
I know the exact play you're referencing and agree. Jones wasn't good, but this was a better version of him and it didn't hurt us, it just wasn't worth the 40mil we're paying him a year.
wasn't like number 7 in qbr yesterday?
I don't want to just disregard a stat, but being 7th in QBR doesn't really mean a lot to me. There are things such as taking sacks that factor in which could really be attributed to your OL.
My eyes saw a player that was better than he was the prior week and played a "safe" game which favors QBR, those are the positives. On the negatives, remove Nabers from the situation and I'm not sure we could move the ball, even with good blocking. There were also plenty of mistimed throws and open receivers he didn't see.
Jones played a game I would want from my back up and the reality is, that is probably what is as a QB and all we can ask of him.
Isn't that why we got Nabers, to make us a better offense?
Of course we're better with him, that was the purpose.
Thus the OL - we'll see next few games. This game just showed that they can do well vs an awful NFL Defense.
Thus the OL - we'll see next few games. This game just showed that they can do well vs an awful NFL Defense.
Washington doesn't have great ends, but their interior due of Allen and Payne are very, very good. They also have a couple of good linebackers. Its their secondary that is horrible and bottom 3 in the NFL.
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But I'd like to have one disagreement. It's that Washigton's Defense sucks. Including their DL. You can pass on them easily which means they can't stop any decent team which means that eventually you can also run the ball down their throat too. They may have some individual talent but as a collective, they suck.
Thus the OL - we'll see next few games. This game just showed that they can do well vs an awful NFL Defense.
Washington doesn't have great ends, but their interior due of Allen and Payne are very, very good. They also have a couple of good linebackers. Its their secondary that is horrible and bottom 3 in the NFL.
But part of the issue why they DL is no good is because their secodnadary sucks. They can't compliment each other.
A great WR can't be overall great without a QB an OL. SImalr with a a QB needs a good OL or needs some other compliment. The Washington interior Defense is not goign to take over a game other than a rae game vs a lousy moitvated team.
That Defense wil get run over this year at least until late. Tampa Bay ran over 100 yards too. Most teams will do that to Wash this year. Indiv talent isn't enough. We see that with Dexter. Giants getting the ball run down their throat. Dex is a stud but tema isn't complemntary.
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...was a hamstring. Perhaps I'm incorrect?
Groin Friday, Hamstring Sunday. Though Daboll tried to downplay it, having a groin at less than 100% can cause you to pull a hamstring.
Special teams should have made a tackle and he wouldn’t have had to run.
Or Gano could have kicked it out of the end zone like and there would have been no return. Instead he was likely busy favoring his injured groin, kicked it short, then tore his hammy chasing down a jailbreak return.
It was a battle of the dumpster fire teams. The WFT couldn't score touchdowns (the bend don't break defense didn't really work out for us this time around) and the NYG couldn't score points after touchdowns. If someone had said that WFT wouldn't score a single touchdown and the NYG would score THREE TDs and WFT would still win the game, I don't think I would have believed it. But I was there in person to witness it.