My next day “non-emotional” thoughts. As always, feel free to add your own, argue with mine, etc…
Overview:
Giants 18, WAS 21: My football weekend started Friday night. My wife recently made the transition from private to public school (English Teacher) and coincidentally her new school started their football season against her old school. Within the first 4 minutes of the game I witnessed a blocked kick, a punt that went for negative yards, a safety and 1 player fumble 3 times. I figured this comically bad stretch of football would prepare me perfectly for Sunday’s Giants/Commanders game. I was right… At least her new school won.
I’ve jokingly used the phrase “the Giants have continued to find new and creative ways to lose games” in the past and this week’s game embodies that to a tee. 3 touchdowns by the Giants, none given up, we still lose… This is the only time this has happened in the history of the NFL.
Giants again use an entire case of ammo shooting themselves in the foot, we fall to 0-2 and Daboll found himself answering questions about his job security in the post-game presser.
Not a result you wanted against the only team you’ve consistently beat over the past 5 years.
Offense:
1. BBI as a whole talked about Daniel Jones ad nauseam last week and rightfully so, he was horrid against the Vikings. This week’s game was a much better result accounting for 178 yards, 2 TDs and no turnovers. I’m under no illusion that Jones is going to suddenly start playing like a top 10 QB, but he did what he needed to do to be functional yesterday, which was get the ball to his best playmaker, Malik Nabers. He was 10-18 for 127 and a TD when he did that. Going back to the ominous “what is our identity without Saquon” comment by Tim O’Donnell on Hard Knocks, this is going to be their identity. Throw the ball to Malik. It’s also going to be Jones’ best shot at being serviceable for the remainder of the year.
2. I can say something I’ve been waiting for years to say: Our offensive line played a good game on both sides of the ball! 1 sack on 28 drop backs coupled with a YPC of almost 6 is a good game against anyone. While the Commanders don’t boast and EDGE duo like they did last year, they still have very strong interior players and are tough against the run, we still ran the ball well and consistently for the entire game. If there are any positives from the early portion of the season, you’re looking at it with the OL. I’m very happy to not have to take a portion of this write up each week to complain about them.
3. I’m going to finish the offensive segment by talking about Devin Singletary and Malik Nabers. Why? Both had key mistakes that impacted the game, but the two also were our entire offense yesterday. For Singletary, he’s a vet and he’s averaged a whopping 1 fumble lost during a 5-season career where he had plenty of touches, I’m not worried about this being an issue going forward and I feel bad it marred a very good day for him. For Nabers, I’m not going to give him a pass on the crucial drop on our final drive, but I will say this: Nabers upside isn’t just good, he’s already that, he has the potential to be great, if he wants to be that he has to make those crucial catches in clutch time. It’s the second game of his career, there’s already a lot on his shoulders so I don’t want to harp on it, but I’d like to see him fulfill his potential.
Defense:
1. In the coaching section I’m going to touch on mistakes I see being repeated, tackling is something that finds itself in this bucket. Two years in a row this team came out of preseason and seemingly didn’t know how to tackle. In a two game stretch I’m not sure I ever remember seeing a running back hit the line, stop, then suddenly pop out and run six more yards so many times. I’ve always been a advocate that as a coach you start teaching players by making sure they can make the plays in front of them, this starts with being able to tackle a RB that you already have your hands on. I know modern coaches don’t like to use practice time on tackling drills, but dear god did we give up a lot of yards after contact yesterday. Our defenders should be embarrassed by this…
2. Watching the defense the past two weeks I couldn’t help but think of something Eric repeated during the offseason, we have a new scheme and are likely to start slow. I think that verbiage was perfect because a lot of what I’m seeing is players that seem like they’re a step behind. Typically, when you see this, it has a lot to do with players thinking too much and a new scheme could be the cause. While I wasn’t happy with yesterday’s result and aren’t a fan of “bend but don’t break” defenses in general, I’m going to reserve any judgement on Bowen until later in the season. Looking at the former section on tackling, a lot of players were in positions to make plays they just didn’t make. I’m also going to repeat the “make the plays in front of you” mantra because we’re not doing it. Still, I’m skeptical going forward as to whether this defense will tighten up. Better tackling will help, but we’ll also be playing better teams going forwards, the defense needs to speed up or we’ll be giving up a lot of points the next 6 games.
3. The only player I want to mention directly is Andru Phillips, I thought he played fantastic, and the defensive holding call against him was a bad call. He was not the only one who played well, KT flashed as a pass rusher and Pinnock’s stat sheet looks better than his total game, but Phillips gets my defensive game ball if anyone does. I know 10+ years of bad teams makes this statement less impactful, but I don’t remember a cornerback being anywhere nearly as good in run support as Phillips has been through the first two games. He sets and holds an edge better than some of our OLB’s and DE’s, he was also the only player I didn’t see consistently missing tackles. Sy’ has spoken about Schoen needing to find impact players and not just good ones in the drafts, he may have done that this year with Nabers and Phillips.
Coaching:
There’s a lot I can get to here so I’m just going to start with the obvious and the Graham Gano decision. This is worrisome to me for a couple of reasons. First of all, it’s the second time in two years that the same player was active for a game he wasn’t healthy enough to play in and second, it was the second game in a row that a player our medical staff deemed okay with a groin injury immediately reinjured it and left the game. I don’t know how communication works between the training staff and coaching staff, but this isn’t something you see happening with other teams and it’s now a trend. This is a huge issue that needs to be addressed immediately.
Moving on to bigger picture things, we’re two games in and I’m still seeing what I’d call “training camp” mistakes by this team. This would include things like tackling, penalties and being in the wrong position on defense and special teams. I was talking to a friend this week who reminded me that Daboll comes from the Belichick tree and from during the 2010’s the Patriots frequently also started slow, then finished the seasons on long winning streaks. Maybe there is something in the training camp philosophy where Bill was trying to peak his team for the playoffs that Daboll is “borrowing”? Unfortunately, we don’t have a vintage Tom Brady at QB and can’t afford to give up a game or two in September to peak in the playoffs. We needed a hot start; we came out flat.
Daboll answered questions about his job security for the first time this week. I hate to say it, but they’re warranted. While there are some things that aren’t 100% under his control, he hasn’t handled the things he has control over well so far. The team has been flat and slow in the first two games, his QB clearly needed more reps in preseason that he didn’t get and now we’re seeing roster management mistakes two weeks in a row. Belichick is looming, Mike Vrabel already has a slight infrastructure in the building, if Daboll wants to be here in 2025 with a 1st round pick at QB, he has to turn things around ASAP.
Conclusion:
If I had to pick one word to describe yesterday’s game, it’s frustrating. So many opportunities to end a drive that just weren’t capitalized on, leaving points on the board because you couldn’t manage your kicker’s health, and unfortunately the most key mistakes all came from the players that played the best games. I couldn’t help but walk away feeling like yesterday was a game that losing teams lose and winning teams win, and we’re a loosing team, we’re also all tired of it. As a fan I think what makes this one sting the most is that we didn’t have to lose it. This wasn’t like going into KC on a Monday night and playing Pat Mahomes in primetime, it was a team we’ve owned in recent years with a rookie QB that hardly pushed the ball more than 5 yards down the field. It’s just frustrating, no way around it.
Moving forward, things don’t look good. When you look at the schedule and ask yourself “where do we have a good chance of winning?” it’s not until we play the Commander’s again in November… Barring a major injury to a future opponents QB, we’ll be an underdog in our next 6 games, and some bring the potential for huge losses. 0-8 is a real possibility and from there the only thing keeping Giants fans interested will be who is coaching Carson Beck next season…
This team needs to get it together quick, or the future is going to bring empty seats in the stadium and coaches searching for new jobs.
Dabs looked like a jackass glaring at Leonard. I’m no fan of Pat, but that was a fair question & Dabs handled it horribly.
Groin Friday, Hamstring Sunday. Though Daboll tried to downplay it, having a groin at less than 100% can cause you to pull a hamstring.
He went into the game with a groin injury and then promptly hurt his hamstring when he tried to make the tackle on the opening kickoff
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...was a hamstring. Perhaps I'm incorrect?
Groin Friday, Hamstring Sunday. Though Daboll tried to downplay it, having a groin at less than 100% can cause you to pull a hamstring.
Special teams should have made a tackle and he wouldn’t have had to run.
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Physics Grade: D- / F
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...was a hamstring. Perhaps I'm incorrect?
Groin Friday, Hamstring Sunday. Though Daboll tried to downplay it, having a groin at less than 100% can cause you to pull a hamstring.
Bingo. Criminal they didn’t plan ahead for that contingency, as everyone is saying (except Daboll)
Well written as always Bitey. I hate the fact I’ve reached the point where I was happy to see us at least play a competitive game, then remembered that wasn’t a great team we played, and choking it away is better for draft position in the end
Brutal time to be a Giants fan
Dabs looked like a jackass glaring at Leonard. I’m no fan of Pat, but that was a fair question & Dabs handled it horribly.
SF I don't think it was a fair question at all. He's there to
recap and talk about his in game decisions. I think it's a valid question later on in the week after the dust settles.
Score could have been a lot worse than it was.
The Giants have one and only one DT Dex.
It’s a major problem in the run game coupled with bad tackling excluding Dru.
Score could have been a lot worse than it was.
The Giants have one and only one DT Dex.
It’s a major problem in the run game coupled with bad tackling excluding Dru.
Dead on. On all points.
Physics Grade: D- / F
I’d be interested to see the Top 5 run defenses last year average weight on the field vs the Giants right now.
Score could have been a lot worse than it was.
The Giants have one and only one DT Dex.
It’s a major problem in the run game coupled with bad tackling excluding Dru.
After a draft where literally zero linemen were selected. Schoen also in practical terms traded an older 300+ lb player in Williams for the lighter younger Burns.
Btw, Bowen was raving about the DL in training camp and now isn’t playing them.
also wink was no great shakes but if daboll had just not had a conflict with him, they wouldnt need to be learning a new system either. which i personally dont even think is a good excuse (everyone on both sides in washington was also learning new systems).
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...was a hamstring. Perhaps I'm incorrect?
Groin Friday, Hamstring Sunday. Though Daboll tried to downplay it, having a groin at less than 100% can cause you to pull a hamstring.
I was referring specifically to the in-game injury. However, it makes sense that an iffy groin could contribute. Perhaps the Giants should have sent him to a Groinecologist (with apologies to Archie Bunker).
In particular, I'm not Sy, but there's one play that really stood out as just really disappointing. There was a play where Nabers started in motion. As soon as he did, you could see the corner and a safety come across the field in lock step with Nabers out wide, the corner directly in front of him in press coverage. I had told my wife before the game to watch number 1 because he's exciting and fun. So when this obvious double team happens, I say to my wife "well, they're double teaming him so it might be someone else's turn to get the ball." Sure enough, Nabers gets behind the corner there is a window between the corner and the safety up the sideline. If Jones pulls the trigger, the timing and placement will have to be perfect. It's neither, of course, and Jones throws a jump ball where the safety has time to come up from behind and the corner has time to catch up and make the play difficult from the front. Just a dumb, low percentage throw, even for Nabers. The decision making is slow and questionable.
And this was Jones' version of playing well. He's just so clearly not the guy. He's a backup caliber player.
@DDuggan21
I banged the DT weakness drum as much as possible. No one wanted to hear it. Leonard Williams signed a 3-year, $64.5M contract this offseason. A'Shawn Robinson signed a 3-year, $22.5M contract this offseason. They've been replaced by Day 3 picks and an undrafted rookie.
I suppose the optimism was based on placing the blame for the poor run D last season on Wink. He had top-10 rushing defenses in his all four of his seasons as Ravens DC. So I think the problem last year was personnel more than scheme. The personnel is worse this season...
The bigger and more important issue is the fact that we are playing a 50-50 game with one of the worst teams in the league. They are in year 1 of a total teardown. We don't really seem to have a coherent strategic plan, but by some measure we are in year 3 and have made a lot of moves that indicate we are trying to win.
And good or even decent team will blow the doors off WFT
In particular, I'm not Sy, but there's one play that really stood out as just really disappointing. There was a play where Nabers started in motion. As soon as he did, you could see the corner and a safety come across the field in lock step with Nabers out wide, the corner directly in front of him in press coverage. I had told my wife before the game to watch number 1 because he's exciting and fun. So when this obvious double team happens, I say to my wife "well, they're double teaming him so it might be someone else's turn to get the ball." Sure enough, Nabers gets behind the corner there is a window between the corner and the safety up the sideline. If Jones pulls the trigger, the timing and placement will have to be perfect. It's neither, of course, and Jones throws a jump ball where the safety has time to come up from behind and the corner has time to catch up and make the play difficult from the front. Just a dumb, low percentage throw, even for Nabers. The decision making is slow and questionable.
And this was Jones' version of playing well. He's just so clearly not the guy. He's a backup caliber player.
I know the exact play you're referencing and agree. Jones wasn't good, but this was a better version of him and it didn't hurt us, it just wasn't worth the 40mil we're paying him a year.
The bigger and more important issue is the fact that we are playing a 50-50 game with one of the worst teams in the league. They are in year 1 of a total teardown. We don't really seem to have a coherent strategic plan, but by some measure we are in year 3 and have made a lot of moves that indicate we are trying to win.
And good or even decent team will blow the doors off WFT
This is the heart of the matter.
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From my seat in the stands, he left a lot of plays on the field.
In particular, I'm not Sy, but there's one play that really stood out as just really disappointing. There was a play where Nabers started in motion. As soon as he did, you could see the corner and a safety come across the field in lock step with Nabers out wide, the corner directly in front of him in press coverage. I had told my wife before the game to watch number 1 because he's exciting and fun. So when this obvious double team happens, I say to my wife "well, they're double teaming him so it might be someone else's turn to get the ball." Sure enough, Nabers gets behind the corner there is a window between the corner and the safety up the sideline. If Jones pulls the trigger, the timing and placement will have to be perfect. It's neither, of course, and Jones throws a jump ball where the safety has time to come up from behind and the corner has time to catch up and make the play difficult from the front. Just a dumb, low percentage throw, even for Nabers. The decision making is slow and questionable.
And this was Jones' version of playing well. He's just so clearly not the guy. He's a backup caliber player.
I know the exact play you're referencing and agree. Jones wasn't good, but this was a better version of him and it didn't hurt us, it just wasn't worth the 40mil we're paying him a year.
wasn't like number 7 in qbr yesterday?
holding a team scoreless is the ultimate goal. the next goal is holding a team to FGs instead of TDs (which we did, albeit 7 of em)
finding a way to lose even when accomplishing your defensive goal is just sad
The bigger and more important issue is the fact that we are playing a 50-50 game with one of the worst teams in the league. They are in year 1 of a total teardown. We don't really seem to have a coherent strategic plan, but by some measure we are in year 3 and have made a lot of moves that indicate we are trying to win.
And good or even decent team will blow the doors off WFT
I said before the season started that if you took the names of the roster and just looked at positions, ages, and salaries this is a team built to win now. The expectation from us coming into the season should have been a ten win season, pushing for the division and making the playoffs. I must have posted the Kenny Bania meme from Seinfeld ten times: "This is it, you know. This is the meal. So stock up."
But I obviously posted that knowing that 10 wins wasn't going to happen, and that the whole thing is misaligned... primarily because there's no starting QB on the roster.
They're going to win 4-6 games. Great job in year 3.
I can see us beating the Panthers. Thats about it tho
Where do you see 4-6 wins??
WEEK 3
AT Cleveland Browns
WEEK 4
Dallas Cowboys
WEEK 5
AT Seattle Seahawks
WEEK 6
Cincinnati Bengals
WEEK 7
Philadelphia Eagles
WEEK 8
AT Pittsburgh Steelers
WEEK 9
Washington Commanders
WEEK 10
AT Carolina Panthers
WEEK 11
BYE
WEEK 12
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
WEEK 13
AT Dallas Cowboys
WEEK 14
New Orleans Saints
WEEK 15
Baltimore Ravens
WEEK 16
AT Atlanta Falcons
WEEK 17
Indianapolis Colts
WEEK 18
AT Philadelphia Eagles
WE ARE NOT FALLING FOR THIS AGAIN!!!!!
Jones had a fairly neutral game against one the worst teams in the league. Don't be shocked when good defenses continue to own him
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They're going to win 4-6 games. Great job in year 3.
I can see us beating the Panthers. Thats about it tho
Where do you see 4-6 wins??
There will be surprises. It's really hard to go 3-14 or worse in the NFL. The important thing (and this is something the Giants and the fans are terrible at) is to be able to understand when something that might look good actually isn't.
This particular Giants team is absolutely awful. A few meaningless wins won't change that.
I see 3 wins tops.
And MetLife full of Dallas fans a week from this Thursday.
@DDuggan21
I banged the DT weakness drum as much as possible. No one wanted to hear it. Leonard Williams signed a 3-year, $64.5M contract this offseason. A'Shawn Robinson signed a 3-year, $22.5M contract this offseason. They've been replaced by Day 3 picks and an undrafted rookie.
I suppose the optimism was based on placing the blame for the poor run D last season on Wink. He had top-10 rushing defenses in his all four of his seasons as Ravens DC. So I think the problem last year was personnel more than scheme. The personnel is worse this season...
Numerous BBIers have been banging that drum. Here's my percussion from
last December:
Giants Defense Requires Serious Attention This Off-Season
M.S. : 12/25/2023 8:14 am
And while there are a load of issues on offense (QB, OG, OT, #1 WR), that doesn't mean Joe Schoen can overlook the other side of the ball.
Stats of course can be deceiving since football is the ultimate complementary team sport, but these defensive numbers are just plain awful:
Yards Rushing per Attempt 4.7 (31st)
Total Sacks 24 (31st)
Rushing Yards per Game 131.6 (29th)
Total Yards per Game 356.7 (25th)
Points Allowed per Game 24.1 (25th)
The Giants are not going to come out of this Draft with Laiatu Latu (UCLA EDGE) and Jer'Zhan Newton (Illinois DT), but they would greatly improve a bad line of scrimmage.
Laitu Latu can hold the end and rush the QB, thus complementing (and raising even further) the performance of Kayvon Thibodeaux. And Jer'Zhan Newton will be Dexter Lawrence's brand-new friend who can stone the run and help bend the pocket.
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and events that caused us to lose a 50-50 game to one of the worst teams in the league. Which is fair enough. We like to analyze games.
The bigger and more important issue is the fact that we are playing a 50-50 game with one of the worst teams in the league. They are in year 1 of a total teardown. We don't really seem to have a coherent strategic plan, but by some measure we are in year 3 and have made a lot of moves that indicate we are trying to win.
And good or even decent team will blow the doors off WFT
This is the heart of the matter.
+2.
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From my seat in the stands, he left a lot of plays on the field.
In particular, I'm not Sy, but there's one play that really stood out as just really disappointing. There was a play where Nabers started in motion. As soon as he did, you could see the corner and a safety come across the field in lock step with Nabers out wide, the corner directly in front of him in press coverage. I had told my wife before the game to watch number 1 because he's exciting and fun. So when this obvious double team happens, I say to my wife "well, they're double teaming him so it might be someone else's turn to get the ball." Sure enough, Nabers gets behind the corner there is a window between the corner and the safety up the sideline. If Jones pulls the trigger, the timing and placement will have to be perfect. It's neither, of course, and Jones throws a jump ball where the safety has time to come up from behind and the corner has time to catch up and make the play difficult from the front. Just a dumb, low percentage throw, even for Nabers. The decision making is slow and questionable.
And this was Jones' version of playing well. He's just so clearly not the guy. He's a backup caliber player.
I know the exact play you're referencing and agree. Jones wasn't good, but this was a better version of him and it didn't hurt us, it just wasn't worth the 40mil we're paying him a year.
wasn't like number 7 in qbr yesterday?
I don't want to just disregard a stat, but being 7th in QBR doesn't really mean a lot to me. There are things such as taking sacks that factor in which could really be attributed to your OL.
My eyes saw a player that was better than he was the prior week and played a "safe" game which favors QBR, those are the positives. On the negatives, remove Nabers from the situation and I'm not sure we could move the ball, even with good blocking. There were also plenty of mistimed throws and open receivers he didn't see.
Jones played a game I would want from my back up and the reality is, that is probably what is as a QB and all we can ask of him.
I agree, and I'm sure the org feels the same. The quarterback played well. It was the first thing Daboll said after the game. He improved drastically from week 1 to week 2, which is what you'd expect of someone coming back from an ACL. Had the team in position to score 27-31 points with limited possessions.
I realize we're out of time for all these guys and it's win or go home, but that was a winning performance by DJ.
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With a week of "one bad series and he's out", with an alligator pit below him, every media pundit putting his head on a pike - Jones played fucking well. The entire thesis (or so I thought) last year was, give him someone to throw to beyond David Sills or Tanner Hudson, a decent line and the offense will improve. That was supposed to be Waller, which didn't work out, and the line was horrendous. So, now it's Nabers - and this could be evidence of it starting to work out. Yes, if it doesn't work and wins don't start materializing, Jones will obviously be gone. The blood lust is not necessary yet, and instead of folding, Jones showed spine whether you like it or not.
Jones had a fairly neutral game against one the worst teams in the league. Don't be shocked when good defenses continue to own him
It wasn't a neutral game. It was a good game. Not great. But good. The second part of what you say might be entirely correct. In which case, you discard him - which is possible with his contract. The regimes he's had has been horrendous, that's just a fact. That has made it hard to evaluate, at least to my mind. This is the year to judge, but it was just assumed that Minnesota sucks (and they might not) - and now you had a game where he did what a good QB is supposed to do. But if Nabers develops more, the running improves - they might actually have an offense. Or he face plants.
Physics Grade: D- / F
True, F=ma. Need more "M"
Fans will have roughly 3-5 opportunities every year to say Jones played well and admire his "spine." This week presents one, so make the most of it!
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With a week of "one bad series and he's out", with an alligator pit below him, every media pundit putting his head on a pike - Jones played fucking well. The entire thesis (or so I thought) last year was, give him someone to throw to beyond David Sills or Tanner Hudson, a decent line and the offense will improve. That was supposed to be Waller, which didn't work out, and the line was horrendous. So, now it's Nabers - and this could be evidence of it starting to work out. Yes, if it doesn't work and wins don't start materializing, Jones will obviously be gone. The blood lust is not necessary yet, and instead of folding, Jones showed spine whether you like it or not.
Jones had a fairly neutral game against one the worst teams in the league. Don't be shocked when good defenses continue to own him
It wasn't a neutral game. It was a good game. Not great. But good. The second part of what you say might be entirely correct. In which case, you discard him - which is possible with his contract. The regimes he's had has been horrendous, that's just a fact. That has made it hard to evaluate, at least to my mind. This is the year to judge, but it was just assumed that Minnesota sucks (and they might not) - and now you had a game where he did what a good QB is supposed to do. But if Nabers develops more, the running improves - they might actually have an offense. Or he face plants.
A good QB does what Baker Mayfield did to them last week.
24/30 289 4TDs
Agreed. Yes, much better game than last week, but the bottom line is that he threw for 178 yards and 2 TDs against one of the worst secondaries in the NFL. The stats aren't bad, but they're not what you'd want from a 6th year vet making the money he is against that caliber of defense. Being okay with results like this is what has us in this mess.
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With a week of "one bad series and he's out", with an alligator pit below him, every media pundit putting his head on a pike - Jones played fucking well. The entire thesis (or so I thought) last year was, give him someone to throw to beyond David Sills or Tanner Hudson, a decent line and the offense will improve. That was supposed to be Waller, which didn't work out, and the line was horrendous. So, now it's Nabers - and this could be evidence of it starting to work out. Yes, if it doesn't work and wins don't start materializing, Jones will obviously be gone. The blood lust is not necessary yet, and instead of folding, Jones showed spine whether you like it or not.
Jones had a fairly neutral game against one the worst teams in the league. Don't be shocked when good defenses continue to own him
57% completion rate, 178 yards, 2 TDs. Everything underneath or safe, the couple of long shots were off-target, a number of throws were high and tough to catch. Against one of the worst defenses in the NFL. DJ was OK, did what he had to do to keep us in the game, but how will this fare against Dallas, Philly, etc.
brutal incompetency.
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With a week of "one bad series and he's out", with an alligator pit below him, every media pundit putting his head on a pike - Jones played fucking well. The entire thesis (or so I thought) last year was, give him someone to throw to beyond David Sills or Tanner Hudson, a decent line and the offense will improve. That was supposed to be Waller, which didn't work out, and the line was horrendous. So, now it's Nabers - and this could be evidence of it starting to work out. Yes, if it doesn't work and wins don't start materializing, Jones will obviously be gone. The blood lust is not necessary yet, and instead of folding, Jones showed spine whether you like it or not.
Jones had a fairly neutral game against one the worst teams in the league. Don't be shocked when good defenses continue to own him
57% completion rate, 178 yards, 2 TDs. Everything underneath or safe, the couple of long shots were off-target, a number of throws were high and tough to catch. Against one of the worst defenses in the NFL. DJ was OK, did what he had to do to keep us in the game, but how will this fare against Dallas, Philly, etc.
Sorry BiteyMax, I said what you just said - you beat me to it.