Lots of really easy throws drawn up for him. Took some brutal hits he didn't need to. He looks like the best of the rookie QBs, but that isn't saying much right now. Looks like a JV Lamar Jackson to me thus far. Fine player, don't see great.
They never work. Who was the best of the bunch, Vick/Jackson? How many Super Bowls do they have? I know he was a more polished passer than Jackson but it's the same song and dance every year. I rather pass on a QB than get a running QB.
Great mobility, surprisingly hard to bring down considering his frame, ⁶made some nice throws even considering Bowens gift wrapping open chunks of field. Too early to judge any rookies so far but looks good.
That said, with his frame and his running...he is unlikely to hold up.
I always thought that he had the physical ability to play the game at
of "greatness" Daniels can reach. It's his 2nd game Kingsbury is clearly leaning heavily on the stuff JD ran it LSU - a lot of bubble screens out of spread formations. It also didn't help that every time they got down inside the 10, someone would jump offsides.
If Daniels were our rookie QB, I'd be optimistic after seeing him yesterday. He definitely has a lot to work on, but the skills are clearly there.
They never work. Who was the best of the bunch, Vick/Jackson? How many Super Bowls do they have? I know he was a more polished passer than Jackson but it's the same song and dance every year. I rather pass on a QB than get a running QB.
But Daniels is a passing QB who just happens to run very well. He's a legit dual-threat QB.
JFC, what else do you want from the guy's throwing ability? He throws darts all over the field.
mistakes is mature for a rookie QB, so props to him for that. He made one bad pass that should have been picked, but kept the ball out of harms way for the most part.
On a separate note, between Caleb, Jayden and Nix not 1 TD pass in the first 2 games. Pretty crazy.
mistakes is mature for a rookie QB, so props to him for that. He made one bad pass that should have been picked, but kept the ball out of harms way for the most part.
On a separate note, between Caleb, Jayden and Nix not 1 TD pass in the first 2 games. Pretty crazy.
Why so crazy?
You mentioned Lamar. Lamar didn't even start until week 10 his rookie year. Eli, another example, also didn't start until week 10. Both Lamar and Eli had a total of 6 passing TDs their entire rookie years.
There is an acclimation process that should be expected for QB's, even highly picked QB's, to process the game with live action.
RE: I don't know why teams keep drafting QBs that play like him
They never work. Who was the best of the bunch, Vick/Jackson? How many Super Bowls do they have? I know he was a more polished passer than Jackson but it's the same song and dance every year. I rather pass on a QB than get a running QB.
How many Super Bowls does Allen has? Burrow? I could go on and on as a counter point.
They are definitely trying to keep him in the pocket and learn to make all the right reads and decisions.
In college he took some big hits he can't let that happen in the NFL.
Same with Williams.
Hopefully by the end of the year they will let both of them go a little bit.
mistakes is mature for a rookie QB, so props to him for that. He made one bad pass that should have been picked, but kept the ball out of harms way for the most part.
On a separate note, between Caleb, Jayden and Nix not 1 TD pass in the first 2 games. Pretty crazy.
Why so crazy?
You mentioned Lamar. Lamar didn't even start until week 10 his rookie year. Eli, another example, also didn't start until week 10. Both Lamar and Eli had a total of 6 passing TDs their entire rookie years.
There is an acclimation process that should be expected for QB's, even highly picked QB's, to process the game with live action.
3 QBs, 12 quarters of football and not one passing TD isn’t crazy? I’m not saying they suck, but even our own Daniel Jones has 2 TDs
They never work. Who was the best of the bunch, Vick/Jackson? How many Super Bowls do they have? I know he was a more polished passer than Jackson but it's the same song and dance every year. I rather pass on a QB than get a running QB.
But Daniels is a passing QB who just happens to run very well. He's a legit dual-threat QB.
JFC, what else do you want from the guy's throwing ability? He throws darts all over the field.
Darts? I would say more floaters than darts based off yesterday.
mistakes is mature for a rookie QB, so props to him for that. He made one bad pass that should have been picked, but kept the ball out of harms way for the most part.
On a separate note, between Caleb, Jayden and Nix not 1 TD pass in the first 2 games. Pretty crazy.
Why so crazy?
You mentioned Lamar. Lamar didn't even start until week 10 his rookie year. Eli, another example, also didn't start until week 10. Both Lamar and Eli had a total of 6 passing TDs their entire rookie years.
There is an acclimation process that should be expected for QB's, even highly picked QB's, to process the game with live action.
3 QBs, 12 quarters of football and not one passing TD isn’t crazy? I’m not saying they suck, but even our own Daniel Jones has 2 TDs
Not crazy to me, maybe mildly surprising. But not really.
RE: I don't know why teams keep drafting QBs that play like him
They never work. Who was the best of the bunch, Vick/Jackson? How many Super Bowls do they have? I know he was a more polished passer than Jackson but it's the same song and dance every year. I rather pass on a QB than get a running QB.
I guess you never saw Randall Cunningham play? Similar body type and that was during a time in the league when the rules didn’t protect qbs (at all) and the pass rushers were just as good, if not better, than right now. There were some real terrors going after qbs when Cunningham played.
too early to tell, but I would be encouraged as a Commanders fan. Remember he's a rookie who was playing in only his second game. The Commanders kept the passing offense very simple for him, but he still made some nice throws. He was accurate, and obviously has a strong arm.
But I agree with those who say that his body may not hold up with all that running. He is somewhat spindly and slight. His frame may also already be maxed out. He may not be able to add any additional muscle. He scrambles beautifully and is extremely elusive, but needs to do a better job of protecting himself.
Assuming he can stay healthy, I think he will be a really good pro QB. The Commanders will likely open their playbook more as he becomes more comfortable with the speed and complexity of the NFL.
RE: I don't know why teams keep drafting QBs that play like him
They never work. Who was the best of the bunch, Vick/Jackson? How many Super Bowls do they have? I know he was a more polished passer than Jackson but it's the same song and dance every year. I rather pass on a QB than get a running QB.
Most QBs don't win SBs, so you could apply that argument to any archetype if you want to. "Sure, draft another pocket passer! Only like 5 of over 100 QBs drafted in the past thirty years have won a championship."
rookie QBs were not expected to play over veterans if at all. Despite the outliers, CJ Stroud, none of these QBs drafted in the last couple of years have looked anywhere near ready. I’m a huge believer in sitting the rookie and letting them learn from a vet for at least one year. A lot of NFL teams are actually reverting back to that philosophy which is nice to see. Maye is sitting behind, Brissett, Penix behind Cousins, JJ behind Darnold. Willis sat behind Tannehill and Levis for a while and actually looked like he had a clue. I remember his first year he was literally a deer in headlights.
If and when the Giants draft their next quarterback I hope that they have the patience to groom the youngster and not crown him as the franchise savior out of pure desperation, because more often than not, that seems to be a recipe for disaster.
Which brings me to my last point. The Giants NEEDED to draft a QB this year. This fan base has lost all patience with this administration and coaching staff. The next QB they draft will have a TON of pressure to perform from the word go. More likely than not those kinds of expectations will not be met. Where is that going to leave Schoen and Daboll? Are we willing as a fan base to give these guys another three years to get this franchise anywhere near being competitive? Especially when the other GM hires in 2022, Poles in Chicago, Adofo-Mensah in Minnesota, Ziegler in Oakland all have their teams trending in the right direction.
rookie QBs were not expected to play over veterans if at all. Despite the outliers, CJ Stroud, none of these QBs drafted in the last couple of years have looked anywhere near ready. I’m a huge believer in sitting the rookie and letting them learn from a vet for at least one year. A lot of NFL teams are actually reverting back to that philosophy which is nice to see. Maye is sitting behind, Brissett, Penix behind Cousins, JJ behind Darnold. Willis sat behind Tannehill and Levis for a while and actually looked like he had a clue. I remember his first year he was literally a deer in headlights.
If and when the Giants draft their next quarterback I hope that they have the patience to groom the youngster and not crown him as the franchise savior out of pure desperation, because more often than not, that seems to be a recipe for disaster.
Which brings me to my last point. The Giants NEEDED to draft a QB this year. This fan base has lost all patience with this administration and coaching staff. The next QB they draft will have a TON of pressure to perform from the word go. More likely than not those kinds of expectations will not be met. Where is that going to leave Schoen and Daboll? Are we willing as a fan base to give these guys another three years to get this franchise anywhere near being competitive? Especially when the other GM hires in 2022, Poles in Chicago, Adofo-Mensah in Minnesota, Ziegler in Oakland all have their teams trending in the right direction.
lol, literally?
Also, JJ beat out Darnold and was named opening day starter, but was injured.
I think the same I thought around draft time about him
he is really good but he has a very, very, thin frame. To me the only question is will he hold up over time. If he does he will be a continuing problem for us.
Not as high on him as some coming out but pretty efficient yesterday though he could have easily had a few turnovers.
Not sure of all the reasons why he his averaging 16 carries per game and there could be several reasons for that (some not good). All those hits and then the other ones you take in the pocket add up over a long season. Being 200 lbs doesn't help.
mistakes is mature for a rookie QB, so props to him for that. He made one bad pass that should have been picked, but kept the ball out of harms way for the most part.
On a separate note, between Caleb, Jayden and Nix not 1 TD pass in the first 2 games. Pretty crazy.
Why so crazy?
You mentioned Lamar. Lamar didn't even start until week 10 his rookie year. Eli, another example, also didn't start until week 10. Both Lamar and Eli had a total of 6 passing TDs their entire rookie years.
There is an acclimation process that should be expected for QB's, even highly picked QB's, to process the game with live action.
I am impressed with Daniels.
Washington has the training wheels on and he is functioning within those guidelines.
Daniels's game in college was run and gun. He was not a move-the-chains type of QB. If he can develop consistency in his game the big plays will follow.
He's got good feet and a good base, stands up tall when he throws. He's got a lot of ability.
He's got to do a better job of protecting himself when he runs. Coaches in general probably have to do a better job emphasizing this and actually coaching how and when to slide.
He will definitely need to take less blows when on the run though, and get down and out of bounds far more often.
But from a command perspective and moving the team he did really well. Showed good toughness and kept the team on the move, at least until the OL kept having self-inflicted penalties in the red zone.
Some QB know how to soften the blows....he get high impact....it is just a matter of time.
Work 2.....and this isn't the best QB class of all time?
I think he's on his way to a pretty big season. Very composed and the speed of the game does not bother him at all.
Daniels is another gumby type. He can take a hit and bounce back up.
That said, with his frame and his running...he is unlikely to hold up.
If Daniels were our rookie QB, I'd be optimistic after seeing him yesterday. He definitely has a lot to work on, but the skills are clearly there.
Yeah, I'm getting RG3 vibes from him in this sense.
But Daniels is a passing QB who just happens to run very well. He's a legit dual-threat QB.
JFC, what else do you want from the guy's throwing ability? He throws darts all over the field.
On a separate note, between Caleb, Jayden and Nix not 1 TD pass in the first 2 games. Pretty crazy.
Obviously he’s gotta avoid hits, but it’s just game 2, he’ll learn that the size and speed is different than college.
On a separate note, between Caleb, Jayden and Nix not 1 TD pass in the first 2 games. Pretty crazy.
Why so crazy?
You mentioned Lamar. Lamar didn't even start until week 10 his rookie year. Eli, another example, also didn't start until week 10. Both Lamar and Eli had a total of 6 passing TDs their entire rookie years.
There is an acclimation process that should be expected for QB's, even highly picked QB's, to process the game with live action.
How many Super Bowls does Allen has? Burrow? I could go on and on as a counter point.
In college he took some big hits he can't let that happen in the NFL.
Same with Williams.
Hopefully by the end of the year they will let both of them go a little bit.
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mistakes is mature for a rookie QB, so props to him for that. He made one bad pass that should have been picked, but kept the ball out of harms way for the most part.
On a separate note, between Caleb, Jayden and Nix not 1 TD pass in the first 2 games. Pretty crazy.
Why so crazy?
You mentioned Lamar. Lamar didn't even start until week 10 his rookie year. Eli, another example, also didn't start until week 10. Both Lamar and Eli had a total of 6 passing TDs their entire rookie years.
There is an acclimation process that should be expected for QB's, even highly picked QB's, to process the game with live action.
3 QBs, 12 quarters of football and not one passing TD isn’t crazy? I’m not saying they suck, but even our own Daniel Jones has 2 TDs
He needs to get in the weight room and add on about 10 lbs of muscle
No denying his arm talent
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They never work. Who was the best of the bunch, Vick/Jackson? How many Super Bowls do they have? I know he was a more polished passer than Jackson but it's the same song and dance every year. I rather pass on a QB than get a running QB.
But Daniels is a passing QB who just happens to run very well. He's a legit dual-threat QB.
JFC, what else do you want from the guy's throwing ability? He throws darts all over the field.
Darts? I would say more floaters than darts based off yesterday.
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mistakes is mature for a rookie QB, so props to him for that. He made one bad pass that should have been picked, but kept the ball out of harms way for the most part.
On a separate note, between Caleb, Jayden and Nix not 1 TD pass in the first 2 games. Pretty crazy.
Why so crazy?
You mentioned Lamar. Lamar didn't even start until week 10 his rookie year. Eli, another example, also didn't start until week 10. Both Lamar and Eli had a total of 6 passing TDs their entire rookie years.
There is an acclimation process that should be expected for QB's, even highly picked QB's, to process the game with live action.
3 QBs, 12 quarters of football and not one passing TD isn’t crazy? I’m not saying they suck, but even our own Daniel Jones has 2 TDs
Not crazy to me, maybe mildly surprising. But not really.
I guess you never saw Randall Cunningham play? Similar body type and that was during a time in the league when the rules didn’t protect qbs (at all) and the pass rushers were just as good, if not better, than right now. There were some real terrors going after qbs when Cunningham played.
But I agree with those who say that his body may not hold up with all that running. He is somewhat spindly and slight. His frame may also already be maxed out. He may not be able to add any additional muscle. He scrambles beautifully and is extremely elusive, but needs to do a better job of protecting himself.
Assuming he can stay healthy, I think he will be a really good pro QB. The Commanders will likely open their playbook more as he becomes more comfortable with the speed and complexity of the NFL.
Most QBs don't win SBs, so you could apply that argument to any archetype if you want to. "Sure, draft another pocket passer! Only like 5 of over 100 QBs drafted in the past thirty years have won a championship."
If and when the Giants draft their next quarterback I hope that they have the patience to groom the youngster and not crown him as the franchise savior out of pure desperation, because more often than not, that seems to be a recipe for disaster.
Which brings me to my last point. The Giants NEEDED to draft a QB this year. This fan base has lost all patience with this administration and coaching staff. The next QB they draft will have a TON of pressure to perform from the word go. More likely than not those kinds of expectations will not be met. Where is that going to leave Schoen and Daboll? Are we willing as a fan base to give these guys another three years to get this franchise anywhere near being competitive? Especially when the other GM hires in 2022, Poles in Chicago, Adofo-Mensah in Minnesota, Ziegler in Oakland all have their teams trending in the right direction.
If and when the Giants draft their next quarterback I hope that they have the patience to groom the youngster and not crown him as the franchise savior out of pure desperation, because more often than not, that seems to be a recipe for disaster.
Which brings me to my last point. The Giants NEEDED to draft a QB this year. This fan base has lost all patience with this administration and coaching staff. The next QB they draft will have a TON of pressure to perform from the word go. More likely than not those kinds of expectations will not be met. Where is that going to leave Schoen and Daboll? Are we willing as a fan base to give these guys another three years to get this franchise anywhere near being competitive? Especially when the other GM hires in 2022, Poles in Chicago, Adofo-Mensah in Minnesota, Ziegler in Oakland all have their teams trending in the right direction.
lol, literally?
Also, JJ beat out Darnold and was named opening day starter, but was injured.
Not sure of all the reasons why he his averaging 16 carries per game and there could be several reasons for that (some not good). All those hits and then the other ones you take in the pocket add up over a long season. Being 200 lbs doesn't help.
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mistakes is mature for a rookie QB, so props to him for that. He made one bad pass that should have been picked, but kept the ball out of harms way for the most part.
On a separate note, between Caleb, Jayden and Nix not 1 TD pass in the first 2 games. Pretty crazy.
Why so crazy?
You mentioned Lamar. Lamar didn't even start until week 10 his rookie year. Eli, another example, also didn't start until week 10. Both Lamar and Eli had a total of 6 passing TDs their entire rookie years.
There is an acclimation process that should be expected for QB's, even highly picked QB's, to process the game with live action.
Thought Caleb had one last night?
I too think it's a bit surprising nonetheless.
Washington has the training wheels on and he is functioning within those guidelines.
Daniels's game in college was run and gun. He was not a move-the-chains type of QB. If he can develop consistency in his game the big plays will follow.
He will be tough to deal with.
He's got to do a better job of protecting himself when he runs. Coaches in general probably have to do a better job emphasizing this and actually coaching how and when to slide.
He's a much better passer than RG3. His stroke is efficient and his fundamentals much better overall.
But from a command perspective and moving the team he did really well. Showed good toughness and kept the team on the move, at least until the OL kept having self-inflicted penalties in the red zone.
Wish we had him.
Some QB know how to soften the blows....he get high impact....it is just a matter of time.
Work 2.....and this isn't the best QB class of all time?
RG3 looked way better imo. Daniels looked ok and definitely has potential but RG3 his rookie year looked scary.
As a running back he was fine.
The game didn't really change my opinion on him at all. He is a guy who could be really good. Too soon to tell.