It's at least possible that his skills would work in a system like that. It is not possible that Young will succeed on a bad team. He will be completely unplayable, as he has been so far in his career. I don't know if people realize how bad he's been. He looks like a high school player out there. Like he just throws ducks up in random locations on the field. Literally looks like one of the worst QBs ever to play in the NFL.
You cannot put a guy like that out on the field. It's too destructive. It's still possible that he could be OK in a different environment. But I wouldn't give up more than a 7th round pick for him. I know how bad Carolina is, It's still possible that he's not even a 3rd string NFL QB.
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Daniel Jones never did a single thing "infinitely better" than anyone. Kenny Pickett has a 14-10 record as a starter over his first two years. And the absolute right thing to do for the Steelers was to move on from him as he is not an elite talent in the NFL. And neither is Daniel Jones. DJ had a 3-9 record as a starter his rookie year, having a couple of good games against REALLY BAD teams. The absolute right thing to do was draft Justin Herbert in 2020 and trade Daniel Jones at the trade deadline in 2020. DJ is now 22-38-1 as a starter and will be remembered as the worst quarterback in NFL history to ever play the position with fifty or more starts. Everything else is just delusion, denial and self-preservation.
Oh stop it. You guys get so silly with your Daniel Jones hate. Pickett has 24 career starts. Young has 18. Daniel Jones, who BBI reminds me never throws TDs, had more than double the amount of TDs through his first 24 starts compared to Pickett and more than double the amount of TDs Bryce Young had in his first 18 starts. Pickett had one 300 yard passing game in his career, a game the Steelers lost by 30+ points. Daniel Jones had a 300 yard passing game in his first NFL start.
Neither Pickett nor Young showed a single thing as rookies or in their second seasons that would lead anyone to believe that they could be NFL starters. Bringing up Pickett’s record is so ridiculous, lest you think Justin Fields is the reason the Steelers are 2-0 right now and not the defense allowing 8 points per game.
The Giants will move on from Jones after this season, but the idea that he was the same as Pickett or Bryce Young is asinine.
A QB with the top pick. It’s a franchise killer when those qb’s suck. Guess we will be competing against the panthers for a qb in the draft next year
It's only a franchise killer if the franchise lets it kill them. There is nothing stopping a team from drafting another quarterback. What Arizona did with Murray/Rosen should be instructional to everyone.
I'll tell you another team that gets it: Pittsburgh. Did drafting Pickett kill them? Nope. They traded him after two seasons and rebuilt their QB room for cheap. For everyone that asks the question "What options did Schoen have?", just look at Pittsburgh.
So true. Pitt has found ways to compete the last few years when most teams would finally crumble and endure many losing seasons. Not Pitt. I know their fan base is angry and frustrated but at least they fucking win some games. No less than 9 wins per the last 3 seasons. That’s a golden age compared to this shit.
I hope all of the idiots on this thread announcing how much they knew Young could not succeed in the NFL could pull up their posts to Sy’s scouting report where he had Young as a first round pick and QB1 in that draft and show us where they told Sy he was full of shit.
Young is a talented QB who was virtually the consensus top pick. If you want to defend the Giants taking Thibs and Neal where they did because everyone agreed they were top prospects, you have to apply the same logic to the Panthers. They did the same thing, with similar results.
Sometimes top prospects don’t reach their potential for a number of reasons we may not know about. But Young obviously busting because he is small is just a stupid argument to make.
A QB with the top pick. It’s a franchise killer when those qb’s suck. Guess we will be competing against the panthers for a qb in the draft next year
Its bot a franchise killer if your organization recognizes they made a mistake and instead of trying to make something work that cant they move on.
Franchise killers are taking a RB #2 when you are no where near winning and need a QB. That decision set in motion the shit show we have now.
I don't know how you can call taking an RB at 2 a franchise killer but not the wrong QB. Both set a franchise back because you have an oppostunity for a franchiose altering player but waste it.
If Carolina had picked Stroud, they'd be set at QB for the next decade and subsequent drafts are about filling in the holes around him. That's a killer for a franchise. Now even assuming they pick the right QB in this draft, you're at least 4-5 years behind from where you should have been
The other point here is that Dalton will likely revive this team
said the Panthers are one of the worst teams he has seen since he started doing this. Said Bryce is missing throws he made in high school and his confidence is shot. He had him as the top QB in that draft. I saw another brief clip and his mechanics are terrible and looks nothing like what I remember.
This is looking like a reboot situation somewhere else.
Not sure I get the point of the benching. You drafted the guy #1 overall and need to let him work through it with the new coach.
If the quarterback can't function in the offense, you're hurting the development of the other players. A team can't operate in the service of a QB no matter how high he was drafted.
Not sure I get the point of the benching. You drafted the guy #1 overall and need to let him work through it with the new coach.
I never spent one second worried that if Jones wasn't playing for the Giants because he was benched or if they gave up on him after two seasons and he was sent away to another team, that we'd be missing him and he'd flourish elsewhere.
Maybe Carolina has the same confidence in Young that I do in Jones? Which is none.
That's what Young looks like. Maybe worse. The situation is bad, but he has played like the worst QB you have ever seen in the NFL. And that's coming off 1st team reps since last year. They had to bench him.
You cannot put a guy like that out on the field. It's too destructive. It's still possible that he could be OK in a different environment. But I wouldn't give up more than a 7th round pick for him. I know how bad Carolina is, It's still possible that he's not even a 3rd string NFL QB.
Daniel Jones never did a single thing "infinitely better" than anyone. Kenny Pickett has a 14-10 record as a starter over his first two years. And the absolute right thing to do for the Steelers was to move on from him as he is not an elite talent in the NFL. And neither is Daniel Jones. DJ had a 3-9 record as a starter his rookie year, having a couple of good games against REALLY BAD teams. The absolute right thing to do was draft Justin Herbert in 2020 and trade Daniel Jones at the trade deadline in 2020. DJ is now 22-38-1 as a starter and will be remembered as the worst quarterback in NFL history to ever play the position with fifty or more starts. Everything else is just delusion, denial and self-preservation.
Oh stop it. You guys get so silly with your Daniel Jones hate. Pickett has 24 career starts. Young has 18. Daniel Jones, who BBI reminds me never throws TDs, had more than double the amount of TDs through his first 24 starts compared to Pickett and more than double the amount of TDs Bryce Young had in his first 18 starts. Pickett had one 300 yard passing game in his career, a game the Steelers lost by 30+ points. Daniel Jones had a 300 yard passing game in his first NFL start.
Neither Pickett nor Young showed a single thing as rookies or in their second seasons that would lead anyone to believe that they could be NFL starters. Bringing up Pickett’s record is so ridiculous, lest you think Justin Fields is the reason the Steelers are 2-0 right now and not the defense allowing 8 points per game.
The Giants will move on from Jones after this season, but the idea that he was the same as Pickett or Bryce Young is asinine.
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A QB with the top pick. It’s a franchise killer when those qb’s suck. Guess we will be competing against the panthers for a qb in the draft next year
It's only a franchise killer if the franchise lets it kill them. There is nothing stopping a team from drafting another quarterback. What Arizona did with Murray/Rosen should be instructional to everyone.
I'll tell you another team that gets it: Pittsburgh. Did drafting Pickett kill them? Nope. They traded him after two seasons and rebuilt their QB room for cheap. For everyone that asks the question "What options did Schoen have?", just look at Pittsburgh.
So true. Pitt has found ways to compete the last few years when most teams would finally crumble and endure many losing seasons. Not Pitt. I know their fan base is angry and frustrated but at least they fucking win some games. No less than 9 wins per the last 3 seasons. That’s a golden age compared to this shit.
Its bot a franchise killer if your organization recognizes they made a mistake and instead of trying to make something work that cant they move on.
Franchise killers are taking a RB #2 when you are no where near winning and need a QB. That decision set in motion the shit show we have now.
Young is a talented QB who was virtually the consensus top pick. If you want to defend the Giants taking Thibs and Neal where they did because everyone agreed they were top prospects, you have to apply the same logic to the Panthers. They did the same thing, with similar results.
Sometimes top prospects don’t reach their potential for a number of reasons we may not know about. But Young obviously busting because he is small is just a stupid argument to make.
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A QB with the top pick. It’s a franchise killer when those qb’s suck. Guess we will be competing against the panthers for a qb in the draft next year
Its bot a franchise killer if your organization recognizes they made a mistake and instead of trying to make something work that cant they move on.
Franchise killers are taking a RB #2 when you are no where near winning and need a QB. That decision set in motion the shit show we have now.
I don't know how you can call taking an RB at 2 a franchise killer but not the wrong QB. Both set a franchise back because you have an oppostunity for a franchiose altering player but waste it.
If Carolina had picked Stroud, they'd be set at QB for the next decade and subsequent drafts are about filling in the holes around him. That's a killer for a franchise. Now even assuming they pick the right QB in this draft, you're at least 4-5 years behind from where you should have been
This is looking like a reboot situation somewhere else.
If the quarterback can't function in the offense, you're hurting the development of the other players. A team can't operate in the service of a QB no matter how high he was drafted.
I never spent one second worried that if Jones wasn't playing for the Giants because he was benched or if they gave up on him after two seasons and he was sent away to another team, that we'd be missing him and he'd flourish elsewhere.
Maybe Carolina has the same confidence in Young that I do in Jones? Which is none.
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