'I thought he played a really good game.'
I was curious what the thinking @ 1925 Giants Way on Jones' performance yesterday & knew I could count on these shills to parrot the company line so I listened to their podcast Beleve or whatever the hell the name of it is. This will probably be the one & only time I listen to it because these two are boring AF.
I thought Jones was fine yesterday. Functional. Adequate. OK. But 'he played really well'? He missed multiple throws deep. He zeroed in on Robinson one play where Nabers was wide open. He averaged less than 7 yards per pass. Meanwhile, Sam Darnold-who makes pennies compared to Danny Dimes-averaged 10 yards per pass.
I know a lot of you think I hate Jones personally. I don't. He seems like a good dude/teammate & hard worker. But WTF are we doing here where we have a Giants commentator praising him for his play yesterday? Is the bar THAT fucking low for this guy in year six?
Totally expecting 4XChamps to call me names, Haha.
Does anyone have a feel for where Daboll has set the bar?
He says the team improved...did he forget we played Washington a bottom dwelling team and lost! So that means this team was totally unprepared to start the season 2 weeks ago.
Company man.
2 were ended by his teammates messing up
1 was 3 and out
He played more than well enough to win and made some big time plays. It’s sad we have gotten to the point where we can’t acknowledge a good game by him.
And let’s not forget he did this with no defense and no kicker.
Jones played another solid game against Washington. That is what he has done in his career. Jones could be in a Russian prison in Siberia for a year, be let out, and play a good game against Washington the following week.
Carl should go watch the games Murray and Carr played. Those efforts were "really good games".
Carl is a homer though.
Got it coach. I'm going to write "Throw it to Malik" 10,000 times on tbe whiteboard every day this week."
'Man that kid works hard."
Jones played another solid game against Washington. That is what he has done in his career. Jones could be in a Russian prison in Siberia for a year, be let out, and play a good game against Washington the following week.
Carl should go watch the games Murray and Carr played. Those efforts were "really good games".
Well said.
As much grief that Jones brings to the table, he looked much improved, just not bouncing the ball off the turf all day is huge. He actually looked off the defense to make a couple of good throws, shock !!!!!!
The Skins, I still call them that, they counted on him doing that, it was as obvious as the nose on your face. If he just works on that, we just might surprise the NFL.
Remember the Coughlin phrase…..Giants Pride; it is so far from it.
I place a lot of credence or emphasis on pts scored when evaluating a QB. Individual stats are fine and do reflect success to some degree but to me nothing determines offensive success as much as pts scored. 18 pts against an average at best team, in a loss, is no good. Aware there was no FG kicker but we needed jones and the offense to deliver. They didn’t.
He barely threw anything over 8 yards . 6.35 ypa
He didn’t take any real chances and when he did he threw it so far that not even the speedy Nabers who can jump super high had a chance at them
He basically only dumped off and threw to Nabers. 10 of his 16 completions were to Nabers and 127 of his 178 yards.
He took off at any sign of pressure. And he didn’t face that much pressure . And his RB was getting 5.9 ypc
This is type of game that you expect from a good backup QB
I place a lot of credence or emphasis on pts scored when evaluating a QB. Individual stats are fine and do reflect success to some degree but to me nothing determines offensive success as much as pts scored. 18 pts against an average at best team, in a loss, is no good. Aware there was no FG kicker but we needed jones and the offense to deliver. They didn’t.
Of all people to defend Jones - me - but they only had the ball 22 minutes in the game.
Imagine if Singletary didn't fumble, too.
That said, I think Washington's D is horrible. So I will be very surprised if Jones has similar success against ANYONE else. But let's acknowledge that he played well yesterday, even if it never happens again.
The Washington Commanders are a terrible football team. Especially on defense. They gave up 37 points and 290 yards passing with 4 TDs to Tampa week 1.
Daniel Jones threw for 178 yards. Most of that yardage was Nabers yards after catch. Jones completed 16 passes, 10 of them to Nabers. He threw 3 long passes that weren't close to the receiver. Nabers of course all 3 times.
Going off my terrible memory I don't think he completed a pass that traveled 15 yards in the air.
He had very good pass protection all game and the few times he had to move in the pocket he created nothing.
The Giants are going to be at a QB disadvantage in almost every game they play this year.
He could go a long way to rehabbing his reputation in the next two games. Dallas is really the critical one, as that matchup combines all of his career nightmares (primetime and home struggles).
The loss isn't on him but that is not a "very good game".
16 of 28 for 178 yards and 2 Tds for a 6.35 ypa and 18 pts in a loss to a team that finished with the 2nd worst record last year and a rookie QB and a new HC.
Doesn't mean it's an indication of things to come. But if we're in the business of intellectual honesty and evaluation of the team we root for, there's no reason to deny he played well.
Doesn't mean it's an indication of things to come. But if we're in the business of intellectual honesty and evaluation of the team we root for, there's no reason to deny he played well.
Good post Christian.
He barely threw anything over 8 yards . 6.35 ypa
He didn’t take any real chances and when he did he threw it so far that not even the speedy Nabers who can jump super high had a chance at them
He basically only dumped off and threw to Nabers. 10 of his 16 completions were to Nabers and 127 of his 178 yards.
He took off at any sign of pressure. And he didn’t face that much pressure . And his RB was getting 5.9 ypc
This is type of game that you expect from a good backup QB
^This. He succeeded within the context of an offense that has been dramatically simplified for him because he can't regularly read defenses well enough to execute a more complex offense.
Doesn't mean it's an indication of things to come. But if we're in the business of intellectual honesty and evaluation of the team we root for, there's no reason to deny he played well.
WTF ARE WE DOING?
He had 7 drives. Led them to three TDs. Was in FG range at the end. Had another drive poised to score points except Singletary fumbled. So successful on 6 of 7 drives. He only had 22 minutes of game time. Why be a shitbag? Seriously?
But it was reminiscent of 2022 DJ and Daboll's "training wheels and guard rails" approach. The same approach the Packers scripted for Malik Willis yesterday, except Willis had a higher rating and led his team to a win.
The entire thesis of the offense is Singletary is a more consistent back, and the pass catching weapons can produce yards with the ball in their hands.
You can't knock Jones because it actually worked.
Knock him for his ceiling, and the probability this performance is likely only repeatable against bad teams.
2 were ended by his teammates messing up
1 was 3 and out
He played more than well enough to win and made some big time plays. It’s sad we have gotten to the point where we can’t acknowledge a good game by him.
And let’s not forget he did this with no defense and no kicker.
actually, this is a great game for a QB. But let's not spoil the BBI narrative that you can't win with this guy.
He put it right in Slaytons hands for a 2 pt conversion and it was dropped
Oh, the shills will.
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Against the Worse Pass Defense in the league. Let’s not go crazy.
Oh, the shills will.
He had the ball for 20 minutes. I mean he stinks but yesterday we lost because of our equally incompetent coach and our defense. Daniel Jones was fine
Then again, overvaluing Jones' performance against a historically bad Vikings defense in 2022 is what got Jones the $160M contract in the first place.
Then again, overvaluing Jones' performance against a historically bad Vikings defense in 2022 is what got Jones the $160M contract in the first place.
Dude we were averaging 6 yards a carry running the darn ball. His star receiver dropped a ball on him and his rb fumbled a ball. Thr giants were moving at will except for one series. Anyone who thinks it was on Jones’ is either blinded by hate or not very bright.
I place a lot of credence or emphasis on pts scored when evaluating a QB. Individual stats are fine and do reflect success to some degree but to me nothing determines offensive success as much as pts scored. 18 pts against an average at best team, in a loss, is no good. Aware there was no FG kicker but we needed jones and the offense to deliver. They didn’t.
2022 we were averaging 2pts per drive with DJ which was pretty good (above average). The low turnovers and really, really crappy skill players and OL made that more impressive. Combining those results and that was a good-to-great year productivity-wise. (And yes, that’s despite throwing only 15 TDs.) We also had 10% fewer drives than the average team that year.
For the Wash game, 18 pts off of 6 drives is really good production especially with a missed extra point and a fumble in (what is normally) field goal range.
Papa has always been a joke.
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After 2022 was the team scored 23-24 or 27 pts in many wins that year and they needed every one of those pts. I understand that 375 or pts scored (I forgot was the exact number was) is barely above average but those points were of the consistent variety. They didn’t score 38 one week and 10 the next.
I place a lot of credence or emphasis on pts scored when evaluating a QB. Individual stats are fine and do reflect success to some degree but to me nothing determines offensive success as much as pts scored. 18 pts against an average at best team, in a loss, is no good. Aware there was no FG kicker but we needed jones and the offense to deliver. They didn’t.
I judge QBs similarly but using points per drive. Not doing so makes absolutely no sense.
2022 we were averaging 2pts per drive with DJ which was pretty good (above average). The low turnovers and really, really crappy skill players and OL made that more impressive. Combining those results and that was a good-to-great year productivity-wise. (And yes, that’s despite throwing only 15 TDs.) We also had 10% fewer drives than the average team that year.
For the Wash game, 18 pts off of 6 drives is really good production especially with a missed extra point and a fumble in (what is normally) field goal range.
Not at all impressive against one of the worst defenses in the league.
He did everything we needed him to do to win the game. He will be the QB for the rest of the season and gone next. chill out everyone and let it play out
(*past results are not an indication of future results)