'I thought he played a really good game.'
I was curious what the thinking @ 1925 Giants Way on Jones' performance yesterday & knew I could count on these shills to parrot the company line so I listened to their podcast Beleve or whatever the hell the name of it is. This will probably be the one & only time I listen to it because these two are boring AF.
I thought Jones was fine yesterday. Functional. Adequate. OK. But 'he played really well'? He missed multiple throws deep. He zeroed in on Robinson one play where Nabers was wide open. He averaged less than 7 yards per pass. Meanwhile, Sam Darnold-who makes pennies compared to Danny Dimes-averaged 10 yards per pass.
I know a lot of you think I hate Jones personally. I don't. He seems like a good dude/teammate & hard worker. But WTF are we doing here where we have a Giants commentator praising him for his play yesterday? Is the bar THAT fucking low for this guy in year six?
Totally expecting 4XChamps to call me names, Haha.
We all know he’s a bottom tier QB. We all know it’s a bad contract. We all know he’ll be off the team next year.
The bigger concern is the defense is awful. 99yd drive last week. Couldn’t get off the field. This week same thing. 40min TOP. If it wasn’t for Wash OL having several penalties, they would’ve blown us out.
Most of the defense is signed for next year and beyond. They need to play a lot better.
Doesn't mean it's an indication of things to come. But if we're in the business of intellectual honesty and evaluation of the team we root for, there's no reason to deny he played well.
There is no reason. So why do they do it?
Frankly I was surprised he was only 16/28. Thought he had a better completion percentage.
Doesn't mean I want to keep him. We have been down that road. But he was completely different than the guy from the week before.
Frankly I was surprised he was only 16/28. Thought he had a better completion percentage.
Doesn't mean I want to keep him. We have been down that road. But he was completely different than the guy from the week before.
The ones here who spend their lives on here shitting on him will never admit he played well. They are obsessed with him. Their lives revolve around telling people Jones sucks.
Guess what he does suck and should be gone after the year but he played more than well enough to win Sunday. Only if we had a competent coach and defense.
Who?
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Great then too?
Who?
lol see they can’t help themselves. Their main goal in life is to shit on Jones or anything that says anything positive about him.
I mean I really don’t give a fuck if Willis or Fields played well. I didn’t watch their games. It looks like Willis did. But I do know their coach was smart enough to have a healthy kicker on both teams and their defense didn’t let the other team score on every possession.
But I have to check with the experts if those things affect a game.
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Great then too?
Who?
lol see they can’t help themselves. Their main goal in life is to shit on Jones or anything that says anything positive about him.
I mean I really don’t give a fuck if Willis or Fields played well. I didn’t watch their games. It looks like Willis did. But I do know their coach was smart enough to have a healthy kicker on both teams and their defense didn’t let the other team score on every possession.
But I have to check with the experts if those things affect a game.
Maybe there’s a secret decoder ring to figure out when the numbers tell the story and when they don’t
This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us
We are putting training wheels on
This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us
We are putting training wheels on
Simplify the offense. You know this how?
Look I am all for a new QB and have been. But simplify the offense?
I will wait for Sy's write up to tell me that it is simplified.
This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us
We are putting training wheels on
Just look at the difference with a real QB and its not to compare players
Theres alot of talk amongst Jets fans that Rodgers was changing things and shifting protections at the LOS and how this was like nothing thry have seen after years of Wilson & Darnold and how it helped win the game
Imagine that. A QB who can not just take advantage of the defense but cause it to happen?
As opposed to our QB who in his own words “Coach Daboll told me what to do and like always I followed the plan” and the offense needs to be tailored to his limitations
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We have to simplify the offense for our 6 yr veteran 40 mil QB to play even a decent game against a bad team
This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us
We are putting training wheels on
Simplify the offense. You know this how?
Look I am all for a new QB and have been. But simplify the offense?
I will wait for Sy's write up to tell me that it is simplified.
Watch the game and observe the sets we ran in comparison to week 1
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We have to simplify the offense for our 6 yr veteran 40 mil QB to play even a decent game against a bad team
This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us
We are putting training wheels on
Simplify the offense. You know this how?
Look I am all for a new QB and have been. But simplify the offense?
I will wait for Sy's write up to tell me that it is simplified.
Watch the game and observe the sets we ran in comparison to week 1
So being that we moved the ball at will - the sets worked? Hmm, good catch!
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We have to simplify the offense for our 6 yr veteran 40 mil QB to play even a decent game against a bad team
This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us
We are putting training wheels on
Simplify the offense. You know this how?
Look I am all for a new QB and have been. But simplify the offense?
I will wait for Sy's write up to tell me that it is simplified.
Watch the game and observe the sets we ran in comparison to week 1
Has nothing to do with the opposing defense, right? Kafka didn't look at the defense WFT runs and then chose how to attack it? No he decide Jones is a dumbass and made his plan regardless of the defense...
That's unfair. I haven't had a beer since 7 PM Sunday at the Bruce festival, Haha.
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And SFGF doesn’t like to drink either.
That's unfair. I haven't had a beer since 7 PM Sunday at the Bruce festival, Haha.
You saw a helluva setlist.
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In comment 16613686 HardTruth said:
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We have to simplify the offense for our 6 yr veteran 40 mil QB to play even a decent game against a bad team
This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us
We are putting training wheels on
Simplify the offense. You know this how?
Look I am all for a new QB and have been. But simplify the offense?
I will wait for Sy's write up to tell me that it is simplified.
Watch the game and observe the sets we ran in comparison to week 1
Has nothing to do with the opposing defense, right? Kafka didn't look at the defense WFT runs and then chose how to attack it? No he decide Jones is a dumbass and made his plan regardless of the defense...
Whatever you say man. Ive got 62 games and 6 years to go on . Enjoy the week of pounding the table about 178 yds and 2 TDs in a loss. We all know where this is going by end of October
What would you call starting dozen of threads and thousands of posts that he sucks then?
What would you call starting dozen of threads and thousands of posts that he sucks then?
The truth
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he wasn’t the guy who elevated his team to a win despite the screw-ups of others. He didn’t put the team on his back and bail them all out by willing a win. Players need their QB to be that guy sometimes.
Lol out best WR dropped a ball right in his hands that would have iced the game. Jones put it there. Should he have walked over and handed it to him?
lol. The agendas are flowing now. Same shit from the same posters. Know nothings.
How would a first down in a tie game have iced said game, with us unable to kick a field goal? Nabers’ drop stopped a drive in a tie game. It would not have won us the game.
1. Jones played well on Sunday. Not perfect, but he played well. He was good on the short throws and not so good on the long ones, but he gave us a chance to win against a bad defense.
2. The Giants need to find a QB who can run the offense and score points against teams with something other than horrible defenses. Jones isn’t that guy.
He’s the best.
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he wasn’t the guy who elevated his team to a win despite the screw-ups of others. He didn’t put the team on his back and bail them all out by willing a win. Players need their QB to be that guy sometimes.
Lol out best WR dropped a ball right in his hands that would have iced the game. Jones put it there. Should he have walked over and handed it to him?
lol. The agendas are flowing now. Same shit from the same posters. Know nothings.
How would a first down in a tie game have iced said game, with us unable to kick a field goal? Nabers’ drop stopped a drive in a tie game. It would not have won us the game.
I didn’t say. Thunder did. But we both can agree the drop was a big part of the game.
Now the question is so what? If acknowledging that fact is largely a test of someone's capacity to tell the truth or be tethered to reality, then I think nearly all Jones critics would pass it. I dont' really see anyone saying Jones was bad on Sunday.
So, then the question becomes so what? What's the significance of this game from Jones? Has it moved the needle in any infinitesimal or meaningful way about our prospects of becoming a consistent, winning team with an explosive passing offense with him? I think you'd have to be Dr. Pangloss to think so.
Then finally the question moves to how should we think about Carl Banks's statement, given his employer and the general polyannish attitude of this franchise? I think at the bare minimum, it's a little troubling to see them describing Sunday's performance as "Hats off" worthy.
I am glad he played well. Hope he plays that well or better every game.
Not a great game for the Jones attacks imv. Let it build for another day.
I am glad he played well. Hope he plays that well or better every game.
If Jones were a good QB you would have not gotten a “hats off to Daniel Jones” for that game. It was only because he has been so bad that that kind of game gets praise. It was an outlier performance for Jones, which is what drew the praise.
Ten years to now find a OL we hope will rise to the level of medicore. Quality players, like Lawrence and Thomas waste their prime years waiting for the team to surround them with talent. Defense cannot tackle--again. Defense cannot stop the run-again. Coaching malpractice--again. Giant fans wait every game for the inevitable mistake--the pick 6, the fumble, the dropped pass or the missed coverage. Who among us watches a game expecting the break to go our way? It's a loop that this organization has not figured out how to break in a decade.
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But how low does the bar have to be for us to celebrate that game? I am glad he looked much better, but that was just a decent game from an NFL QB. I just don't think it was really worthy of a "hats off to Daniel Jones". But if CB is trying to build confidence for him, have at it.
I am glad he played well. Hope he plays that well or better every game.
If Jones were a good QB you would have not gotten a “hats off to Daniel Jones” for that game. It was only because he has been so bad that that kind of game gets praise. It was an outlier performance for Jones, which is what drew the praise.
Did Jones play well? Yes. Was it a performance worthy of celebration? No
Like leading a game tying TD drive in the fourth and leading them into the red zone for a chance to win the game?
If that excites you, then I guess "hats off to you"
If that excites you, then I guess "hats off to you"
What's funny is that historically Jones doesn't just play well against bad defense, he destroys them (rookie year, Vikings playoff win). The same people who like to prop up those games as "the real Daniel" are now the ones saying we should be happy that he was a functional QB on Sunday.
It's amazing how low the bar is
newsflash boys - DJ did not play great, well, or even OK on Sunday. he fulfilled his role as a don't-lose-the-game-for-us game manager. he reached peak Elvis Grbac! so yeah, he didn't lose the game for us! woohoo! somehow, that translates to "Daniel played well on Sunday." you mean the guy who led us to 18 points against one of the worst teams in the league?
I think you doofuses forgot what good QB play looks like, but here's a hint - a good QB reads defenses. he looks around the field and finds the open man. he confuses defenses. he makes plays DOWN the field. he CREATES opportunities. he has strong pocket presence and field vision. and most importantly, a good QB elevates the play of the folks around him.
this is not a good or great or even decent QB. this is the worst QB in the entire league. the single worst starter out of 32 teams, and probably worse than many teams' backup QB.
the ONLY people on planet Earth that think this guy is a good QB are the BBI DJFC, John Mara, and Daniel's grandma. that's it. everyone else has moved on.
When I think of a "hats off" moment for Eli, the Super Bowls and NFC Championship games come to mind. I don't think of the 2006 Dallas home game he lost 23-20 and threw for two touchdowns. Frankly, he would say it was an "I didn't do enough to win moment" and I would say it was "who gives a crap about the quarterback moment?" It was a fucking loss!
The debate here is not whether DJ had a good game. It is, 1) how low of a bar is "exemplary performance" for DJ to warrant a "hats off" commendation, and 2) how much of a boot licking shill for this organization has Carl Banks become?
It's just really really sad to see.
If you say Jones played well in ONE game, now all of a sudden your a Jones fan in hiding or use the same fucking dumb moniker. It's sad.
What if we said Jones sucked last week and needs to be replaced. What kind of fan are we? This is all so confusing. Too many experts here to get stories straight.
You're probably frustrated about the Giants. It's not the Jones critics you should be mad at. You'd be better directing your ire at Jones or management.
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He also didn't really do anything to win them the game the way you'd expect someone in his position to do
Like leading a game tying TD drive in the fourth and leading them into the red zone for a chance to win the game?
No. I mean putting the game away early so that it's not a nail-biter. WAS is a team that 6 year, $40M vet should have been able to light up, and he didn't. Barely putting your team in a position to maybe win if things go the way you hope is NOT the performance of an alleged franchise QB.
I find it amazing how many fans have allowed themselves to be bullshitted into thinking mediocrity is acceptable.
You're probably frustrated about the Giants. It's not the Jones critics you should be mad at. You'd be better directing your ire at Jones or management.
I dont get frustrated over a game that I have no control over. When the Giants lose - I find my kids, play outside, maybe follow my fantasy team. Make dinner.
The point is simple.
Jones sucks and shouldnt be our starter in the future, but he played a good game Sunday.
The trolls on this board cant handle that, which is why you see them saying the same shit over and over and over and over...... well you get the picture.
If that performance is deserving of a "hats off" acknowledgement from a Giants homer, it's pretty sad but that's the low bar the QB is apparently expected to clear.
It's a waste of time to evaluate Jones on that scale week-to-week when it's obvious that he's just not the guy, never was, and never will be.
No. I mean putting the game away early so that it's not a nail-biter.
Ok please explain how he was suppose to do that? Telling Singletary to not fumble? Kick extra points? Make a tackle on 3rd and long?
Using cliche sayings doesnt make your point right.
Again 6 drives
3 TDs
One ending on a fumble
One ending on a perfect pass that was dropped
one 3 and out.
If you want to blame him for the 3 and out that hurt us having a chance to win the game - I guess?
But again, you are placing direct blame om Jones when our defensive let them score on EVERY possession AND we had no kicker.
But 18 points!! Look at his stats!!!
Spare me.
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JT? What's the point you're trying to make? What is the significance of Jones's uncontroversially "good/fine" game? Is to point out Jones's critics as obsessive or barely tethered to reality? How? Nearly all of them have said he played fine. Is it that they discount the significance of the performance? How should we read it? Should this game matter given the sample size? How do you read the sample size?
You're probably frustrated about the Giants. It's not the Jones critics you should be mad at. You'd be better directing your ire at Jones or management.
I dont get frustrated over a game that I have no control over. When the Giants lose - I find my kids, play outside, maybe follow my fantasy team. Make dinner.
The point is simple.
Jones sucks and shouldnt be our starter in the future, but he played a good game Sunday.
The trolls on this board cant handle that, which is why you see them saying the same shit over and over and over and over...... well you get the picture.
I suppose you just dislike the people on this thread, because their responses to Jones's game are not to say he was bad, but rather to be concerned about what "hats off" or huge praise from an employee of a media outlet known to be homers might mean for our future with Jones. Management has not shown any willingness to move off Jones despite more than enough evidence that he's at best a bottom 1/3 starter. So the reasonable (note not incontestable) conclusion to draw is that management will severely outweigh fine to good performance an severely discount bad performances.
Ok please explain how he was suppose to do that?
He's had 6 years to figure that out how to overcome his teammates mistakes. Why hasn't he? Why is is always his teammates on the hook to bail out his mistakes?
Again, he didn't cost them the game, and in DJ's evaluation, that's a plus. If you're cool with the bare minimal of expectations from a 6 year $40M veteran QB, that's wholly on you.
Some people like the taste of shit
There are other things to point out.
The personnel groups are managing the shortcomings instead of exploiting mismatched.
Putting your team in a chance to win with your play - which he most certainly did. But if you dont agree - ill have rnargi bitchslap you again.
But again, you are placing direct blame om Jones when our defensive let them score on EVERY possession AND we had no kicker.
But 18 points!! Look at his stats!!!
Spare me.
Where did I do that? Quote me. You can't.