'I thought he played a really good game.'
I was curious what the thinking @ 1925 Giants Way on Jones' performance yesterday & knew I could count on these shills to parrot the company line so I listened to their podcast Beleve or whatever the hell the name of it is. This will probably be the one & only time I listen to it because these two are boring AF.
I thought Jones was fine yesterday. Functional. Adequate. OK. But 'he played really well'? He missed multiple throws deep. He zeroed in on Robinson one play where Nabers was wide open. He averaged less than 7 yards per pass. Meanwhile, Sam Darnold-who makes pennies compared to Danny Dimes-averaged 10 yards per pass.
I know a lot of you think I hate Jones personally. I don't. He seems like a good dude/teammate & hard worker. But WTF are we doing here where we have a Giants commentator praising him for his play yesterday? Is the bar THAT fucking low for this guy in year six?
Totally expecting 4XChamps to call me names, Haha.
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.
5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.
It depends on how you give up the 20 points though. If you do it over 40 minutes it will be a lot less time to score then if you give up 20 points in 30 minutes so that your offense has an extra ten minutes of time to work with. Our defense was awful and just about the only good thing you can say was that the red zone defense was excellent with some help from Washington penalties.
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In comment 16613948 JT039 said:
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.
5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.
It depends on how you give up the 20 points though. If you do it over 40 minutes it will be a lot less time to score then if you give up 20 points in 30 minutes so that your offense has an extra ten minutes of time to work with. Our defense was awful and just about the only good thing you can say was that the red zone defense was excellent with some help from Washington penalties.
1) Dep is still talking about the Minnesota game for some reason, he’s a little obsessed
2) what does this even mean
After the 10 minute opening drive that netted Washington only a FG, the time of possession was 27-22 in Washington’s favor. That’s a fairly even split to put up enough points to win from down 3-0.
1. career ending injury or
2. Jones finally being cut and never being a good starter anywhere else.
Then they can say "he just never had a chance here" for the rest of their days and they can avoid admitting they were wrong.
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In comment 16613948 JT039 said:
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.
5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.
It depends on how you give up the 20 points though. If you do it over 40 minutes it will be a lot less time to score then if you give up 20 points in 30 minutes so that your offense has an extra ten minutes of time to work with. Our defense was awful and just about the only good thing you can say was that the red zone defense was excellent with some help from Washington penalties.
what it means is that you are taking things out of context and just blindly stating that teams who gave up 20+ won game. You are even doing it now, besides the 11 minute drive that opened the game Washington still only out possessed by five minutes for the rest. The fact remains that we basically scored a point per minute (if you include the missed XP that Gano would have made).
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.
5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.
It always amazes me how easy it is to manipulate stats. So the fact that Washington never punted, held the ball about 38 minutes
and went on 7 consecutive scoring drives including marching right down the field at the end of the game is all part of a defensive performance you can win with and it's the offense is inept.
I can see you guys are getting into a feeding frenzy here, but this is ridiculous even for you, unless three unarmed Giants are the ones who told you while you were heckling Jones as he walked out of stadium.
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In comment 16613948 JT039 said:
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.
5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.
It depends on how you give up the 20 points though. If you do it over 40 minutes it will be a lot less time to score then if you give up 20 points in 30 minutes so that your offense has an extra ten minutes of time to work with. Our defense was awful and just about the only good thing you can say was that the red zone defense was excellent with some help from Washington penalties.
what it means is that you are taking things out of context and just blindly stating that teams who gave up 20+ won game. You are even doing it now, besides the 11 minute drive that opened the game Washington still only out possessed by five minutes for the rest. The fact remains that we basically scored a point per minute (if you include the missed XP that Gano would have made).
Again, Dep was talking about week 1. I never said the Giants defense was fine in week 1
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In comment 16613961 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 16613948 JT039 said:
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.
5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.
It depends on how you give up the 20 points though. If you do it over 40 minutes it will be a lot less time to score then if you give up 20 points in 30 minutes so that your offense has an extra ten minutes of time to work with. Our defense was awful and just about the only good thing you can say was that the red zone defense was excellent with some help from Washington penalties.
what it means is that you are taking things out of context and just blindly stating that teams who gave up 20+ won game. You are even doing it now, besides the 11 minute drive that opened the game Washington still only out possessed by five minutes for the rest. The fact remains that we basically scored a point per minute (if you include the missed XP that Gano would have made).
Again, Dep was talking about week 1. I never said the Giants defense was fine in week 1
In week 2
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In comment 16613948 JT039 said:
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.
5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.
It always amazes me how easy it is to manipulate stats. So the fact that Washington never punted, held the ball about 38 minutes
and went on 7 consecutive scoring drives including marching right down the field at the end of the game is all part of a defensive performance you can win with and it's the offense is inept.
I can see you guys are getting into a feeding frenzy here, but this is ridiculous even for you, unless three unarmed Giants are the ones who told you while you were heckling Jones as he walked out of stadium.
Dep wasn’t talking about Washington, for the 10th time. He’s still obsessed with the Minnesota game
Sy's review is now up and he thinks Jones played well too. Here is what he said about Jones:
After a week one to forget, he bounced back and put this team in position to win. That is the first job of a quarterback, and he got it done. When looking at the details of his game – the factors that impact wins and losses the most (turnovers, sacks, explosive plays, and penalties) Jones’ performance was taken to an even higher level. Not one turnover, he took just one sack for three yards, he passed for three explosive plays 20+ yard gains). The mis-fire metric that I discussed last week was down from a week ago by an incredible margin. I recorded just two poor throws (the missed deep balls were not mis-fires). He was one of 9 quarterbacks league wide to finish with a 100+ passer rating. He was one of 11 quarterbacks league wide to not throw any turnover worthy passes.
So, the numbers look great in contrast to where Jones started off week one. Beyond that, I was pleased with the decisiveness overall feel in the pocket.
I respect Sy's opinion, but at the end of the day, it's an opinion from a guy watching the game. Just like all of us. Here was the retort I put in the thread. Sy and I must have been watching two different QBs.
I take issue with these two statements in Sy's report re: Jones:
1. "I recorded just two poor throws (the missed deep balls were not mis-fires)."
2. "He was one of 11 quarterbacks league wide to not throw any turnover worthy passes."
on the first point, there were two different deep balls to Nabers that missed by so much, that Nabers stopped running before the ball started coming down from its apex. those are comically bad deep balls. also, are we forgetting the 2-point conversion that was intercepted? or how about the horrendous throw to Nabers on the WR screen when it was 12-12?
on the 2nd point, immediately after the blown WR screen due to a horrendous throw, Jones threw into TRIPLE coverage when he "red lined" Wandale with 3 defenders around him. that should have been an INT. and then, directly after that play, another bad throw to Slayton that the CB tracked the entire way and deflected. on the subsequent TD drive, Jones threw a horrendous comeback to Nabers on the right side that might have been a pick-6 by a better corner. he then threw to Nabers again in triple coverage on the goal line.
hopefully Sy isn't falling into the same trap as our front office - latching onto examples of mediocrity and calling it hope.
If we want to throw some stats out there.
If I could speak from just my opinion.... he put us in a position to win the game. Thats all you can ask for a QB to do.
Does it mean he is a good QB? Of course not. But if he does this every week - its a positive sign. But Do i expect him too? Of course not.
uhh..... no. in fact, big boy NFL franchises actually expect their QB to win the game for them from time to time, if not regularly!
that's why it's the highest paid position in the game and arguably the most important position in all of sports.
2022 called and wants its debate back.
If I could speak from just my opinion.... he put us in a position to win the game. Thats all you can ask for a QB to do.
That's not ALL you can ask of a QB.
It's all you can ask of THIS QB.
And then he looks bad against DAL "remember the Washington game!"
This is exactly what happened last year with the 2nd half against the Cardinals. No matter how bad Jones looked up until his injury it was "remember the Arizona game!" That half of football was actually worth a hats off too.
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he put us in a position to win the game. Thats all you can ask for a QB to do.
uhh..... no. in fact, big boy NFL franchises actually expect their QB to win the game for them from time to time, if not regularly!
that's why it's the highest paid position in the game and arguably the most important position in all of sports.
QBs dont win games by themselves. Never have, never will. Teams expect their best player to play consistently at a high level to put their teams in position too. If you go by stats, than no Jones line this past weekend wasnt overly impressive.
But considering the outliners that happened in the game, he did what he had to do for the team to win. Jones is usually the number 1 reason why they lose. I will fully admit that.
Not this week. Daboll and the defense get the blame this week.
And then he looks bad against DAL "remember the Washington game!"
This is exactly what happened last year with the 2nd half against the Cardinals. No matter how bad Jones looked up until his injury it was "remember the Arizona game!" That half of football was actually worth a hats off too.
If Jones sucks against CLE like he did against Minnesota - the blame will be justifiably be put on him. He sucked against Minnesota.
tell me you don't understand how the NFL works without saying you don't understand how the NFL works.
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If I could speak from just my opinion.... he put us in a position to win the game. Thats all you can ask for a QB to do.
That's not ALL you can ask of a QB.
It's all you can ask of THIS QB.
I cant ask a QB to play defense or kick field goals. If we had one or the other this weekened, we most likely win - agree?
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But how could you possibly be overexcited about that QB performance?
If I could speak from just my opinion.... he put us in a position to win the game. Thats all you can ask for a QB to do.
Does it mean he is a good QB? Of course not. But if he does this every week - its a positive sign. But Do i expect him too? Of course not.
I'm asking and expecting more from my 6th year 40 million a year QB. He had a good enough game. I also don't he did anything all that impressive against arguably the worst defense in the league.
I don't think he was "good". He gave us a chance to win, thats what you want from a backup QB
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QBs dont win games by themselves. Never have, never will.
tell me you don't understand how the NFL works without saying you don't understand how the NFL works.
Show me a single game where a QB won the game all by themselves. I dont want a game where a QB played extremely well and was the best player on the field. Thats not my argument.
Every QB in their history needs guy to block, catch. Also, needs their defense to make stop, and their kicker to make FGs and also a coach who has a clue how to field a healthy roster.
Football is the ultimate TEAM game. Its not golf or tennis.
If we want to throw some stats out there.
Something is going on with QBR this week. They aren't including Carr's performance for some reason. He had a near perfect 100, which is insane.
So, technically Jones would drop a spot to 5th in passing and 6th in EPA.
I have no idea how Hurts graded out so high, especially passing. That was a bad INT to end that game last night.
2022 called and wants its debate back.
Like I've said before, Jones only plays well enough to elicit a post-game debate like this 3 or 4 times a year.
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Jones ranked 5th in EPA and 4th in PASS
If we want to throw some stats out there.
Something is going on with QBR this week. They aren't including Carr's performance for some reason. He had a near perfect 100, which is insane.
So, technically Jones would drop a spot to 5th in passing and 6th in EPA.
I have no idea how Hurts graded out so high, especially passing. That was a bad INT to end that game last night.
Not having Carr in there is insane. Is Carr the ultimate dick tease QB. He has 5-6 gamesa year where he is unreal. and then he has some where he looks worse than Daniel Jones.
That's not ALL you can ask of a QB.
It's all you can ask of THIS QB.
I cant ask a QB to play defense or kick field goals. If we had one or the other this weekened, we most likely win - agree?
Sure. As long as we retroactively apply those same standards to the glorious season of 2022 when "Jones won" 9 games and the epic Wild Card victory in Minnesota.
And over the course of a full season, you would hopefully ask more of your QB than to "be in position" to win games. You know what's better than that? Convincingly winning games by scoring a shitload of points with regularity.
1. career ending injury or
2. Jones finally being cut and never being a good starter anywhere else.
Then they can say "he just never had a chance here" for the rest of their days and they can avoid admitting they were wrong.
There really isn't much of a DJFC presence anymore though. Threads like these used to be replete with defenders diminishing Jones' bad play and insisting we're about to see the real Daniel Jones for good. Now? It's just a few old timers and a dupe with rabies.
But ‘really good’ as Carl opined? No fucking way. And if Banks is saying this, I have no doubt others inside the organization think the same about Jones. Year six and we have pom pom wavers like Papa and Banks selling this shit to the fan base. It isn’t even about Jones anymore. He sucks…everyone knows that. It’s more about the clowns running this team who probably believe Jones was masterful vs. WFT.
You realize this is all in your mind, right?
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I don't think we learned anything new about Jones. Against bad teams he can operate efficiently and put the team in a position to score the equivalent of 3 touchdowns per game.
2022 called and wants its debate back.
Like I've said before, Jones only plays well enough to elicit a post-game debate like this 3 or 4 times a year.
As some posters said going into Sunday, this was a get-right game for Jones because (1) his history v Washington and (2) Washington's D right now is a sieve.
If he couldn't perform under those circumstances, the avalanche would have really started.
For a game, he pushed back the barbarians at the gate...
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That's not ALL you can ask of a QB.
It's all you can ask of THIS QB.
I cant ask a QB to play defense or kick field goals. If we had one or the other this weekened, we most likely win - agree?
Sure. As long as we retroactively apply those same standards to the glorious season of 2022 when "Jones won" 9 games and the epic Wild Card victory in Minnesota.
And over the course of a full season, you would hopefully ask more of your QB than to "be in position" to win games. You know what's better than that? Convincingly winning games by scoring a shitload of points with regularity.
I agree with pretty much everything you said, even the 2022 reference.
I also think we could have scored a shitload of points this week if our defense got off the field on 3rd down and our coach was able to see we needed a kicker before the game.
Again, do I expect this to continue? Of course not. But the OL played really well. Singeltary had a very good game outside the fumble and Nabers was a beast.
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after one horrific game. The only possible off ramps are:
1. career ending injury or
2. Jones finally being cut and never being a good starter anywhere else.
Then they can say "he just never had a chance here" for the rest of their days and they can avoid admitting they were wrong.
There really isn't much of a DJFC presence anymore though. Threads like these used to be replete with defenders diminishing Jones' bad play and insisting we're about to see the real Daniel Jones for good. Now? It's just a few old timers and a dupe with rabies.
Not one person thinks what happened Sunday is a sign of things to come. But keep making up shit so you can regain the presidency of the GTFC.
The OL seems far better than last year's historic disaster, Nabers showed a small glimpse of what he can become and I bet that drop drives him to be even better. The two rookies in the secondary are exciting and Phillips is showing flashes of being a game changer. The defense on the other hand was absolutely maddening, I am hoping that these are growing pains from having a new scheme, they all seem hesitant and a step slow to react.
If the offense keeps improving and the D which does have a good bit of talent becomes more comfortable in what they are doing maybe this season will give us something to cheer about as fall turns to winter.
I see no evidence that the front office thought he was masterful, none whatsoever.
So much excessive hate, I get it, we don't have the QB we want, no need to exacerbate things.
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I don't think we learned anything new about Jones. Against bad teams he can operate efficiently and put the team in a position to score the equivalent of 3 touchdowns per game.
2022 called and wants its debate back.
Like I've said before, Jones only plays well enough to elicit a post-game debate like this 3 or 4 times a year.
As some posters said going into Sunday, this was a get-right game for Jones because (1) his history v Washington and (2) Washington's D right now is a sieve.
If he couldn't perform under those circumstances, the avalanche would have really started.
For a game, he pushed back the barbarians at the gate...
I appreciate you being reasonable.
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after one horrific game. The only possible off ramps are:
1. career ending injury or
2. Jones finally being cut and never being a good starter anywhere else.
Then they can say "he just never had a chance here" for the rest of their days and they can avoid admitting they were wrong.
There really isn't much of a DJFC presence anymore though. Threads like these used to be replete with defenders diminishing Jones' bad play and insisting we're about to see the real Daniel Jones for good. Now? It's just a few old timers and a dupe with rabies.
Not one person thinks what happened Sunday is a sign of things to come. But keep making up shit so you can regain the presidency of the GTFC.
Exactly, that's what I said. Threads used to be replete with people who'd say it's a sign, now they no longer are.
If you're so upset about me and others supporting Terps, we can start a fan club for you once you post something creative or controversial yet well-reasoned.
If you're so upset about me and others supporting Terps, we can start a fan club for you once you post something creative or controversial yet well-reasoned.
Maybe I have, and yet you arent smart enough to understand it or you dont want to go against your idol. Its a tough call.
The OL seems far better than last year's historic disaster, Nabers showed a small glimpse of what he can become and I bet that drop drives him to be even better. The two rookies in the secondary are exciting and Phillips is showing flashes of being a game changer. The defense on the other hand was absolutely maddening, I am hoping that these are growing pains from having a new scheme, they all seem hesitant and a step slow to react.
If the offense keeps improving and the D which does have a good bit of talent becomes more comfortable in what they are doing maybe this season will give us something to cheer about as fall turns to winter.
Because quite honestly its not possibly to play worse than he did against the Vikings. And while he played well enough, he didn't carve up this crappy defense.
I appreciate the optimism but this isn't a rookie QB they are bringing along. He is not the answer and until they have a possible solution at QB, its hard to be excited about this team. At least for me...
Low standards here for QB.
I respect the hell out of JonC, but this is kind of silly. Yes, people are way too excited about Jones' average to maybe slighty above average QBing on Sunday. However, the sustained drives bit is overcorrecting in the other direction, no? Jones had the Giants in position to score on 6 of 8 drives, two of which were ended on a fumble by an RB who rarely fumbles and a bad drop by our #1 rookie WR.
Sure, two drives failed and one of them was three straight pass attempts. I guess I just find it hard to state "Jones failed to sustain drives" when the major drive killing mistakes were made by other players.