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SAQUON BARKLEY COST THE EAGLES THE GAME!!!

JT039 : 9/16/2024 11:12 pm
Time to celebrate!!!
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RE: Much rather have  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/17/2024 7:16 am : link
In comment 16613562 Eli owns all said:
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Barkley than most of the players we have.


Tomlinson is the guy we miss the most. Not Barkley. I wanted Barkley to come back two years ago. He fucked himself a passed on a better off than the one he got then. Blamed the Giants. Me I'll take the great DT we let walk for nothing to get the WR Golloday(yeah ) and have not be able to stop the run since.

RE: October 20th  
Mike from Ohio : 9/17/2024 7:23 am : link
In comment 16613669 SleepyOwl said:
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All of you that are saying F-Barkley please bring that same energy on that day. I love Barkley. Best player by far in a dismal time in this franchise’s history. Now that he’s gone this team is one injury away to a WR of being unwatchable. Who are we kidding.


If you love Barkley and think he was a winning player here, you missed a lot of games. The easy passes like tonight for first downs that he routinely dropped, the times we needed to run out the clock and he ran out of bounds, and all the times we needed to score quickly and he cut back inside for another 2 yards that cost us 15 seconds,

He is a nice guy and a talented player. He is also a dumb player who can’t make a clutch play to save his life.
We’ve seen him drop passes before.  
ThomasG : 9/17/2024 7:27 am : link
That’s part of who he is.
RE: Much rather have  
RobCrossRiver56 : 9/17/2024 7:32 am : link
In comment 16613562 Eli owns all said:
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Barkley than most of the players we have.


Why?
You could say Nabers cost the Giants the game  
jeff57 : 9/17/2024 7:33 am : link
With his drop. It was Nick Sirianni who cost the Eagles the game.
Barkley loves choking at the end of games  
GiantsFan84 : 9/17/2024 7:37 am : link
He did it here many many many times always in devastating ways, whether it be a drop, a fumble, going out of bounds when he shouldn’t, or deliberately falling down short of the first down because he didn’t know where he was on the field.

Nice to let the eagles enjoy that side of him now
RE: You could say Nabers cost the Giants the game  
Mike from Ohio : 9/17/2024 7:40 am : link
In comment 16613719 jeff57 said:
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With his drop. It was Nick Sirianni who cost the Eagles the game.


It was a tie game. How did Nabers not converting that 4th down play cost the Giants the game? You remember there was no such thing as field goal range on Sunday, right?
RE: We’ve seen him drop passes before.  
Mike from Ohio : 9/17/2024 7:43 am : link
In comment 16613713 ThomasG said:
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That’s part of who he is.


I remember during the hype around the 2018 draft some scouts were saying Barkley could play wide receiver with his speed and hands. He may have one of the worst set of hands in the NFL. For every spectacular catch the guy makes, he drops two easy ones. He is closer to a guy who has to come off the field on 3rd down because if he is in you know they won’t (or at least shouldn’t) throw to him.
RE: RE: The Barkley hate is strange  
Wiggy : 9/17/2024 7:43 am : link
In comment 16613657 prdave73 said:
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What did our organization do for him? Provided a shit QB and offensive line and horrible coaches. Then instead of paying him they franchised him and paid Jones instead.

I wish the guy no ill will.



Agree 100%.

Why so much hate for a guy wanted to stay? It wasn't him? It was the inept Giants Org, GM, and HC you should be angry with.. smh.
some people are not critical thinkers
RE: RE: You could say Nabers cost the Giants the game  
jeff57 : 9/17/2024 7:49 am : link
In comment 16613729 Mike from Ohio said:
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With his drop. It was Nick Sirianni who cost the Eagles the game.



It was a tie game. How did Nabers not converting that 4th down play cost the Giants the game? You remember there was no such thing as field goal range on Sunday, right?


Yes, but there was still TDs. And taking time off the clock.
RE: RE: RE: The Barkley hate is strange  
riceneggs : 9/17/2024 7:55 am : link
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What did our organization do for him? Provided a shit QB and offensive line and horrible coaches. Then instead of paying him they franchised him and paid Jones instead.

I wish the guy no ill will.



Agree 100%.

Why so much hate for a guy wanted to stay? It wasn't him? It was the inept Giants Org, GM, and HC you should be angry with.. smh.


ITS SPORTS HATE!!. we don't hate the man himself

You SHOULD be hated when you go play for the rival, regardless of the circumstance

RE: RE: RE: You could say Nabers cost the Giants the game  
Mike from Ohio : 9/17/2024 8:00 am : link
In comment 16613734 jeff57 said:
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With his drop. It was Nick Sirianni who cost the Eagles the game.



It was a tie game. How did Nabers not converting that 4th down play cost the Giants the game? You remember there was no such thing as field goal range on Sunday, right?



Yes, but there was still TDs. And taking time off the clock.


What does “there was still TDs” mean? There are always TDs available. Did Nabers drop the ball in the end zone? The one yard line? No. He stopped a drive that was by no means certain, or even likely, to end in a TD. It stopped a drive that could have ended in a TD.

I don’t know why some posters won’t walk back incorrect statements they make.
Philly sports radio  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/17/2024 8:02 am : link
Has to be fun this morning
RE: Actually their dumb ass coach  
5BowlsSoon : 9/17/2024 8:09 am : link
In comment 16613591 4xchamps said:
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Cost them the game. If they run the ball they either get a first down or kill another 40 seconds of clock. Terrible clock management.


Don’t be obtuse…perfect call….he was wide open and had the 1st down. A running play wouldn’t guarantee he would get the 1st down. Don’t make excuses when not accurate.

BARKLEY DROPPED A BALL MY GRANDMOTHER WOULD CATCH. HE BROKE OUR HEARTS MANY TIMES IN THE CLUTCH. REMEMBER THE MNF GAME V PACKERS?
RE: Philly sports radio  
Mike from Ohio : 9/17/2024 8:10 am : link
In comment 16613743 Paulie Walnuts said:
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Has to be fun this morning


No fans deserve this more. You just lost at home, in front of a national audience, to a team that is so awful they had to go to a silent count at home last week.

And your prize offseason acquisition was the very directly involved in costing you the game. Sure looks like you are picking up where you left off last year!
Just read an article  
mittenedman : 9/17/2024 8:12 am : link
Barkley has 16 drops since 2021, the most by any RB in the league.

He’s a flawed player and his receiving skills in particular were all hype. I remember when drafted there was talk he could easily be a great WR if he wasn’t an RB.

No.
Nobody hates the guy.  
mittenedman : 9/17/2024 8:13 am : link
He’s an Eagle so he can suck an egg.
Two weeks in a row  
Big Rick in FL : 9/17/2024 8:17 am : link
I've lost a big parlay by 1 leg on the Eagles. I fucking hate them so much.

Last week lost a 9 leg parlay because I had AJ Brown over 5.5 catches. He had 5.

Last night lost a 10 leg parlay because I had Jake Elliott over 7.5 points. He had 7.
RE: Nobody hates the guy.  
Mike from Ohio : 9/17/2024 8:18 am : link
In comment 16613756 mittenedman said:
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He’s an Eagle so he can suck an egg.


Hate is a term used on this site by people who don’t understand the word. Rooting against a guy in a game is not hate. If some actual tragedy befell Barkley tomorrow, there would be nothing but best wishes for him on this site. Nobody would be reveling in it.

Nobody on this site hates Saquon Barkley or Daniel Jones. If you think they do, you don’t know what the word means, or you are blinded by your own biases.
 
christian : 9/17/2024 8:20 am : link
I will leave out the name to protect the innocent, but there was a poster who was adamant Barkley dropped passes on purpose to avoid being hit. That was kind of weird.
RE: October 20th  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 8:22 am : link
In comment 16613669 SleepyOwl said:
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All of you that are saying F-Barkley please bring that same energy on that day. I love Barkley. Best player by far in a dismal time in this franchise’s history. Now that he’s gone this team is one injury away to a WR of being unwatchable. Who are we kidding.


If you think Barkley is a better football player than Andrew Thomas or Dexter Lawrence - then you didnt watch many Giants games.
RE: RE: RE: RE: You could say Nabers cost the Giants the game  
jeff57 : 9/17/2024 8:29 am : link
In comment 16613740 Mike from Ohio said:
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With his drop. It was Nick Sirianni who cost the Eagles the game.



It was a tie game. How did Nabers not converting that 4th down play cost the Giants the game? You remember there was no such thing as field goal range on Sunday, right?



Yes, but there was still TDs. And taking time off the clock.



What does “there was still TDs” mean? There are always TDs available. Did Nabers drop the ball in the end zone? The one yard line? No. He stopped a drive that was by no means certain, or even likely, to end in a TD. It stopped a drive that could have ended in a TD.

I don’t know why some posters won’t walk back incorrect statements they make.


Not to belabor the point, but from Sy's write up:

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The drop on the final drive, however, was an absolute back-breaker. Giants likely win if he brings that in.
Ha ha ha ha  
chitt17 : 9/17/2024 8:35 am : link
How many times he chocked in crucial situations for the giants?

When he is eventually injured... We can really say.... There's the Barkley we remember.
My own personal favorite  
Lambuth_Special : 9/17/2024 8:43 am : link
Barkley crunchtime error goes back to 2018, in which the 1-3 Giants are playing the panthers and are down 24-30 with 2 minutes left. Eli hits a deep ball to the Panthers 15, then hits Barkley in the flat on 1st and 10, and he could've gone down at the 1, but instead does an increadible leap to score a TD, leaving the Panthers with over a minute on the clock to move down and hit the game-winning FG (hit by Graham Gano).

I remember this well because Fatman in Charlotte was screaming at everyone that clock management was stupid because it was important for the Giants to immediately hit the 30-point milestone they had failed to reach with MacAdoo.
Man some of you are so miserable you can't bring yourself to enjoy one  
Stu11 : 9/17/2024 8:45 am : link
second of football. Of course we'd all love to be able to enjoy something the Giants did, no shit sherlock. I mean can you just let us enjoy our one crumb of football enjoyment this weekend? I would generally have no beef with Saquon, but come on he slinks off to our arch rival, blasts us on the way out with that pathetic social media post with his daughter, then gets 3 td's week one and we have to hear it. Screw him and his end of game choking ass. And screw that douchebag insufferable asshole of a coach they have. Oh and also screw that absolute rock bottom of the genetic gene pool of a fan base they kept panning to in the stands.
I'll always like Saquon Barkley  
Fishmanjim57 : 9/17/2024 9:08 am : link
However he plays on a team coached by bigger douchebag than Daboll. Siriani will be on the hot seat all season, and that makes me laugh.
RE: My own personal favorite  
shyster : 9/17/2024 9:08 am : link
In comment 16613782 Lambuth_Special said:
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Barkley crunchtime error goes back to 2018, in which the 1-3 Giants are playing the panthers and are down 24-30 with 2 minutes left. Eli hits a deep ball to the Panthers 15, then hits Barkley in the flat on 1st and 10, and he could've gone down at the 1, but instead does an increadible leap to score a TD, leaving the Panthers with over a minute on the clock to move down and hit the game-winning FG (hit by Graham Gano).

I remember this well because Fatman in Charlotte was screaming at everyone that clock management was stupid because it was important for the Giants to immediately hit the 30-point milestone they had failed to reach with MacAdoo.


You don't go down at the one when you need a TD to take the lead. You do it when you only need to kill the clock or, maybe, if you only need the chip shot FG to win.

Not when you need the TD, because you can't presume it. You could have a false start. You could get stuffed.

Also, in the situation you mention, the Panthers could have called timeout and then what? If you sneak it in from the one the next play, you've only used up a few seconds, while taking a big risk of not scoring at all.

That's the last play to criticize Barkley about.
glad he dropped the pass  
djm : 9/17/2024 9:17 am : link
but Barkley still looks terrific. It was a bad job from NYG front office. Going back to how they handled the position when they drafted him through this past off-season when they finally addressed the OL with good FA signings only to let the guy walk.

I like Singletary so at least there's that. If he can rumble for 1000+ on good YPC we can forgive and forget.

PS fuck Philly.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You could say Nabers cost the Giants the game  
Mike from Ohio : 9/17/2024 9:19 am : link
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With his drop. It was Nick Sirianni who cost the Eagles the game.



It was a tie game. How did Nabers not converting that 4th down play cost the Giants the game? You remember there was no such thing as field goal range on Sunday, right?



Yes, but there was still TDs. And taking time off the clock.



What does “there was still TDs” mean? There are always TDs available. Did Nabers drop the ball in the end zone? The one yard line? No. He stopped a drive that was by no means certain, or even likely, to end in a TD. It stopped a drive that could have ended in a TD.

I don’t know why some posters won’t walk back incorrect statements they make.



Not to belabor the point, but from Sy's write up:



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The drop on the final drive, however, was an absolute back-breaker. Giants likely win if he brings that in.



Sy said likely. You said it cost us the game. Own up to it man. You are belaboring a point you are wrong about. Time to move on.
RE: You could say Nabers cost the Giants the game  
5BowlsSoon : 9/17/2024 9:24 am : link
In comment 16613719 jeff57 said:
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With his drop. It was Nick Sirianni who cost the Eagles the game.


Dumb comment Jeff….younhave to agree that if SB catches the ball, game over….HC didn’t drop it
People  
SoZKillA : 9/17/2024 9:34 am : link
are really bitching that some don't like Barkley...

lol weridos on this site.

He's an Eagle, he's an enemy, fuck him, tried to play the victim 2 times here when he was offered $ and lied. He's a snake.
RE: I'll always like Saquon Barkley  
mfsd : 9/17/2024 9:38 am : link
In comment 16613809 Fishmanjim57 said:
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However he plays on a team coached by bigger douchebag than Daboll. Siriani will be on the hot seat all season, and that makes me laugh.


Bingo
RE: RE: You could say Nabers cost the Giants the game  
jeff57 : 9/17/2024 9:41 am : link
In comment 16613834 5BowlsSoon said:
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With his drop. It was Nick Sirianni who cost the Eagles the game.



Dumb comment Jeff….younhave to agree that if SB catches the ball, game over….HC didn’t drop it


HC decided not to go for an easy FG in the first quarter and go for it on 4th and 4. Came back to bite them in the ass.
what Barkley has done for so far...  
BillKo : 9/17/2024 9:41 am : link
...about 30 RBs in the league can do for a fraction of the cost.

Eagles RB position hasn't been a problem in the past due to the OL - and they did it by committee.

If Barkely stays healthy sure he'll be a top stat RB - but that's just because they've dumped by committee. Gainewell is hardly playing and I didn't see a third back play at all.

Telling stat: Barkely's longest run was 11 yards. He really doesn't make people miss in the open field and has sort of become a physical type back - which lends itself to injury.
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ChrisRick : 9/17/2024 9:41 am : link
Hate is personal and so is the decision to share that one is actually hateful about someone or something.

Just because people don't act in a way that I think is hateful does not mean they do not hate.

I think there is plenty of real hate in sports with fans and players, the hate that only a few actually admit. Where there is passion, the recipe for hate exists.
I love the schaddenfreude, but…  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/17/2024 9:41 am : link
… the two guys that the Giants got to replace Barkley (Singletary as primary RB, Nabors as primary playmaker) BOTH did that in the same game.
Posted on the wrong thread  
UConn4523 : 9/17/2024 9:47 am : link
Both seem the same
UConn4523 : 9:42 am : link : reply
Barkley’s drop still resulted in a FG and 6 point lead. The Defense got carved up in 60 seconds. Then the Eagles got the ball back and could have gotten in FG range had Hurts not thrown an awful pass.
RE: what Barkley has done for so far...  
Del Shofner : 9/17/2024 9:49 am : link
In comment 16613857 BillKo said:
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...about 30 RBs in the league can do for a fraction of the cost.

Eagles RB position hasn't been a problem in the past due to the OL - and they did it by committee.

If Barkely stays healthy sure he'll be a top stat RB - but that's just because they've dumped by committee. Gainewell is hardly playing and I didn't see a third back play at all.

Telling stat: Barkely's longest run was 11 yards. He really doesn't make people miss in the open field and has sort of become a physical type back - which lends itself to injury.


Agree. He was 22-95, avg 4.3, long 11. That's not bad but behind that O line it's not special either. Bijan Robinson was clearly the superior RB in the game.
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 9/17/2024 9:50 am : link
We've certainly seen that in the big moments.

Don't blame fans for taking glee in it - he was all over social media - editing videos of him in Eagles gear without really thanking NY Giants fans, right?
im a barkley fan who has said for 2 years they messed up his contract  
Eric on Li : 9/17/2024 9:51 am : link
i actually even enjoy seeing him do well even no longer a giant. but i enjoy watching the eagles and siriani in particular shit themselves on national tv as bad as we do.

a barkley drop on an awful siriani playcall capped off with a hurts pick was a golden trifecta.
RE: RE: RE: You could say Nabers cost the Giants the game  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/17/2024 9:56 am : link
In comment 16613856 jeff57 said:
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With his drop. It was Nick Sirianni who cost the Eagles the game.



Dumb comment Jeff….younhave to agree that if SB catches the ball, game over….HC didn’t drop it



HC decided not to go for an easy FG in the first quarter and go for it on 4th and 4. Came back to bite them in the ass.


Even the radio announcers were saying at the time, “Just take the points, man!“

Going for it on 4th at that point is something a David does against a Goliath, like they think they won’t get another chance. Not a move by a SB contender and game favorite at home.
RE: Philly sports radio  
St. Jimmy : 9/17/2024 10:01 am : link
In comment 16613743 Paulie Walnuts said:
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Has to be fun this morning
I love hearing about the defense and how most of those Georgia guys they drafted stink. Bryce Huff is also fun to hear about.
Those Georgia guys might have been the most overrated  
Essex : 9/17/2024 10:12 am : link
players ever. People were acting like they were geniuses. Davis and Dean might be busts. Carter and Smith have some attributes but neither look like they are ready to play a full game. Their run defense was pathetic, especially Huff on the edge. You can't have him out there on first or second downs as teams will just exploit him on the run.
RE: RE: what Barkley has done for so far...  
BillKo : 9/17/2024 10:15 am : link
In comment 16613878 Del Shofner said:
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...about 30 RBs in the league can do for a fraction of the cost.

Eagles RB position hasn't been a problem in the past due to the OL - and they did it by committee.

If Barkely stays healthy sure he'll be a top stat RB - but that's just because they've dumped by committee. Gainewell is hardly playing and I didn't see a third back play at all.

Telling stat: Barkely's longest run was 11 yards. He really doesn't make people miss in the open field and has sort of become a physical type back - which lends itself to injury.



Agree. He was 22-95, avg 4.3, long 11. That's not bad but behind that O line it's not special either. Bijan Robinson was clearly the superior RB in the game.


No doubt. You saw more elusiveness and breakaway ability from Bijan.
RE: RE: RE: RE: You could say Nabers cost the Giants the game  
BillKo : 9/17/2024 10:18 am : link
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With his drop. It was Nick Sirianni who cost the Eagles the game.



Dumb comment Jeff….younhave to agree that if SB catches the ball, game over….HC didn’t drop it



HC decided not to go for an easy FG in the first quarter and go for it on 4th and 4. Came back to bite them in the ass.



Even the radio announcers were saying at the time, “Just take the points, man!“

Going for it on 4th at that point is something a David does against a Goliath, like they think they won’t get another chance. Not a move by a SB contender and game favorite at home.


Not really a fan of taking a play - even points - in the very beginning of the game and applying it to the final score.

Ebb and flow - change of events - can all come into play resulting in different outcomes.

But I do agree - take the points there. When did fourth and three become so brazen?
RE: Posted on the wrong thread  
BillKo : 9/17/2024 10:20 am : link
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Both seem the same
UConn4523 : 9:42 am : link : reply
Barkley’s drop still resulted in a FG and 6 point lead. The Defense got carved up in 60 seconds. Then the Eagles got the ball back and could have gotten in FG range had Hurts not thrown an awful pass.


I would have but some coin on their kicker nailing a 60 yarder to be honest - which is becoming a problem for me and the NFL.

Getting the ball back with 30 seconds and down by 3 or less is no longer a "long shot".

It's now a 50-50 proposition.

I wonder if HC's will consider allowing a return, eatting some time, and trying to pin the opposition within the 20.

Trust your special teams to make a play!!!!!
RE: glad he dropped the pass  
Stu11 : 9/17/2024 10:33 am : link
In comment 16613826 djm said:
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but Barkley still looks terrific. It was a bad job from NYG front office. Going back to how they handled the position when they drafted him through this past off-season when they finally addressed the OL with good FA signings only to let the guy walk.

I like Singletary so at least there's that. If he can rumble for 1000+ on good YPC we can forgive and forget.

PS fuck Philly.

Meh I watched most of the game and last week too. He looks exactly the same as when he was on the Giants. Some nice runs, a lot of no gain/negative runs when the blocking isn't there and a huge drop in crunch time.
RE: I wouldn't gloat over the Barkley drop  
Route 9 : 9/17/2024 11:44 am : link
In comment 16613619 BlackLight said:
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but he had to go run his mouth about the Giants "let him walk away." As if, one, he didn't turn down a better contractfrom Schoen in 2022 than what he got from Philly this offseason, and two, that he didn't want out the door just as badly.


Fuck your rules. With literally nothing else to get excited about the Giants, Eagle fans being mad is always a great consolation prize and the fact it has to do with an ex-Giant? I'm going to gloat and gloat again because, F the Eagles.
RE: RE: glad he dropped the pass  
Route 9 : 9/17/2024 11:45 am : link
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but Barkley still looks terrific. It was a bad job from NYG front office. Going back to how they handled the position when they drafted him through this past off-season when they finally addressed the OL with good FA signings only to let the guy walk.

I like Singletary so at least there's that. If he can rumble for 1000+ on good YPC we can forgive and forget.

PS fuck Philly.


Meh I watched most of the game and last week too. He looks exactly the same as when he was on the Giants. Some nice runs, a lot of no gain/negative runs when the blocking isn't there and a huge drop in crunch time.


Don't listen. Never not annoying.


Yep. I saw what you saw, Barkley just running right into tackles and not taking holes that are there.
RE: RE: glad he dropped the pass  
mittenedman : 9/17/2024 11:55 am : link
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but Barkley still looks terrific. It was a bad job from NYG front office. Going back to how they handled the position when they drafted him through this past off-season when they finally addressed the OL with good FA signings only to let the guy walk.

I like Singletary so at least there's that. If he can rumble for 1000+ on good YPC we can forgive and forget.

PS fuck Philly.


Meh I watched most of the game and last week too. He looks exactly the same as when he was on the Giants. Some nice runs, a lot of no gain/negative runs when the blocking isn't there and a huge drop in crunch time.


100% Stu. It amazes me how many fans can't take context into consideration. He's Saquon Barkley. We know everything about the guy. Eric from BBI would average 6 ypc behind that OL with Brown & Smith at WR, and I still think it's hilarious the Eagles felt the need to sign him to stick it to the Giants. Sure - build your team around the coach-killer Barkley, who's been unexplainably poor in pressure situations over the last 5 years and it showed up again. His inability to convert those memorable plays are part of the reason Schoen didn't want to pony up for him.
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