In case you haven't been paying attention, both DAL and PHI are both eminently beatable this season. I think a split in the Division is not out of the realm of possibility. Then you have the Panthers, Washington, the Browns(Good defense, beatable offense) the overrated Colts, and the beatable Steelers(all defense, no offense). Assuming 3-3 in the Division, the Giants have three losses to play with out of the more difficult part of the non-Division schedule: The Saints, Ravens, Buccaneers, Bengals, Falcons and Seahawks. Another 3-3 split there gets it done. Now, is a 10-7 season something to be proud of? Not necessarily. Obviously, you would like the team to finish with a better record than that. But all things considered, at this point after all that has gone on, I would certainly take that, and who knows, a 10-7 record might even win the division. Or at the very least, a WC spot. Of course, this defense is going to have to greatly improve, and Nabers is going to have to have a Shockey like impact ala 2002, in addition to injuries having to be avoided, etc. Jones is going to have to play like he did on Sunday, with also making some jumps along the way. But this is why the addition of Nabers is so crucial in this. As has been said multiple times, this is the 1st time Jones has had a legit stud at any receiver position (WR or TE). All this hinges on Sunday. Have to beat the Browns-dig deep, and find a way. Show us what you are made of Giants. I believe they can and will do it.
Make adjustments as the season goes along? The Giants started the Giants started that year 7-2 and then went 2-5-1 the rest of the regular season. That is the OPPOSITE of adjusting as the year went along.
Credit to Daboll to creating a scheme with Jones that fooled the NFL for a few weeks when he started. But this team has been dismal since that 7-2 start.
2022 was smoke and mirrors. There is a reason this team has not sniffed .500 play since then.
The positive case is along these lines:
- the offensive line is much improved, we have one of the top 10 receivers in the league (soon to be top 5), singletary is above average, and jones can be a decent quarterback with good pieces around him.
- on defense, many expected them to start slow with a new scheme so they’re going to get better as the season goes along.
As a result the team will be more competitive than people think and we’ll finish somewhere around 8 wins.
This might all come crashing down this week against a good defense. If we can’t score and look like trash I’m throwing in the towel
I love your optimism!
It would be nice if the Giants didn't have a decade's long habit of crushing optimism.
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Are we going to pretend like 2022 didn't happen? This team has already proven they can get to 9-7-1 and be a playoff team-all with no legit stud receivers. If the Giants had not done that, I would be right alongside with all the doom and gloom guys, believe me. Daboll has his faults, but he seems to be able to make adjustments as the season goes along. Who thought Devito could beat the Packers? Just one example. Playing the Bills close with Tyrod, etc. Let's just wait and see.
Make adjustments as the season goes along? The Giants started the Giants started that year 7-2 and then went 2-5-1 the rest of the regular season. That is the OPPOSITE of adjusting as the year went along.
Credit to Daboll to creating a scheme with Jones that fooled the NFL for a few weeks when he started. But this team has been dismal since that 7-2 start.
2022 was smoke and mirrors. There is a reason this team has not sniffed .500 play since then.
Winning six early games has derailed this regime.
Daboll did not make adjustment in the back half of 2023, the Giants won more games because they got better QB play from Taylor and DeVito than they did from Jones. The second half of the year was better than the first because the QB position was upgraded with guys who were not terrified to throw the ball down the field.
With Jones at QB, this team is an absolute threat to beat the Commanders and the Panthers. We are at a significant disadvantage to the rest of the league.
Jones for Burrow, straight up. Whos says no?
Oh yeah, right. The Bengals absolutely say no.
Where are those wins coming from? I think its a tall task to get to 5 let alone 10.
Is it impossible to go 10-7?
No but there is zero evidence or reason to believe it or think so
How about the Giants win a game in the division before we start asking for a division “split “ because we are already 0-1 in the division
Is it impossible to go 10-7?
No but there is zero evidence or reason to believe it or think so
How about the Giants win a game in the division before we start asking for a division “split “ because we are already 0-1 in the division
Actually, if you look at the offensive improvement from week 1 to week 2, that is plenty of evidence for me that this team has the makings of a good offense. The defense on the other hand, has not been good. The defense has to play better.
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look at what the Giants (and Daboll) are NOW, there's no evidence they're more than a bad unit.
Actually, if you look at the offensive improvement from week 1 to week 2, that is plenty of evidence for me that this team has the makings of a good offense. The defense on the other hand, has not been good. The defense has to play better.
You are not making any serious arguments. The improvement from week 1 to week 2? They went from playing a decent defense in week 1 to one of the three worst in the league in week 2. They didn't suddenly improve.
If you want to be taken seriously you have to stop posting this silliness that is based only on not thinking very much.
Haven't heard from him in awhile, I don't think.
Some have gone very quiet.
These are people who still believe in Santa Claus.
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I just don't know what the optimistic crowd thinks they're watching on gamedays.
These are people who still believe in Santa Claus.
Huh...what are you suggesting here about Santa?
This isn’t optimism. This is lunacy. Then again, consider the poster.
And if they did, the same old negative bullshit 24x7 crew would still be saying the same shit.
And if they did, the same old negative bullshit 24x7 crew would still be saying the same shit.
Yeah, go back to 2008 for example. So many were bitching that year...
I know this is probably a hard concept for you to grasp, but people are going to bitch when the team sucks. We all can't be like you 4XChamps, & Eightshamrocks & just be happily content with a shitty product.
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There is a better chance of the Giants going 15-2.
And if they did, the same old negative bullshit 24x7 crew would still be saying the same shit.
Yeah, go back to 2008 for example. So many were bitching that year...
I know this is probably a hard concept for you to grasp, but people are going to bitch when the team sucks. We all can't be like you 4XChamps, & Eightshamrocks & just be happily content with a shitty product.
And you wouldn't stop bitching with a good product if it proved you wrong, so what's the difference?
Unlike you however, I'm not going to smile & cheer a shitty product. You treat the Giants like you're a 4 year old when it comes to his Mom: the Giants can do no wrong.
You can certainly argue the roster is stronger, and that might be true. But what they did 2 years ago isn't a very compelling reason to forecast today.
No offense but imo you are just making things up to fit your narrative. They way your comments are,-- you are looking at 2022 but ignoring all the rest. More than likely if the Giants have a 5-12 season but go 3-1 the last 4 you would be optimsitic too.
This team is not the same as the team from 2 years ago. They had one of the best RB's in the NFL and Jones wasn't coming off a leg injury. How is it as a Giants fan that you are that you don't recognize that this team is much different?
And that now they are going to be more of a passing team, you've chosen to ignore SY's comments about DJ not reacting quickly in regard to passing (making quick decisions) as well as many NFL anayslyts say the same and/or similar thing yet you've chosen to ignore these thigns and criticize those of us that listen to people such as SY? We're the doom-and-gloomers because we listen to Scouts and NFL analysts while you ignore that this is a diferent team than 2022?
Anyway, you asked why not 2022. - Because this team is much differnet than 2022 and in order to be a passing team and be successful that would have to fit into the QB's strength. Bottomline is that passing isn't his strength and a rookie WR can only do so much for DJ.
Unlike you however, I'm not going to smile & cheer a shitty product. You treat the Giants like you're a 4 year old when it comes to his Mom: the Giants can do no wrong.
Are you calling me an idiot? Cause as much as I think you're a moronic sniveling asshole, I don't call you that (or anything else out) of respect for Eric and doing my part to keep discussions football-focused and civil.
If you are, I won't comment on your intellect, feeble as it is, because I respect the mental scars from your wedgie-filled youth.
If not, it's a shame you have to carry on sniveling with the same old bullshit that fucks up every thread you visit.
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Are two very different things and this is delusional
Is it impossible to go 10-7?
No but there is zero evidence or reason to believe it or think so
How about the Giants win a game in the division before we start asking for a division “split “ because we are already 0-1 in the division
How is there zero evidence when this same coach and QB went 9-7-1 two years ago? If they had gone 6-11 or 5-12 and had never been to the playoffs, then that would be zero evidence.
Its a very different team and very different coaching staff as are the teams they will be playing this year.
There is no evidence of this team, this season from its first 2 games, to its preseason to its joint practices to suggest anything of the like about to happen
And that oft-cited 2022 started 7-2 and finished 2-5-1 and blownout in the second round. This team is 0-2.
Honestly, this roster is not that talented imv.
Yes we have AT and Dex and several other good players but that’s about it .
The big problem for me is at QB the most important position on the team.
I also unfortunately worry about our coaching staff.
Don’t like Bowen’s scheme at all. Where were the halftime adjustments???
All of a sudden I question Daboll’s ability as a HC.
2 years in a row where I question his training camp preparation of the players for opening the season.
When was the last time we had a good ST coach?
Very excited about the job our OL coach has done so far.
You can certainly argue the roster is stronger, and that might be true. But what they did 2 years ago isn't a very compelling reason to forecast today.
Is this roster even all that better?
We need to run well and get those occasional deep passes off to move the chains. We need to stop the run and get pressure.
We need to score more then the other team! LOL
Let's see who gets lucky first lol
Thanks. Peace.