Bill B's defenses are always good but his offensive choices are suspect and lately, low scoring and incompetent. His QB choices have been bad post Brady as well. As we can see with Tom's success in Tampa and the lack of success of NE offensive coordinators on their own, Tom was pretty much the brains of the offense.
So unless Dabs wants to step down as Head Coach this isn't going to work for anyone.
Maybe Bill wants to be defensive coordinator on his way out? Why take the stress of Head
played golf this morning with a Boston sports talk radio guy
Sure, if you remove the bulk of his career, what else has he done?
Seems like there is some sort of pattern here...
Parcells coaching championships without Lawrence Taylor = 0
Vince Lombardi coaching championships without Bart Starr = 0
Tom Landry coaching championships without Roger Staubach = 0
Chuck Noll coaching championships without Terry Bradshaw = 0
pushing Mac Jones and they were more involved in personnel than some think the last few years. Kraft's son hated BB and didn't even show up to his send off. Most of the Pats issues were offensive oriented. The D had some talent.
Big concern I would have with Bill if he is indeed coming here is his plan for the offensive staff. The Patricia as OC/OL coach and Judge as a consultant was a head scratcher.
Sure, if you remove the bulk of his career, what else has he done?
Seems like there is some sort of pattern here...
Parcells coaching championships without Lawrence Taylor = 0
Vince Lombardi coaching championships without Bart Starr = 0
Tom Landry coaching championships without Roger Staubach = 0
Chuck Noll coaching championships without Terry Bradshaw = 0
We certainly do need a QB. The point of that post was that all the great coaches needed a great QB - or Lawrence Taylor.
I have not seen a lot of discussion around Lombardi not being a good coach because he had Bart Starr, or Tom Landry not being a good coach because he never won without Roger Staubach. This is how the league has been for a long time.
Dallas & Philly probably both much more desirable for BB
Just not sure how the two sides would agree on front office structure, QB, etc. Alot to negotiate and relinquish for big egos.
Agree that is the sticking point. BB is not coming in as a coach reporting to Joe Schoen. If they want BB they are changing their structure so BB is running things, even if Schoen is retained just to execute what BB wants.
And I see no possibility of BB not coaching (in addition to whatever other duties he wants).
Parcels had competitive teams on the Jets and Dallas. Bill really hasn't done much since Tom split. He may be cooked as a Head Coach but he could focus on defense which is his bread and butter. Why take the HC at 72? That side piece he is sleeping with should keep him plenty busy as it is
We certainly do need a QB. The point of that post was that all the great coaches needed a great QB - or Lawrence Taylor.
I have not seen a lot of discussion around Lombardi not being a good coach because he had Bart Starr, or Tom Landry not being a good coach because he never won without Roger Staubach. This is how the league has been for a long time.
RE: We think Mara meddles (and he does) but word out of NE
But it might be worth it to root out the lackeys and show Mara and McDonnel what it's like to have a serious person running the program again.
For him to actually be a winning coach again, he'd need 1) some quarterback luck, likely via the draft and 2) a serious makeover in his coaching staff/tree i.e. some outsiders. Patricia and Judge are not going to cut it.
every single HC hire save for a select few (harbaugh was one of them but nope) comes with risk. Unproven? It's a risk. Retread? Again, risk. Vrabel? Comes with a risk. IS he that good? He lost down the stretch and never won an AFC title game.
They all come with a risk. Unless there's a Tom Coughlin sitting there (and even he came with risk) a HC who had showed he could build something from the ground floor not once but twice --we should just go big or go home.
If this is going to fail again and again we might as well go with the greatest living HC in NFL history. Fuck it. Mara should be offering reach arounds this fucking second. Back channels. Do whatever the fuck is needed to at least leave the door open to Bill coming here.
Andy Reid
Tom Coughlin
Bill Belichick (we forget he was fired in Cleveland)
Bill Parcells lost at the end in NYJ then rebuilt Dallas
Mike Holmgren didn't do badly in Seattle
McCarthy is winning in Dallas more than his predecessor did
Just because you lose for a few years doesn't mean that carries over to the next team.
he won with the GOAT or for being a d coordinator here before most players in the league were born? What has Bill accomplished after Brady left that would make anyone think he’s the best option for 2025 and going forward?
RE: So you think it’s purely coincidental that there’s never been
How long do you think he’d coach? Two seasons? Three?
How often does a 73 year old HC even throw his hat in the ring? Also, i know it's sort of a cliche but being 73 today isn't the same as being 73 20-30 years ago.
If the guy wants to HC again, who the fuck are we to say he can't? You sure about that? You better be. He seems perfectly fine to me. Interview him. Vet him through and through. You want someone else? Who? Ill take BB and worry about depends and Lawrence Welk if and when.
sure how I feel about Belichick or Vrabel but my guess is that Bill would prefer a better roster to win-now than the Giants. Philly and Dallas make a lot more sense for him. All I know that whatever the Giants do the odds are that it's not going to work out for them unless they luck into a franchise QB.
do you think BB would choose NYG over the Eagles, if both jobs were offered to him?
I'd wager he prioritizes winning to pad his W-L record, and chasing championships.
Probably true. I wonder if Philly or Dallas would exclude him from their HC search because he's too old. Something tells me the answer to that would be hell fucking no.
I know it doesn't tell the whole tail but watching Bill on the Manning MNF live cast he did not in any way shape or form look like someone who was too old.
Again, if you can bang and keep up with a 25 year old, you can still coach. Call that a simplistic view all you want. Don't worry he aint coming here anyway as Mara is too fucking cheap and paranoid to ditch the HC and hire some expensive "retread" while rocking the Joe Schoen apple cart.
RE: Is the point to give Belichick a golden parachute for SBs
he won with the GOAT or for being a d coordinator here before most players in the league were born? What has Bill accomplished after Brady left that would make anyone think he’s the best option for 2025 and going forward?
Vince Lombardi, Chuck Noll and Tom Landry. Three coaches with zero championships between them without their HoF QB.
Were they all a product of their QB too?
If Belichick gives the Giants 3 competent seasons,
that will be the best stretch they got in 15 years.
I just want to watch a team that blocks, tackles, and doesn't do stupid shit like disrespect the kicking game. I'm confident Belichick will provide that.
Again - what do the Giants have to lose? If the Giants showed up in Cleveland Sunday with 53 free agents and a new coaching staff would it even matter? Who cares?
Greenfield this shit and get a grownup in here. All we're doing right now is throwing away years.
do you think BB would choose NYG over the Eagles, if both jobs were offered to him?
I'd wager he prioritizes winning to pad his W-L record, and chasing championships.
Probably true. I wonder if Philly or Dallas would exclude him from their HC search because he's too old. Something tells me the answer to that would be hell fucking no.
I know it doesn't tell the whole tail but watching Bill on the Manning MNF live cast he did not in any way shape or form look like someone who was too old.
Again, if you can bang and keep up with a 25 year old, you can still coach. Call that a simplistic view all you want. Don't worry he aint coming here anyway as Mara is too fucking cheap and paranoid to ditch the HC and hire some expensive "retread" while rocking the Joe Schoen apple cart.
that will be the best stretch they got in 15 years.
I just want to watch a team that blocks, tackles, and doesn't do stupid shit like disrespect the kicking game. I'm confident Belichick will provide that.
Again - what do the Giants have to lose? If the Giants showed up in Cleveland Sunday with 53 free agents and a new coaching staff would it even matter? Who cares?
Greenfield this shit and get a grownup in here. All we're doing right now is throwing away years.
You could fly Parcells to Cleveland and have him show up a hour before game time and it'll go better than what will probably end up happening.
Look at the body of work after Brady left.
Also, I think this organization needs a grown up running the show.
I think there’s a very good chance he’s our next coach and I’m fine with that.
So unless Dabs wants to step down as Head Coach this isn't going to work for anyone.
Maybe Bill wants to be defensive coordinator on his way out? Why take the stress of Head
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Look at the body of work after Brady left.
Sure, if you remove the bulk of his career, what else has he done?
Seems like there is some sort of pattern here...
Parcells coaching championships without Lawrence Taylor = 0
Vince Lombardi coaching championships without Bart Starr = 0
Tom Landry coaching championships without Roger Staubach = 0
Chuck Noll coaching championships without Terry Bradshaw = 0
Big concern I would have with Bill if he is indeed coming here is his plan for the offensive staff. The Patricia as OC/OL coach and Judge as a consultant was a head scratcher.
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Look at the body of work after Brady left.
Sure, if you remove the bulk of his career, what else has he done?
Seems like there is some sort of pattern here...
Parcells coaching championships without Lawrence Taylor = 0
Vince Lombardi coaching championships without Bart Starr = 0
Tom Landry coaching championships without Roger Staubach = 0
Chuck Noll coaching championships without Terry Bradshaw = 0
So we need a qb, got it.
I have not seen a lot of discussion around Lombardi not being a good coach because he had Bart Starr, or Tom Landry not being a good coach because he never won without Roger Staubach. This is how the league has been for a long time.
Agree that is the sticking point. BB is not coming in as a coach reporting to Joe Schoen. If they want BB they are changing their structure so BB is running things, even if Schoen is retained just to execute what BB wants.
And I see no possibility of BB not coaching (in addition to whatever other duties he wants).
In comment 16614962 Mike from Ohio said:
I have not seen a lot of discussion around Lombardi not being a good coach because he had Bart Starr, or Tom Landry not being a good coach because he never won without Roger Staubach. This is how the league has been for a long time.
Not that Bill was blameless in the Pats struggles post-Brady, but Kraft exerting more influence had more to do with it than many realize.
McDaniels obviously is a disaster as a head coach, but like Norv Turner in the past, he can run an offense.
For him to actually be a winning coach again, he'd need 1) some quarterback luck, likely via the draft and 2) a serious makeover in his coaching staff/tree i.e. some outsiders. Patricia and Judge are not going to cut it.
They all come with a risk. Unless there's a Tom Coughlin sitting there (and even he came with risk) a HC who had showed he could build something from the ground floor not once but twice --we should just go big or go home.
If this is going to fail again and again we might as well go with the greatest living HC in NFL history. Fuck it. Mara should be offering reach arounds this fucking second. Back channels. Do whatever the fuck is needed to at least leave the door open to Bill coming here.
Andy Reid
Tom Coughlin
Bill Belichick (we forget he was fired in Cleveland)
Bill Parcells lost at the end in NYJ then rebuilt Dallas
Mike Holmgren didn't do badly in Seattle
McCarthy is winning in Dallas more than his predecessor did
Just because you lose for a few years doesn't mean that carries over to the next team.
I am on record. I don't give a shit. The guy still breaths and appears to be quite virile. He's also banging a 25 year old.
My preference would be to hand everything to Vrabel, but I'll take Belichick in a heartbeat.
How long do you think he’d coach? Two seasons? Three?
How long do you think he’d coach? Two seasons? Three?
How often does a 73 year old HC even throw his hat in the ring? Also, i know it's sort of a cliche but being 73 today isn't the same as being 73 20-30 years ago.
If the guy wants to HC again, who the fuck are we to say he can't? You sure about that? You better be. He seems perfectly fine to me. Interview him. Vet him through and through. You want someone else? Who? Ill take BB and worry about depends and Lawrence Welk if and when.
We fired our best HC of this era because of age and 2 straight bad seasons. The young HCs that replaced him were much worse.
If the guy still has it, he still has it. We are worried about him coaching for longer than 3 years? How about we get one good year and go from there.
I'd wager he prioritizes winning to pad his W-L record, and chasing championships.
I'd wager he prioritizes winning to pad his W-L record, and chasing championships.
Probably true. I wonder if Philly or Dallas would exclude him from their HC search because he's too old. Something tells me the answer to that would be hell fucking no.
I know it doesn't tell the whole tail but watching Bill on the Manning MNF live cast he did not in any way shape or form look like someone who was too old.
Again, if you can bang and keep up with a 25 year old, you can still coach. Call that a simplistic view all you want. Don't worry he aint coming here anyway as Mara is too fucking cheap and paranoid to ditch the HC and hire some expensive "retread" while rocking the Joe Schoen apple cart.
Vince Lombardi, Chuck Noll and Tom Landry. Three coaches with zero championships between them without their HoF QB.
Were they all a product of their QB too?
I just want to watch a team that blocks, tackles, and doesn't do stupid shit like disrespect the kicking game. I'm confident Belichick will provide that.
Again - what do the Giants have to lose? If the Giants showed up in Cleveland Sunday with 53 free agents and a new coaching staff would it even matter? Who cares?
Greenfield this shit and get a grownup in here. All we're doing right now is throwing away years.
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do you think BB would choose NYG over the Eagles, if both jobs were offered to him?
I'd wager he prioritizes winning to pad his W-L record, and chasing championships.
Probably true. I wonder if Philly or Dallas would exclude him from their HC search because he's too old. Something tells me the answer to that would be hell fucking no.
I know it doesn't tell the whole tail but watching Bill on the Manning MNF live cast he did not in any way shape or form look like someone who was too old.
Again, if you can bang and keep up with a 25 year old, you can still coach. Call that a simplistic view all you want. Don't worry he aint coming here anyway as Mara is too fucking cheap and paranoid to ditch the HC and hire some expensive "retread" while rocking the Joe Schoen apple cart.
Don't slight the goat...she's 23!!
Daboll, Judge, and McAdoo are young innovative coaches that got chewed up by the Giants' organizational structure.
Time to try a different approach.
I just want to watch a team that blocks, tackles, and doesn't do stupid shit like disrespect the kicking game. I'm confident Belichick will provide that.
Again - what do the Giants have to lose? If the Giants showed up in Cleveland Sunday with 53 free agents and a new coaching staff would it even matter? Who cares?
Greenfield this shit and get a grownup in here. All we're doing right now is throwing away years.
You could fly Parcells to Cleveland and have him show up a hour before game time and it'll go better than what will probably end up happening.
Young and innovative like Ben McAdoo, Joe Judge or Brian Daboll?
I've seen enough of John Mara trying to find a young, innovative coach.
The Bull$hit Mara conspiracy theories again... if he meddled Barkley would still be here.
That said, I think Vrabel would be the better hire in 2025.