thing is so stupid IMO. You are either a HOFer or not. I do think the veteran's thing is useful. That's only baseball, right? Or it WAS useful because players without exposure a long time ago should possibly be revaluated, but that gets less and less necessary.
Subsequent years have some big names at QB coming eligible, and voters might be hesitant to include a second QB with them. They may feel two QBs would take the spotlight away from what see as the "most deserving QB."
2026 has Drew Brees, a first ballot lock.
2027 has Ben Roethlisberger, a first ballot lock. This would be best chance to have two QBs get inducted together. Same draft class, same hall class. Sounds poetic.
2028 has Tom Brady. Not a chance in hell Eli is inducted with Brady.
So Eli isn't first ballot, he might not get in for another two years later, or four years later. And after that long, your chances of ever getting inducted would start shrinking.
RE: If Eli isn't first ballot, he might get stuck waiting a few years
Subsequent years have some big names at QB coming eligible, and voters might be hesitant to include a second QB with them. They may feel two QBs would take the spotlight away from what see as the "most deserving QB."
2026 has Drew Brees, a first ballot lock.
2027 has Ben Roethlisberger, a first ballot lock. This would be best chance to have two QBs get inducted together. Same draft class, same hall class. Sounds poetic.
2028 has Tom Brady. Not a chance in hell Eli is inducted with Brady.
So Eli isn't first ballot, he might not get in for another two years later, or four years later. And after that long, your chances of ever getting inducted would start shrinking.
Ugh. Typos.
MORE deserving QB
So IF Eli isn't first ballot.
RE: If Eli isn't first ballot, he might get stuck waiting a few years
Subsequent years have some big names at QB coming eligible, and voters might be hesitant to include a second QB with them. They may feel two QBs would take the spotlight away from what see as the "most deserving QB."
2026 has Drew Brees, a first ballot lock.
2027 has Ben Roethlisberger, a first ballot lock. This would be best chance to have two QBs get inducted together. Same draft class, same hall class. Sounds poetic.
2028 has Tom Brady. Not a chance in hell Eli is inducted with Brady.
So Eli isn't first ballot, he might not get in for another two years later, or four years later. And after that long, your chances of ever getting inducted would start shrinking.
Boy would it be entertaining if Eli and Brady went in the same year lol
Just start calling it the Hall of Name Recognition
15 years in the league, and he had more than 10 TD's only twice, and only had 900+ yards in a season twice. Has as many as 800 yards only one other time (well one year he had 792 so I'll round it up to 2 times). Even accounting for the fact that passing when he was active wasn't what it is today, still not impressive enough.
He was really good, but not HOF worthy in my mind.
In the eli era better than he was. I think he deserves to just be a giant great with an amazing/unusual legacy and left at that. The story of football can be told without eli manning but certainly not without the 07/11 giants (even considering how good eli was in 11)
In the eli era better than he was. I think he deserves to just be a giant great with an amazing/unusual legacy and left at that. The story of football can be told without eli manning but certainly not without the 07/11 giants (even considering how good eli was in 11)
This doesn’t make sense. If you can tell the story of football without Eli than 07-11 is irrelevant as well then.
Eli's case is based on being better than some guys that are in
Namath had far more INTs than TDs, QB'd one SB but no TD, and has a losing record as a starting QB (62-63-4). Eli has more TDs than INTs, QB'd two SBs with 3 TDs, and has a .500 record.
Antonio Gates TE (no doubter)
Luke Kuechly (Best ILB since Lewis? Him or Willis)
Eli Manning (2 SB MVPs)
Jared Allen (136 sacks, scary pass rusher in prime)
Adam Vinatieri (Most decorated kicker ever probably)
Borderline/close-call guys for me... Steve Smith Sr. is someone I'm higher on than most. I think he'd be a no doubter if he didn't have such atrocious QB play over his career. Terrell Suggs was really good for the Ravens but he was more consistently very good than dominant imo. Justin Smith was dominant for SanFran but probably not for long enough. Haloti Ngata is also pretty close in my book.
In the eli era better than he was. I think he deserves to just be a giant great with an amazing/unusual legacy and left at that. The story of football can be told without eli manning but certainly not without the 07/11 giants (even considering how good eli was in 11)
One of the things that hurts Eli Manning the most is the Eagles beating the Patriots in the Superbowl.
You can't talk about that era of football without it being dominated by Tom Brady - and you couldn't talk Tom Brady without talking about the 1 QB who bested him twice.
One of the things that hurts Eli Manning the most is the Eagles beating the Patriots in the Superbowl.
You can't talk about that era of football without it being dominated by Tom Brady - and you couldn't talk Tom Brady without talking about the 1 QB who bested him twice.
Nick Foles factor? In that game, he did light up the Pats. One of the great games a QB has ever played in the SB, actually. Out of his mind.
Outside of Goff, all the QBs the Pats faced in the dynasty era played pretty well. Hell, Matt Ryan and Jake Delhomme played great in tough losses.
But I can't hold Philly/Foles against Eli. Eli was part of the team that ended the Pats undefeated season. That stands out as major plus for his candidacy.
but he’s not particularly a first ballot hof, in fact he would be one of the weaker first ballot players. that said, they diluted it electing guys like curtis martin and jerome bettis getting in quickly so there is that.
He is also a compiler of stats and has arguably no seasons being viewed as a top 3 qb regular season. i would consider him a top 3 qb in 2011 given the entirety of his work. but that’s it.
His playoff magic is what gets him in. my guess is it will be second or third attempt.
First ballot isn’t just about being worthy of that honor
For many voters it’s about waiting until their peers have retired so you can do an adequate comparison. For guys where there’s absolutely no question like Brady, they’re first ballot no question. But most guys you want to see the full body of work for all the candidates of an era. You can’t let everyone in.
Foles had such a great game in that Super Bowl because BB took his moron pills that day and it felt like Foles had 10 seconds to sit back abd throw the ball. Pretty convenient he decided to bench Butler as well.
Oh well, That loser joke Super Bowl the Eagles won doesn't take shit away from Eli. Patriots were an 18-0 one year. If not for that bullshit call on Boothe with the Giants winning, the Super Bowl 46 was going to be blown wide open.
You know, among the running backs Dorsey Leven was impressive
It gets people away from emotion and focuses them a lot more on the real facts. Eli should be a first ballot guy, however if this was voted on his first year retired he may not have been
RE: This is why the 5 year waiting period is such a good thing
It gets people away from emotion and focuses them a lot more on the real facts. Eli should be a first ballot guy, however if this was voted on his first year retired he may not have been
Great point. I don't think there would be a chance in hell Eli would have gotten in if they voted first year in retirement. And who knows how it would have gone each year down the line, with bogus narratives getting more set with voters.
I think voters will look at Eli differently now than they did 5 years ago. His post-NFL career hasn't hurt, his commercials and Manningcasts have dispelled a lot of the tropes about him being a goofball.
One of the things that hurts Eli Manning the most is the Eagles beating the Patriots in the Superbowl.
You can't talk about that era of football without it being dominated by Tom Brady - and you couldn't talk Tom Brady without talking about the 1 QB who bested him twice.
No it doesn't. In 2007/8 the Patriots were the clear cut dominant team of that time period that came in with an 18-0 record.
There are about 3 dozen 1972 Dolphins that think Eli is a HoF'er.
Anyone who doesn't understand why Joe Namath is in the NFL HOF
The minute Super Bowl III ended Joe Namath was an NFL HOFer. So was Weeb Ewbank who had a .500 record as a head coach. Ewbank won the 2 most famous games in NFL history. Namath threw for 4,000 yards in a 14 game season in the 1960s. If he played in this NFL he'd throw for 6,000 yards.
At some point Eli will be in the NFL HOF. Two Super Bowl MVPs override any other conversation. The NFL HOF is filled with Super Bowl winners.
Which running back do you think is in the NFL HOF?
Running back A =
78 games 1655 rushes 7607 yards 60 TDs + 169 catches 1280 yards 5 TDs
2 Super Bowl wins
or
Running back B =
154 games 2217 rushes 10449 yards 55 TDs + 586 catches 5183 yards 12 TDs
1 Super Bowl loss
Eli has been retired for four full seasons now & is still 10th overall in terms of TD passes & yards.
Mike Greenberg had a great bit right after Eli retired where he got into it with a fellow ESPN employee & pretty much said Eli is severely underrated/no doubt about it HOFer.
In the eli era better than he was. I think he deserves to just be a giant great with an amazing/unusual legacy and left at that. The story of football can be told without eli manning but certainly not without the 07/11 giants (even considering how good eli was in 11)
This doesn’t make sense. If you can tell the story of football without Eli than 07-11 is irrelevant as well then.
Seeing some of that clowns posts in the past it’s obvious he’s a Jets fan troll
He continues to be amongst the top ten quarterbacks in NFL history in each of the primary passing stats. That alone would probably get him in, albeit not on the first ballot.
But his two Super Bowl runs are among the most extraordinary achievements in sports history. Winning Super Bowl MVPs by beating the greatest quarterback and head coach in NFL history, TWICE in four years, is unprecedented. It is a virtual certainty that an achievement like this will never happen again by anyone. Could someone come along in five years and not only beat Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes twice assuming they overtake Belichick and Brady as the GOATs of the sport, but also win two MVPs in doing so? Maybe. But I highly doubt it.
Just as the early history of the NFL's Super Bowl Era could not be written without Joe Namath, the 21st century NFL story could not be written without Eli Manning.
I'm sure players will tell you that they don't care if they get in on the first go or the last go - so long as they get in.
But I think it matters - and it certainly makes for interesting discussion.
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Induct Antoine Bethea as a Football Giant. Make it happen!
I believe Davis is 7th all time in touch for a for a tight end and 11th in receiving yards.
I think a case can be made for him as a HOFer
2026 has Drew Brees, a first ballot lock.
2027 has Ben Roethlisberger, a first ballot lock. This would be best chance to have two QBs get inducted together. Same draft class, same hall class. Sounds poetic.
2028 has Tom Brady. Not a chance in hell Eli is inducted with Brady.
So Eli isn't first ballot, he might not get in for another two years later, or four years later. And after that long, your chances of ever getting inducted would start shrinking.
2026 has Drew Brees, a first ballot lock.
2027 has Ben Roethlisberger, a first ballot lock. This would be best chance to have two QBs get inducted together. Same draft class, same hall class. Sounds poetic.
2028 has Tom Brady. Not a chance in hell Eli is inducted with Brady.
So Eli isn't first ballot, he might not get in for another two years later, or four years later. And after that long, your chances of ever getting inducted would start shrinking.
Ugh. Typos.
MORE deserving QB
So IF Eli isn't first ballot.
2026 has Drew Brees, a first ballot lock.
2027 has Ben Roethlisberger, a first ballot lock. This would be best chance to have two QBs get inducted together. Same draft class, same hall class. Sounds poetic.
2028 has Tom Brady. Not a chance in hell Eli is inducted with Brady.
So Eli isn't first ballot, he might not get in for another two years later, or four years later. And after that long, your chances of ever getting inducted would start shrinking.
Boy would it be entertaining if Eli and Brady went in the same year lol
Thats literally the definition of the word “fame”
noun. the state of being widely known or recognized; renown; celebrity.
He was really good, but not HOF worthy in my mind.
This doesn’t make sense. If you can tell the story of football without Eli than 07-11 is irrelevant as well then.
2026 Brees
2027 Roethlisberger
2028 Brady
Luke Kuechly (Best ILB since Lewis? Him or Willis)
Eli Manning (2 SB MVPs)
Jared Allen (136 sacks, scary pass rusher in prime)
Adam Vinatieri (Most decorated kicker ever probably)
Borderline/close-call guys for me... Steve Smith Sr. is someone I'm higher on than most. I think he'd be a no doubter if he didn't have such atrocious QB play over his career. Terrell Suggs was really good for the Ravens but he was more consistently very good than dominant imo. Justin Smith was dominant for SanFran but probably not for long enough. Haloti Ngata is also pretty close in my book.
this makes absolutely no sense....
You can't talk about that era of football without it being dominated by Tom Brady - and you couldn't talk Tom Brady without talking about the 1 QB who bested him twice.
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Vernon Davis? Lol.
Induct Antoine Bethea as a Football Giant. Make it happen!
I believe Davis is 7th all time in touch for a for a tight end and 11th in receiving yards.
I think a case can be made for him as a HOFer
Hall of Very Good, yes.
You can't talk about that era of football without it being dominated by Tom Brady - and you couldn't talk Tom Brady without talking about the 1 QB who bested him twice.
Nick Foles factor? In that game, he did light up the Pats. One of the great games a QB has ever played in the SB, actually. Out of his mind.
Outside of Goff, all the QBs the Pats faced in the dynasty era played pretty well. Hell, Matt Ryan and Jake Delhomme played great in tough losses.
But I can't hold Philly/Foles against Eli. Eli was part of the team that ended the Pats undefeated season. That stands out as major plus for his candidacy.
He is also a compiler of stats and has arguably no seasons being viewed as a top 3 qb regular season. i would consider him a top 3 qb in 2011 given the entirety of his work. but that’s it.
His playoff magic is what gets him in. my guess is it will be second or third attempt.
Oh well, That loser joke Super Bowl the Eagles won doesn't take shit away from Eli. Patriots were an 18-0 one year. If not for that bullshit call on Boothe with the Giants winning, the Super Bowl 46 was going to be blown wide open.
Great point. I don't think there would be a chance in hell Eli would have gotten in if they voted first year in retirement. And who knows how it would have gone each year down the line, with bogus narratives getting more set with voters.
I think voters will look at Eli differently now than they did 5 years ago. His post-NFL career hasn't hurt, his commercials and Manningcasts have dispelled a lot of the tropes about him being a goofball.
Induct Antoine Bethea as a Football Giant. Make it happen!
Darren Sproles is a weird one, but he won't get in. He was a good player, but Tiki has a MUCH better case.
"No, worst ever two-time Super Bowl MVP."
You can't talk about that era of football without it being dominated by Tom Brady - and you couldn't talk Tom Brady without talking about the 1 QB who bested him twice.
No it doesn't. In 2007/8 the Patriots were the clear cut dominant team of that time period that came in with an 18-0 record.
There are about 3 dozen 1972 Dolphins that think Eli is a HoF'er.
The minute Super Bowl III ended Joe Namath was an NFL HOFer. So was Weeb Ewbank who had a .500 record as a head coach. Ewbank won the 2 most famous games in NFL history. Namath threw for 4,000 yards in a 14 game season in the 1960s. If he played in this NFL he'd throw for 6,000 yards.
At some point Eli will be in the NFL HOF. Two Super Bowl MVPs override any other conversation. The NFL HOF is filled with Super Bowl winners.
Which running back do you think is in the NFL HOF?
Running back A =
78 games 1655 rushes 7607 yards 60 TDs + 169 catches 1280 yards 5 TDs
2 Super Bowl wins
or
Running back B =
154 games 2217 rushes 10449 yards 55 TDs + 586 catches 5183 yards 12 TDs
1 Super Bowl loss
Mike Greenberg had a great bit right after Eli retired where he got into it with a fellow ESPN employee & pretty much said Eli is severely underrated/no doubt about it HOFer.
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In the eli era better than he was. I think he deserves to just be a giant great with an amazing/unusual legacy and left at that. The story of football can be told without eli manning but certainly not without the 07/11 giants (even considering how good eli was in 11)
This doesn’t make sense. If you can tell the story of football without Eli than 07-11 is irrelevant as well then.
Seeing some of that clowns posts in the past it’s obvious he’s a Jets fan troll
Floyd Little getting in should open the flood gates for another dozen RBs.
I say it every year during HoF talk. Sterling Sharpe not being in the HoF is an absolute tragedy. JFC, was he great WR during his time. Uncoverable.
But his two Super Bowl runs are among the most extraordinary achievements in sports history. Winning Super Bowl MVPs by beating the greatest quarterback and head coach in NFL history, TWICE in four years, is unprecedented. It is a virtual certainty that an achievement like this will never happen again by anyone. Could someone come along in five years and not only beat Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes twice assuming they overtake Belichick and Brady as the GOATs of the sport, but also win two MVPs in doing so? Maybe. But I highly doubt it.
Just as the early history of the NFL's Super Bowl Era could not be written without Joe Namath, the 21st century NFL story could not be written without Eli Manning.
In his seven seasons, including his rookie season where he had one TD for the year, here are his season averages:
85 catches, 1200 yards, 14 YPC and 9 TDs.
Again, that includes his rookie year where he had 55 catches, 700 yards, and 1 TD.
In his last three season before his career ending neck injury, here were his averages:
105 catches, 1300 yards, and 14 TDs.
Guy was a monster.