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Spider43 : 9/18/2024 3:29 pm
Ewers and Arch, in the crosshairs! Probably no different than other years, but it's being played up more so this year, for obvious reasons. Me likey!

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I couldn't believe  
mittenedman : 9/18/2024 3:35 pm : link
how good Arch Manning looked in that game. It was against UTSA so it is what it is, but still. Wow.

For anyone that didn't see it, treat yourself to the highlights:


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I'd go QB this year  
KDavies : 9/18/2024 3:37 pm : link
but unless I hit gold with that, I wouldn't pass on Arch if I had the opportunity to get him. He is the real deal. Throws a beautiful ball. Although poor competition, he made some excellent throws against UTSA. The corner end zone throw was a thing of beauty.

And he's athletic, being the son of the most athletic Manning boy, Cooper. He reached top speed of 20.7 MPH on that 67 yd TD run. Incidentally, that is faster than anything Tyreke Hill has run in a game this year. A guy who can play QB at say the level of Eli, who has athleticism like that? Good stuff. Wouldn't design runs for him or anything crazy, but just to have that in your back pocket when needed? Nuts
Due diligence on QBs  
Chris684 : 9/18/2024 3:46 pm : link
They'll ultimately pass on.
Does this mean we have to suck  
johnnyb : 9/18/2024 3:47 pm : link
for another year to have the opportunity to draft manning? Life is short.
RE: Due diligence on QBs  
KDavies : 9/18/2024 3:51 pm : link
In comment 16615275 Chris684 said:
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They'll ultimately pass on.


There is a lot to criticize the front office on, but passing on Nabers for the likes of JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix is hardly one. Caleb wasn't even a question, and they couldn't trade up for Daniels or Maye
I highly doubt Schoen is even looking at Arch  
Blue The Dog : 9/18/2024 3:51 pm : link
If we are still looking for a QB by the time he comes out, Schoen won't be the one picking. Especially if we are in a position to take one at the top of the draft
RE: RE: Due diligence on QBs  
Blue The Dog : 9/18/2024 3:52 pm : link
In comment 16615285 KDavies said:
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They'll ultimately pass on.



There is a lot to criticize the front office on, but passing on Nabers for the likes of JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix is hardly one. Caleb wasn't even a question, and they couldn't trade up for Daniels or Maye


No one has any idea how good or bad JJ or Penix are as pros. This take is premature
RE: RE: Due diligence on QBs  
Chris684 : 9/18/2024 3:54 pm : link
In comment 16615285 KDavies said:
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They'll ultimately pass on.



There is a lot to criticize the front office on, but passing on Nabers for the likes of JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix is hardly one. Caleb wasn't even a question, and they couldn't trade up for Daniels or Maye


How are you so sure about that?
Guess Schoen is planning to be here next year...  
FranknWeezer : 9/18/2024 3:54 pm : link
...so according to Connor Hughes, sounds like this team needs to get to at least 4 wins!
RE: RE: RE: Due diligence on QBs  
djm : 9/18/2024 3:56 pm : link
In comment 16615287 Blue The Dog said:
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They'll ultimately pass on.



There is a lot to criticize the front office on, but passing on Nabers for the likes of JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix is hardly one. Caleb wasn't even a question, and they couldn't trade up for Daniels or Maye



No one has any idea how good or bad JJ or Penix are as pros. This take is premature


Point is they aren't transcendent can't miss QBs. They are typical young QBs that need shit to marinate and probably need shit around them to be right. In other words, they are virtually a dime a dozen. Might be good. Might not. I'd rather have the great WR. Draft this same guy next April and hopefully he's better than that.

RE: RE: RE: RE: Due diligence on QBs  
KDavies : 9/18/2024 4:14 pm : link
In comment 16615293 djm said:
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They'll ultimately pass on.



There is a lot to criticize the front office on, but passing on Nabers for the likes of JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix is hardly one. Caleb wasn't even a question, and they couldn't trade up for Daniels or Maye



No one has any idea how good or bad JJ or Penix are as pros. This take is premature



Point is they aren't transcendent can't miss QBs. They are typical young QBs that need shit to marinate and probably need shit around them to be right. In other words, they are virtually a dime a dozen. Might be good. Might not. I'd rather have the great WR. Draft this same guy next April and hopefully he's better than that.


Exactly. Give me an all pro talent at WR over a coin flip at QB
I have been happy with the positional picks Schoen has made  
Dinger : 9/18/2024 4:14 pm : link
from the start. Not knowing much about college players, I havent had an issue with too many(Wandale at 2nd is the exception, felt his type of 'game' is something that should be added after the lines and cb's are set). With time I am not liking his picks more and more. Neal and KT are still no where near proven AVERAGE players and though Banks shines at times is he a lock down CB you'd hope to get in the 1st round? Currently he is Schoen's best most proven pick(though I do think LEEEEK will surpass). My point of focus is more the OL picks. Could our poor DRAFTING be attributed to the scouts we had/have in place? When we picked Neal (very highly regarded) Ezeudu McKethan and JMS were these done with scouts from the prrevious 'regime' who had very little skill, luck or success with picking OL? This sight is a great resource or questions like this and was wondering if the 'overhaul' to our scouting/player evaluation we were expecting when Schoen took over was/is completed? I supposed it should be a constant process as is with most successful businesses, but The Giants are a family business and tend to be too loyal for too long.
Manning to Nabers  
Photoguy : 9/18/2024 4:15 pm : link
55 yd touchdown....

One can dream, right?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Due diligence on QBs  
Blue The Dog : 9/18/2024 4:20 pm : link
In comment 16615293 djm said:
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They'll ultimately pass on.



There is a lot to criticize the front office on, but passing on Nabers for the likes of JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix is hardly one. Caleb wasn't even a question, and they couldn't trade up for Daniels or Maye



No one has any idea how good or bad JJ or Penix are as pros. This take is premature



Point is they aren't transcendent can't miss QBs. They are typical young QBs that need shit to marinate and probably need shit around them to be right. In other words, they are virtually a dime a dozen. Might be good. Might not. I'd rather have the great WR. Draft this same guy next April and hopefully he's better than that.


Again, you have no idea how good those guys are. You are making assumptions without ever seeing them step onto an NFL field.

At this point in Mahomes career, he was riding the bench behind Alex Smith. Based off of what you said earlier, mahomes would have been considered "a dime a dozen" and taking Corey Davis would have been a better selection.

The point is, you have no idea whether these guys are transcendent or not. Nor do you truly know if Nabers is
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Due diligence on QBs  
Chris684 : 9/18/2024 4:35 pm : link
In comment 16615326 Blue The Dog said:
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They'll ultimately pass on.



There is a lot to criticize the front office on, but passing on Nabers for the likes of JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix is hardly one. Caleb wasn't even a question, and they couldn't trade up for Daniels or Maye



No one has any idea how good or bad JJ or Penix are as pros. This take is premature



Point is they aren't transcendent can't miss QBs. They are typical young QBs that need shit to marinate and probably need shit around them to be right. In other words, they are virtually a dime a dozen. Might be good. Might not. I'd rather have the great WR. Draft this same guy next April and hopefully he's better than that.




Again, you have no idea how good those guys are. You are making assumptions without ever seeing them step onto an NFL field.

At this point in Mahomes career, he was riding the bench behind Alex Smith. Based off of what you said earlier, mahomes would have been considered "a dime a dozen" and taking Corey Davis would have been a better selection.

The point is, you have no idea whether these guys are transcendent or not. Nor do you truly know if Nabers is


Correct.
Eli Manning was terrible for most of his rookie starts  
Greg from LI : 9/18/2024 4:58 pm : link
Just saying
Nabers has looked great these first two weeks  
Go Terps : 9/18/2024 4:59 pm : link
He is very fast and dynamic, especially after he's caught the ball...and yet the Giants have scored 24 points in two games.

Two things:

1. Good WRs can't cover up for bad QBs
2. WRs are easy to find in the draft; QBs are not
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Due diligence on QBs  
djm : 9/18/2024 4:59 pm : link
In comment 16615326 Blue The Dog said:
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They'll ultimately pass on.



There is a lot to criticize the front office on, but passing on Nabers for the likes of JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix is hardly one. Caleb wasn't even a question, and they couldn't trade up for Daniels or Maye



No one has any idea how good or bad JJ or Penix are as pros. This take is premature



Point is they aren't transcendent can't miss QBs. They are typical young QBs that need shit to marinate and probably need shit around them to be right. In other words, they are virtually a dime a dozen. Might be good. Might not. I'd rather have the great WR. Draft this same guy next April and hopefully he's better than that.




Again, you have no idea how good those guys are. You are making assumptions without ever seeing them step onto an NFL field.

At this point in Mahomes career, he was riding the bench behind Alex Smith. Based off of what you said earlier, mahomes would have been considered "a dime a dozen" and taking Corey Davis would have been a better selection.

The point is, you have no idea whether these guys are transcendent or not. Nor do you truly know if Nabers is


You're missing the point. They came into the NFL as flawed but decent QB prospects. This is a slam dunk fact. Nabers came into the NFL as a virtual flawless "90" rated WR. Again, FACT. The first 2 weeks only reinforced this. You want to draft a question mark at QB over a slam dunk at WR be my guest I wouldn't say it's a terrible idea but it's risky. This has nothing to do with Mahomes. Chiefs got lucky. Hopefully we do too whenever that QB comes along.

There will be plenty of JJMs and Bo Nixes and Penix type QB prospects next April. Some might be great. Some might not. Same shit different draft.

maybe I didn't explain that correctly  
djm : 9/18/2024 5:09 pm : link
I understand that Nix or JJM or any of these QBs could be HOFers one day. Not disputing that at all. I am just saying they weren't considered that good or that perfect can't miss type when they came out. That is indisputable. I'd rather draft the low hanging fruit no brainer star over the questionable talent in round 1, but I get the fans wanting the QB.

QB is a dangerous game in the draft. The data is over whelming that it's a dangerous game. Not saying we shouldn't draft a QB early, shit I wanted one this last April but I am happy we got Nabers and even Nubin in round 2. This roster needs TALENT. There will be other QBs to draft.
Lucy and the Football  
MojoEd : 9/18/2024 5:17 pm : link
Take the hopium in moderation. Until the DJ era is officially over, I wouldn’t trust Mara to not do a Lucy turn and pull the foootball away. DJ will still have two years left on that “market friendly” contract.
Let's hope they don't  
Section227 : 9/18/2024 5:45 pm : link
screw up the next draft the way he screw up the 2022 draft
Let's say  
Scooter185 : 9/18/2024 5:45 pm : link
NYG does get #1 overall

There's a WR graded higher than all the QBs, who do you take?
Schoen is just getting out of town  
Bill in UT : 9/18/2024 5:59 pm : link
to avoid the heat
RE: Let's say  
Go Terps : 9/18/2024 6:06 pm : link
In comment 16615389 Scooter185 said:
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NYG does get #1 overall

There's a WR graded higher than all the QBs, who do you take?


Exactly. If the Giants have the top pick are they supposed to pass on Tetairoa McMillan, Travis Hunter, Will Johnson, James Pearce, Mason Graham, etc. so they can take Carson freaking Beck? No way.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/18/2024 6:15 pm : link
I personally think the bottom is going to fall out and Schoen won’t even be on the Giants come next spring.
I was actually gonna start a thread  
bceagle05 : 9/18/2024 6:16 pm : link
on what the Giants would/should do with the #1 or #2 pick if they got it, but thought it was a bit premature.

Will Johnson - Deonte Banks - Dru Phillips would be an elite CB group - passing up on that to roll the dice on Beck or Ewers feels like a disaster waiting to happen.
Beck has pretty substantial arm tattoos  
Jerry in_DC : 9/18/2024 6:20 pm : link
Not sure he's going to be on the board.
RE: Beck has pretty substantial arm tattoos  
Go Terps : 9/18/2024 7:00 pm : link
In comment 16615412 Jerry in_DC said:
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Not sure he's going to be on the board.


No kidding. And let's be honest - Arch Manning lingers over the whole QB discussion now.
RE: Beck has pretty substantial arm tattoos  
bw in dc : 9/18/2024 7:02 pm : link
In comment 16615412 Jerry in_DC said:
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Not sure he's going to be on the board.


Tattoo or not, I'm less and less convinced he should be on top of anybody's board.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/18/2024 7:04 pm : link
Is it wrong that I really think Beck's tattoos might take him off the Giants board? & I'm not kidding.
And out the GM's other eye  
JoeMorrison40 : 9/18/2024 7:05 pm : link
He's sizing up someone off our radar. A retread coach in the college game ?
The QB firewall...  
bw in dc : 9/18/2024 7:06 pm : link
for 1925 Giants Way is Marshall Manning. He's Peyton's 12-year-old son. He should be draft eligible by 2032.

Of course, that assumes Jones won't be going into his 14th year here...
RE: I was actually gonna start a thread  
nygiants16 : 9/18/2024 7:07 pm : link
In comment 16615409 bceagle05 said:
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on what the Giants would/should do with the #1 or #2 pick if they got it, but thought it was a bit premature.

Will Johnson - Deonte Banks - Dru Phillips would be an elite CB group - passing up on that to roll the dice on Beck or Ewers feels like a disaster waiting to happen.


I still think Giants will go the Vet QB route
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/18/2024 7:10 pm : link
I honestly do believe that, barring him morphing into something he's never been, Jones won't be on the roster in '25.
RE: Guess Schoen is planning to be here next year...  
GiantGrit : 9/18/2024 7:18 pm : link
In comment 16615291 FranknWeezer said:
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...so according to Connor Hughes, sounds like this team needs to get to at least 4 wins!


Interesting; where did you hear him say that?
RE: RE: Guess Schoen is planning to be here next year...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/18/2024 7:31 pm : link
In comment 16615460 GiantGrit said:
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...so according to Connor Hughes, sounds like this team needs to get to at least 4 wins!



Interesting; where did you hear him say that?


I don't get this. Of course Schoen expects to be here next year. He should think that. You think he's saying, 'Oh well. I'm going to get fired so I might as well not scout players?' I'm sure Gettleman was scouting players in '21.

Schoen will be here until he's not.
RE: ...  
Jerry in_DC : 9/18/2024 7:38 pm : link
In comment 16615453 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I honestly do believe that, barring him morphing into something he's never been, Jones won't be on the roster in '25.


I won't believe it until it's done. We are paying half his cap hit either way. Makes it easier to talk themselves into it. If he plays a few games like he did in Washington, it's definitely in the realm of possibilities that we draft McMillian and we have a prove it year for Jones next season.
There’s an SI article about  
cosmicj : 9/18/2024 8:48 pm : link
DeSean Watson where they quote a former NFL exec who names Ewers and Nussmeier like they were the two top QB prospects. I wonder if that’s the current consensus among the scouts.
Racking up the airline miles..  
WinterIsComing : 9/18/2024 10:14 pm : link
Only to miss on 95% of the picks. ‘Average Joe’ drafting will continue. Gotta love that Buffalo model of drafting.
RE: There’s an SI article about  
bw in dc : 9/18/2024 10:26 pm : link
In comment 16615512 cosmicj said:
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DeSean Watson where they quote a former NFL exec who names Ewers and Nussmeier like they were the two top QB prospects. I wonder if that’s the current consensus among the scouts.


I have been hyping Nussmeier around here for about a month. Because so many players opt out of bowls, especially the non-playoff bowls, they are much less interesting, and I just don't watch as many.

I was on YouTube a month ago and watched a condensed version of the ReliaQuest Bowl between LSU and Wisconsin. Nussmeier was playing QB because - wisely - Daniels opted out. And, man, did his arm talent jump off the screen. Kid was throwing darts all over the field - short, mid and deep.

So, I did some more research and thought he might be a hidden gem going into this year. He can really spin it.

RE: Does this mean we have to suck  
jerseygiant : 9/18/2024 11:22 pm : link
In comment 16615276 johnnyb said:
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for another year to have the opportunity to draft manning? Life is short.


Not if he forces his way to NY like his uncle 😌
RE: RE: Let's say  
BestFeature : 12:15 am : link
In comment 16615401 Go Terps said:
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NYG does get #1 overall

There's a WR graded higher than all the QBs, who do you take?



Exactly. If the Giants have the top pick are they supposed to pass on Tetairoa McMillan, Travis Hunter, Will Johnson, James Pearce, Mason Graham, etc. so they can take Carson freaking Beck? No way.


I can't tell if that's you mocking similar takes or serious. If serious, how is that different from what happened last year where the top 3 QBs were taken and Nabers was available?
Drew Kendall day 3 for the IOL  
Blue Baas : 1:56 am : link
I'm a BC alum so been keeping track of any draftable guys when I watch. He's played center and guard, looks solid but I don't really know much about scouting OL. He has worked with Snee at BC already who is now onboard as a scout so they have all the info on him they need.
RE: RE: RE: Let's say  
Go Terps : 2:28 am : link
In comment 16615630 BestFeature said:
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In comment 16615389 Scooter185 said:


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NYG does get #1 overall

There's a WR graded higher than all the QBs, who do you take?



Exactly. If the Giants have the top pick are they supposed to pass on Tetairoa McMillan, Travis Hunter, Will Johnson, James Pearce, Mason Graham, etc. so they can take Carson freaking Beck? No way.



I can't tell if that's you mocking similar takes or serious. If serious, how is that different from what happened last year where the top 3 QBs were taken and Nabers was available?


That's my point. If taking a QB wasn't ok last year how is it OK this year when the QBs aren't as good?
the only way Beck isn't on their board  
BigBlueCane : 3:58 am : link
is because of the stuff surrounding Georgia's program as a whole.

Which is possible.

Otherwise, Ewers health issues is gonna be a big problem.
Let’s be real: Beck will be high on their board  
He had a very average game against Kentucky’s good defense.
But at crunch time he was 5 for 7 with several completions in tight windows on the TD drive. He did miss a wide open WR on a deep pass.He made mistakes that game.It’s a long season and he intrigues me with his tool set.
It’s a long season but Beck and Ewers will be high on multiple teams boards.
I do worry a bit that Ewers always seems to be nicked up with injuries the last several years.
Ward and Sanders are also getting a lot of interest by draft analysts.
It might turn out to be a good QB group headed to the draft.
Glad that Schoen and scouts on the road checking out the QB’s.
It’s a top priority for the Giants.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Let's say  
mittenedman : 7:49 am : link
In comment 16615668 Go Terps said:
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NYG does get #1 overall

There's a WR graded higher than all the QBs, who do you take?



Exactly. If the Giants have the top pick are they supposed to pass on Tetairoa McMillan, Travis Hunter, Will Johnson, James Pearce, Mason Graham, etc. so they can take Carson freaking Beck? No way.



I can't tell if that's you mocking similar takes or serious. If serious, how is that different from what happened last year where the top 3 QBs were taken and Nabers was available?



That's my point. If taking a QB wasn't ok last year how is it OK this year when the QBs aren't as good?


Who says they aren’t as good? The season has barely started and there look to be another handful of WBs at the top. It’s anyone’s guess how these guys transition to the pro game as we’ve seen countless times.
QBs.  
mittenedman : 7:49 am : link
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BigBlueShock : 8:05 am : link
In comment 16615668 Go Terps said:
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NYG does get #1 overall

There's a WR graded higher than all the QBs, who do you take?



Exactly. If the Giants have the top pick are they supposed to pass on Tetairoa McMillan, Travis Hunter, Will Johnson, James Pearce, Mason Graham, etc. so they can take Carson freaking Beck? No way.



I can't tell if that's you mocking similar takes or serious. If serious, how is that different from what happened last year where the top 3 QBs were taken and Nabers was available?



That's my point. If taking a QB wasn't ok last year how is it OK this year when the QBs aren't as good?

To suggest none of these QBs can be as good as JJ freakin McCarthy is laughable. As is your strange idea that since they didn’t love any of the QBs remaining last year so they should punt the QB position for all of eternity now
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Let's say  
nygiants16 : 8:18 am : link
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NYG does get #1 overall

There's a WR graded higher than all the QBs, who do you take?



Exactly. If the Giants have the top pick are they supposed to pass on Tetairoa McMillan, Travis Hunter, Will Johnson, James Pearce, Mason Graham, etc. so they can take Carson freaking Beck? No way.



I can't tell if that's you mocking similar takes or serious. If serious, how is that different from what happened last year where the top 3 QBs were taken and Nabers was available?



That's my point. If taking a QB wasn't ok last year how is it OK this year when the QBs aren't as good?


To suggest none of these QBs can be as good as JJ freakin McCarthy is laughable. As is your strange idea that since they didn’t love any of the QBs remaining last year so they should punt the QB position for all of eternity now


This is his way of being able to shit on whateber QB they select next year even though he has been begging for a new QB...

He wants to keep his schtick going no matter what
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