Who are in the locker room can’t see the vibe of the players?
you mean like Pat Leonard saying Nabers was pissed off and his injurybwas worse than they said?
Problem is no one trusts the best writers, Dunleavy is a troll, Leonard makes up shit to stir the pot and Ranaan knows everytime he makes a negative comment he is going tk get attention
Where did Leonard say that? Genuine question.
When he first reported it, said Nabers was acting different and seemed angry at his locker, even lied about people asming if he was ok
WR Malik Nabers was acting not like himself in the locker room today. Some players were asking him how he was. Now we know why: he’s now on the injury report as limited with a knee injury
It doesn’t say it was worse and Nabers probably was upset about getting hurt. I don’t see the issue, and this is coming from a Leonard hater for how he treated Odell
if you think Schoen is scapegoating Daboll and Daboll didn't sign off on Jones you're an idiot. Sorry, that's harsh but pay attention to how teams operate. The HC has a shit load of influence and power. They literally build the roster along with the GM who is doing GM things.
How the hell could anyone sit here and think that Daboll didn't want Jones???? If anything, one could actually speculate that Schoen DIDN'T really want to keep Jones and Daboll pushed for it. HCs don't get saddled with a QB they don't want for 2-3 years running...very rare if it happens. And you'd know about it by now because the HC would have benched the QB or leaked shit to the press.
Think.
"Can you work with him short term while we pick Nabers? NE wants to stripmine us for draft picks. "
"yeah, we can make it work, Joe." and "yeah, lock him up, i love the guy" are very different worlds of 'signing off'. Which one is more realistic?
Nabors dropping an easy catch and a D that couldn't get one stop did. There is cause for optimism, but most on here threw in the towel after the draft, so they can't see it.
Nabors dropping an easy catch and a D that couldn't get one stop did. There is cause for optimism, but most on here threw in the towel after the draft, so they can't see it.
You believe not being able to kick 3 PATs in a game we lost by 3 points had nothing to do with the outcome, but a guy dropping a pass at the 22 yard line in a time game when we couldn't kick a field goal did?
Nabors dropping an easy catch and a D that couldn't get one stop did. There is cause for optimism, but most on here threw in the towel after the draft, so they can't see it.
The erasure of Spécial Teams continues.
RE: The little I saw of Daboll on Hard Knocks other than the QB interviews
if you think Schoen is scapegoating Daboll and Daboll didn't sign off on Jones you're an idiot. Sorry, that's harsh but pay attention to how teams operate. The HC has a shit load of influence and power. They literally build the roster along with the GM who is doing GM things.
How the hell could anyone sit here and think that Daboll didn't want Jones???? If anything, one could actually speculate that Schoen DIDN'T really want to keep Jones and Daboll pushed for it. HCs don't get saddled with a QB they don't want for 2-3 years running...very rare if it happens. And you'd know about it by now because the HC would have benched the QB or leaked shit to the press.
Think.
"Can you work with him short term while we pick Nabers? NE wants to stripmine us for draft picks. "
"yeah, we can make it work, Joe." and "yeah, lock him up, i love the guy" are very different worlds of 'signing off'. Which one is more realistic?
Exactly how much time do Schoen and Daboll think they have while all leading indicators for success are pointing the wrong way for them?
It's year 3 for these guys now and thing are not getting better.
We are nowhere at QB and they own it. No matter blaming the boogeyman Gettleman. Daboll had a very public falling out with one of his coordinators. His staff hires look questionable, including his new D coordinator who hasn't been able to stop a runny nose in 2 games. His judgement/decision making is looking worse and worse each week. There are many examples now.
If someone asked what Schoen and Daboll are building towards, what exactly is the answer? Because I have no idea. They spew this smart, tough and dependable but don't even follow it! Do players like Jones, Waller, Tyrod Taylor or Parris Campbell check those boxes?
if you think Schoen is scapegoating Daboll and Daboll didn't sign off on Jones you're an idiot. Sorry, that's harsh but pay attention to how teams operate. The HC has a shit load of influence and power. They literally build the roster along with the GM who is doing GM things.
How the hell could anyone sit here and think that Daboll didn't want Jones???? If anything, one could actually speculate that Schoen DIDN'T really want to keep Jones and Daboll pushed for it. HCs don't get saddled with a QB they don't want for 2-3 years running...very rare if it happens. And you'd know about it by now because the HC would have benched the QB or leaked shit to the press.
Think.
"Can you work with him short term while we pick Nabers? NE wants to stripmine us for draft picks. "
"yeah, we can make it work, Joe." and "yeah, lock him up, i love the guy" are very different worlds of 'signing off'. Which one is more realistic?
Exactly how much time do Schoen and Daboll think they have while all leading indicators for success are pointing the wrong way for them?
It's year 3 for these guys now and thing are not getting better.
We are nowhere at QB and they own it. No matter blaming the boogeyman Gettleman. Daboll had a very public falling out with one of his coordinators. His staff hires look questionable, including his new D coordinator who hasn't been able to stop a runny nose in 2 games. His judgement/decision making is looking worse and worse each week. There are many examples now.
If someone asked what Schoen and Daboll are building towards, what exactly is the answer? Because I have no idea. They spew this smart, tough and dependable but don't even follow it! Do players like Jones, Waller, Tyrod Taylor or Parris Campbell check those boxes?
Is the OL better?
Is the Wr room better?
Is the DL better?
Is the LBs better?
Is the secondary better?
So really the only thing you have to blame on Schoen is the QB and rightfully so, they messed up but you keep acting like they havnt improved the team from when they took over
if you think Schoen is scapegoating Daboll and Daboll didn't sign off on Jones you're an idiot. Sorry, that's harsh but pay attention to how teams operate. The HC has a shit load of influence and power. They literally build the roster along with the GM who is doing GM things.
How the hell could anyone sit here and think that Daboll didn't want Jones???? If anything, one could actually speculate that Schoen DIDN'T really want to keep Jones and Daboll pushed for it. HCs don't get saddled with a QB they don't want for 2-3 years running...very rare if it happens. And you'd know about it by now because the HC would have benched the QB or leaked shit to the press.
Think.
"Can you work with him short term while we pick Nabers? NE wants to stripmine us for draft picks. "
"yeah, we can make it work, Joe." and "yeah, lock him up, i love the guy" are very different worlds of 'signing off'. Which one is more realistic?
Exactly how much time do Schoen and Daboll think they have while all leading indicators for success are pointing the wrong way for them?
It's year 3 for these guys now and thing are not getting better.
We are nowhere at QB and they own it. No matter blaming the boogeyman Gettleman. Daboll had a very public falling out with one of his coordinators. His staff hires look questionable, including his new D coordinator who hasn't been able to stop a runny nose in 2 games. His judgement/decision making is looking worse and worse each week. There are many examples now.
If someone asked what Schoen and Daboll are building towards, what exactly is the answer? Because I have no idea. They spew this smart, tough and dependable but don't even follow it! Do players like Jones, Waller, Tyrod Taylor or Parris Campbell check those boxes?
Is the OL better?
Is the Wr room better?
Is the DL better?
Is the LBs better?
Is the secondary better?
So really the only thing you have to blame on Schoen is the QB and rightfully so, they messed up but you keep acting like they havnt improved the team from when they took over
Improved would be pretty easy with where we were. Actually being good is a different question. Also, very curious as to why the overall team is not any good if we are so improved in all of these areas.
I would love for you to be right and me to be wrong, but by the time November comes this team will be 2-6 or worse. You can write it down.
so either the improved talent schoen added didnt fit strategically or he hired the wrong head coach who is leading underperformance.
the reporting that inspired this thread indicates that the latter continues to ebb closer to obviousness, and how could it not after the kicker fiasco?
i dont think it is too extreme to say that daboll's is staring into the abyss right now and if he cant scratch out a win and some competitive football in the next 6 days, it may all come crashing down. once players lose belief the bottom drops.
I don't understand the Jones comments. He is the best QB on the roster. It would be one thing if he was starting over Maye or another rookie.
He's starting over Lock and DeVito. These players aren't better than him.
You do understand that this is the exact reason many of us are fed up, right? There is simply no reason in the world that Jones should still be the best option on this team. It’s ridiculous that they didn’t upgrade the position with a better backup and I think it’s incredibly obvious it was because they didn’t WANT to upgrade the back up position so as to not put any more pressure on poor little Daniel. It’s infuriating
I no respect for a beat who enjoys stirring up trouble. That's what this is creating, probably made-up problems, for a team trying to stabilize the season. Screw off schmuck!!!
This regime started off 7-2 with the talent that existed already. They are subsequently 9-19-1 since
They inherited a top 5 draft choice and soon to be expiring contracts on Jones & Saquon that could have created alot of cap space
The best players here are still Andrew Thomas and Dexter Lawrence.
The received extra draft picks for Leonard Williams & Kadarius Toney. They for some reason chose not to trade Saquon Barkley or Xavier McKinney at 1-5 last year for even more picks
of why they didn't attempt to upgrade the QB after seeing how the off season played out.
Not sure about being close to losing the team but I think at least some players are questioning the HC after how the first two games played out. Need some wins and if they get blown out a couple more times it could get ugly.
This regime started off 7-2 with the talent that existed already. They are subsequently 9-19-1 since
They inherited a top 5 draft choice and soon to be expiring contracts on Jones & Saquon that could have created alot of cap space
The best players here are still Andrew Thomas and Dexter Lawrence.
The received extra draft picks for Leonard Williams & Kadarius Toney. They for some reason chose not to trade Saquon Barkley or Xavier McKinney at 1-5 last year for even more picks
i mean they arent starting multiple veterans at the league minimum, many signed off the street week 2 like year 1.
by the end of year 1 i think they had somewhere between 5-10 starters from street FA/waiver claims and most werent even due to injuries (hodgins, jaylon smith, jarrad davis, mccloud, moureau, etc).
This regime started off 7-2 with the talent that existed already. They are subsequently 9-19-1 since
They inherited a top 5 draft choice and soon to be expiring contracts on Jones & Saquon that could have created alot of cap space
The best players here are still Andrew Thomas and Dexter Lawrence.
The received extra draft picks for Leonard Williams & Kadarius Toney. They for some reason chose not to trade Saquon Barkley or Xavier McKinney at 1-5 last year for even more picks
It’s definitely better. If they had competent QB play I think there’s enough talent to be an 8-9 win team as a ceiling.
In areas like WR the talent is clearly better. I'm not sure on balance if I believe the talent is much ahead from the 2022 group. Compared to the Vikings playoff starters, this is where I think today stands.
Daniel Jones =
Saquon Barkley -
Isaiah Hodgins +
Darius Slayton =
Richie James +
Daniel Bellinger -
Nick Gates +
Andrew Thomas =
Evan Neal +
Mark Glowinski =
Jon Feliciano =
Leonard Williams -
Dexter Lawrence =
Azeez Ojulari +
Kayvon Thibodeaux
Jaylon Smith +
Jarrad Davis =
Adoree' Jackson
Darnay Holmes +
Julian Love -
Xavier McKinney -
Fabian Moreau +
if you think Schoen is scapegoating Daboll and Daboll didn't sign off on Jones you're an idiot. Sorry, that's harsh but pay attention to how teams operate. The HC has a shit load of influence and power. They literally build the roster along with the GM who is doing GM things.
How the hell could anyone sit here and think that Daboll didn't want Jones???? If anything, one could actually speculate that Schoen DIDN'T really want to keep Jones and Daboll pushed for it. HCs don't get saddled with a QB they don't want for 2-3 years running...very rare if it happens. And you'd know about it by now because the HC would have benched the QB or leaked shit to the press.
Think.
Yes, I do believe Daboll was up for bringing Jones back in 2023 and attempting the next phase without training wheels. He's got an ego and probably thought it was worth the stretch.
But Schoen drove the economics, not Daboll. Does Daboll at all strike you as someone who is remotely interested in the contract/cap/cash details?
RE: the talent is better but the results are the same
so either the improved talent schoen added didnt fit strategically or he hired the wrong head coach who is leading underperformance.
the reporting that inspired this thread indicates that the latter continues to ebb closer to obviousness, and how could it not after the kicker fiasco?
i dont think it is too extreme to say that daboll's is staring into the abyss right now and if he cant scratch out a win and some competitive football in the next 6 days, it may all come crashing down. once players lose belief the bottom drops.
Or there's a bottleneck elsewhere on the roster that impedes the otherwise improved talent from translating to wins.
My guess is that Schoen and Dabs were on the same page with the Jones deal and Dabs thought he could make Jones reach another level & probably realized that wasn’t happening after the pick six vs. Seattle. And I think Dabs, in his heart, knows Jones isn’t going to get him fired.
so either the improved talent schoen added didnt fit strategically or he hired the wrong head coach who is leading underperformance.
the reporting that inspired this thread indicates that the latter continues to ebb closer to obviousness, and how could it not after the kicker fiasco?
i dont think it is too extreme to say that daboll's is staring into the abyss right now and if he cant scratch out a win and some competitive football in the next 6 days, it may all come crashing down. once players lose belief the bottom drops.
Or there's a bottleneck elsewhere on the roster that impedes the otherwise improved talent from translating to wins.
weird argument to make a few days after said bottleneck made the plays to win but slayton dropped a 2 pt conversion, nabers drops 4th down pass, singletary fumbles in fg range, coach/gm leave at least 6 more points on the field not having a kicker (or defense).
leaderships entire job is "translating to wins", certainly by year 3 - excusing that bc of a bottleneck they chose and chose not to draft over after losing to a team whose leadership is in game 2 and whose own rookie bottleneck didnt even score a td is some next level pretzel twisting. there's a reason no other team in almost 40 years has lost when scoring 3 tds against the opponents 0.
lol. it's scary how much people are refusing to see clearly how bad this situation is. it is really 2021 all over again, right down to losing on a kick to washington week 2.
after week 1 this organization was given the easiest test possible to show that something was different from 2021. sure you got beat down at home by darnold just as embarrassingly pat shurmur/bridgewater, but there's no way you can lose in washington on a last second kick in a game you deserve to win again can you? challenge accepted!
week 3 in 2021 was the atlanta loss at home as time expired and i believe joe judge's first infamous "it's gonna be ok" press conference. with dallas looming on Thursday the next 6 days are probably going to determine where coach daboll's kids go to school next year.
RE: RE: Is the talent better? Where is the evidence?
This regime started off 7-2 with the talent that existed already. They are subsequently 9-19-1 since
They inherited a top 5 draft choice and soon to be expiring contracts on Jones & Saquon that could have created alot of cap space
The best players here are still Andrew Thomas and Dexter Lawrence.
The received extra draft picks for Leonard Williams & Kadarius Toney. They for some reason chose not to trade Saquon Barkley or Xavier McKinney at 1-5 last year for even more picks
It’s definitely better. If they had competent QB play I think there’s enough talent to be an 8-9 win team as a ceiling.
With an actual, real, good NFL QB, this could easily be a playoff team. Setting aside QB, the main weakness seems to be stopping the run, but I'm hopeful that could be fixed.
LOL right? Diminishing confidence in leadership is a journey. And in my experience there are a couple of common variables:
- the broader group feels the wrong individuals are being rewarded or utilized
- the broader group is not aware of or in agreement with the strategies
- the broader group does not believe leadership actually has or can execute a cogent strategy
When those symptoms start to arise, it becomes an exercise in self-fulfilling identification of corroborating evidence.
There is typically no incentive for individuals to express there feelings outside of safe spaces. That some individuals are apparently stepping outside of those spaces isn't a reflection of what's transpired over 2 weeks.
RE: RE: RE: the talent is better but the results are the same
so either the improved talent schoen added didnt fit strategically or he hired the wrong head coach who is leading underperformance.
the reporting that inspired this thread indicates that the latter continues to ebb closer to obviousness, and how could it not after the kicker fiasco?
i dont think it is too extreme to say that daboll's is staring into the abyss right now and if he cant scratch out a win and some competitive football in the next 6 days, it may all come crashing down. once players lose belief the bottom drops.
Or there's a bottleneck elsewhere on the roster that impedes the otherwise improved talent from translating to wins.
weird argument to make a few days after said bottleneck made the plays to win but slayton dropped a 2 pt conversion, nabers drops 4th down pass, singletary fumbles in fg range, coach/gm leave at least 6 more points on the field not having a kicker (or defense).
leaderships entire job is "translating to wins", certainly by year 3 - excusing that bc of a bottleneck they chose and chose not to draft over after losing to a team whose leadership is in game 2 and whose own rookie bottleneck didnt even score a td is some next level pretzel twisting. there's a reason no other team in almost 40 years has lost when scoring 3 tds against the opponents 0.
I'm not defending Daboll.
I'm just saying that it's difficult to get a sense of how much the roster has improved when the QB situation remains a WIP. If that's too difficult to process without calling it "next level pretzel twisting," I can only assume that you have never actually seen a pretzel.
Maybe week 2 was a final straw for some player(s), but I doubt losing a game they should have won on a less second field goal took anyone from neutral on their boss, to speaking to the press.
My guess is that player(s) has witnessed the last 20 games, and reflects on things like:
- Opponents openly mocking the Giants
- Players like Daniel Jones being rewarded at many multiples of better pound-for-pound players that have left
- Developing strategies that have major fatal flaws, for instance one playable IDL on the roster
- Yes, the abject lunacy of having Gano participate in kick coverage
I'm just saying that it's difficult to get a sense of how much the roster has improved when the QB situation remains a WIP. If that's too difficult to process without calling it "next level pretzel twisting," I can only assume that you have never actually seen a pretzel.
it's not hard to assess that the OL is already much better than anything we've seen in years (maybe a decade) and Nabers is the best offensive player they've had since rookie year barkley/odell who were both all pro level ROYs.
the defense is what has been difficult to assess (or rather way too easy to assess poorly) yet burns/lawrence are the only multiple time pro bowlers on the roster and their 2 highest paid non-QBs. and somehow this D is struggling despite the back drop of poor opponent quality and leaguewide scoring down so much people are talking about rules to prevent 2 high safeties bc they are unfair for offenses. if only.
lol. it's scary how much people are refusing to see clearly how bad this situation is. it is really 2021 all over again, right down to losing on a kick to washington week 2.
after week 1 this organization was given the easiest test possible to show that something was different from 2021. sure you got beat down at home by darnold just as embarrassingly pat shurmur/bridgewater, but there's no way you can lose in washington on a last second kick in a game you deserve to win again can you? challenge accepted!
week 3 in 2021 was the atlanta loss at home as time expired and i believe joe judge's first infamous "it's gonna be ok" press conference. with dallas looming on Thursday the next 6 days are probably going to determine where coach daboll's kids go to school next year.
If this is 2021, there will be an improbable win to give brief, false confidence sometime soon. (Comeback win at NO in OT)
If this is 2021, there will be an improbable win to give brief, false confidence sometime soon. (Comeback win at NO in OT)
possibly - if that happens i could see it being this week since browns offense shouldnt be very good. watson stinks and fresh distraction, no chubb, etc. jameis was the NO qb in that game and its not impossible he ends up the browns qb before long too.
if the offense can put points up it's a winnable game.
and of course the game right after NO was Dallas lol.
and actually sean not to go down too deep a rabbit hole...
but looking back at the 2021 schedule im reminded that in week 12 somehow joe judge/daniel jones beat nick siriani/jalen hurts to move to 4-7 while philly moved to 5-7. which was probably the high point of that season.
jones was done after that game but before we knew that there was a glimmer of possibility i guess. if they'd been 6-5 when jones was healthy having just not blown the games vs wash/atl joe judge probably gets his year 3.
if they go 4-5 in the next 9 with a win over philly or dallas this year that would seem a minor miracle. and even that only gets to the bar of where joe judge was in week 12 of 2021.
lol. it's scary how much people are refusing to see clearly how bad this situation is. it is really 2021 all over again, right down to losing on a kick to washington week 2.
after week 1 this organization was given the easiest test possible to show that something was different from 2021. sure you got beat down at home by darnold just as embarrassingly pat shurmur/bridgewater, but there's no way you can lose in washington on a last second kick in a game you deserve to win again can you? challenge accepted!
week 3 in 2021 was the atlanta loss at home as time expired and i believe joe judge's first infamous "it's gonna be ok" press conference. with dallas looming on Thursday the next 6 days are probably going to determine where coach daboll's kids go to school next year.
I think NFL seasons are super fragile. Early season success, especially for a team like the Giants who has middling talent (at best), is crucial. Guys start to make business decisions at 0-2 or 0-3, blame starts being allocated, etc.
It feels like it's all going to implode and the schedule is going to start getting tougher.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: the talent is better but the results are the same
I'm just saying that it's difficult to get a sense of how much the roster has improved when the QB situation remains a WIP. If that's too difficult to process without calling it "next level pretzel twisting," I can only assume that you have never actually seen a pretzel.
it's not hard to assess that the OL is already much better than anything we've seen in years (maybe a decade) and Nabers is the best offensive player they've had since rookie year barkley/odell who were both all pro level ROYs.
the defense is what has been difficult to assess (or rather way too easy to assess poorly) yet burns/lawrence are the only multiple time pro bowlers on the roster and their 2 highest paid non-QBs. and somehow this D is struggling despite the back drop of poor opponent quality and leaguewide scoring down so much people are talking about rules to prevent 2 high safeties bc they are unfair for offenses. if only.
The offense has scored 24 points in two games, despite an improved OL and the addition of what appears to be a potential game-changing WR1. I'm not ready to call that a win just yet, looking at the offense holistically rather than just the parts that do appear to be improved (i.e., Are the RBs better? Are the TEs better? Is there enough OL depth to survive an entire season without a 5-alarm fire again? Is the WR position in general the sort of assortment that allows for the offense to operate the way that Daboll wants? Is the way that Daboll wants the offense to operate even any good? Etc, etc.)
RE: and actually sean not to go down too deep a rabbit hole...
but looking back at the 2021 schedule im reminded that in week 12 somehow joe judge/daniel jones beat nick siriani/jalen hurts to move to 4-7 while philly moved to 5-7. which was probably the high point of that season.
jones was done after that game but before we knew that there was a glimmer of possibility i guess. if they'd been 6-5 when jones was healthy having just not blown the games vs wash/atl joe judge probably gets his year 3.
if they go 4-5 in the next 9 with a win over philly or dallas this year that would seem a minor miracle. and even that only gets to the bar of where joe judge was in week 12 of 2021.
Yep. A few times it felt like they may have stabilized that season. Beat Carolina to get to 2-5 and really could have won in KC on that Monday night game. Beat LV to get to 3-6. Beat Philly to get to 4-7.
Another similar twist is the QB situation behind Jones. NYG was stuck playing Glennon and Fromm. NYG criticized for not having anyone better than Lock and DeVito this year.
At 4-7 that year I did not think Judge was getting fired. I'm sure Judge was upset he got canned considering he was stuck paying Glennon and Fromm down the stretch.
Daboll will need a moment where it feels like he stabilized the season. I think it has to come Sunday because I just hate that matchup against Dallas on a short week even with the OL playing better.
It's why I think a mid season firing is not out of the question. Imagine if NYG is 0-6 and Barkley is shredding the Shane Bowen defense for 125 yards and 3 TD's. Schoen and Daboll could very well be fired on the morning of 10/21. If you think it's crazy, it happened with LV last year.
I think NFL seasons are super fragile. Early season success, especially for a team like the Giants who has middling talent (at best), is crucial. Guys start to make business decisions at 0-2 or 0-3, blame starts being allocated, etc.
It feels like it's all going to implode and the schedule is going to start getting tougher.
the fragile thing is exactly right - live shot of them week 2 deciding on kicker situation:
it can flip the other way quickly too, this place will be lit up 6 days from now if they are some how 2-2 myself included, but statistically the odds they end up there are easily in the +1000 range. that's where this regime is, they need to pull a rabbit out of a hat or else it's curtains. hoping for best but expecting the worst.
RE: RE: and actually sean not to go down too deep a rabbit hole...
but looking back at the 2021 schedule im reminded that in week 12 somehow joe judge/daniel jones beat nick siriani/jalen hurts to move to 4-7 while philly moved to 5-7. which was probably the high point of that season.
jones was done after that game but before we knew that there was a glimmer of possibility i guess. if they'd been 6-5 when jones was healthy having just not blown the games vs wash/atl joe judge probably gets his year 3.
if they go 4-5 in the next 9 with a win over philly or dallas this year that would seem a minor miracle. and even that only gets to the bar of where joe judge was in week 12 of 2021.
Yep. A few times it felt like they may have stabilized that season. Beat Carolina to get to 2-5 and really could have won in KC on that Monday night game. Beat LV to get to 3-6. Beat Philly to get to 4-7.
Another similar twist is the QB situation behind Jones. NYG was stuck playing Glennon and Fromm. NYG criticized for not having anyone better than Lock and DeVito this year.
At 4-7 that year I did not think Judge was getting fired. I'm sure Judge was upset he got canned considering he was stuck paying Glennon and Fromm down the stretch.
Daboll will need a moment where it feels like he stabilized the season. I think it has to come Sunday because I just hate that matchup against Dallas on a short week even with the OL playing better.
It's why I think a mid season firing is not out of the question. Imagine if NYG is 0-6 and Barkley is shredding the Shane Bowen defense for 125 yards and 3 TD's. Schoen and Daboll could very well be fired on the morning of 10/21. If you think it's crazy, it happened with LV last year.
id forgotten about that KC loss. ximines jump offsides on the love int is up there with our most disappointing losses in the last decade.
the big thing this year that's different is the looming presence of belichick, and all the interconnections of him and the giants org. daboll worked for him. bricillo worked for him. shane bowen came from his system (pees, vrabel).
there's no way mara isnt experiencing all the same ptsd we are. what we see on sundays he's living front row in person every day. if i were in his shoes there is no way id be able to resist calling belichick and giving him whatever he wanted to come in and figure it out.
I've said it before but it bears repeating... With what this team has had and endured over the first two seasons, Daboll has overachieved on any realistic expectations.
The only thing missing is their choice at QB. Mara would be wise to allow them another season to acquire that guy.
Okay, I'm actually with you on Daboll. He has overachieved with this roster.
And while I wanted them to lose every game after Halloween last year, he has shown good management keeping the team competitive with a putrid QB room.
The criticism about some of his in-game decisions are valid.
But I disagree that they don't have the QB of their choice. They re-committed to him on March 7th, 2023.
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Who are in the locker room can’t see the vibe of the players?
you mean like Pat Leonard saying Nabers was pissed off and his injurybwas worse than they said?
Problem is no one trusts the best writers, Dunleavy is a troll, Leonard makes up shit to stir the pot and Ranaan knows everytime he makes a negative comment he is going tk get attention
Where did Leonard say that? Genuine question.
When he first reported it, said Nabers was acting different and seemed angry at his locker, even lied about people asming if he was ok
It doesn’t say it was worse and Nabers probably was upset about getting hurt. I don’t see the issue, and this is coming from a Leonard hater for how he treated Odell
How the hell could anyone sit here and think that Daboll didn't want Jones???? If anything, one could actually speculate that Schoen DIDN'T really want to keep Jones and Daboll pushed for it. HCs don't get saddled with a QB they don't want for 2-3 years running...very rare if it happens. And you'd know about it by now because the HC would have benched the QB or leaked shit to the press.
Think.
"Can you work with him short term while we pick Nabers? NE wants to stripmine us for draft picks. "
"yeah, we can make it work, Joe." and "yeah, lock him up, i love the guy" are very different worlds of 'signing off'. Which one is more realistic?
You believe not being able to kick 3 PATs in a game we lost by 3 points had nothing to do with the outcome, but a guy dropping a pass at the 22 yard line in a time game when we couldn't kick a field goal did?
Your logic making thingy seems to be broken.
He's starting over Lock and DeVito. These players aren't better than him.
That's hard to say when you lose. Unprovable counterfactuals are the bread and butter of these discussions.
The erasure of Spécial Teams continues.
Who goes to the bosses office in front of the owners and sits there like Jabba the Hut with his feet on the table.
He looks like some lucky winner of "Visit the Giants facility for the day" contest winner.
Meh.
Ready for a new coach like Vrable or Bill or even Gruden....a pro's pro!
It is a mistake to compare NFL HC to any of our jobs.
Just as our image of any of the candidates is a curated look through a keyhole.
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if you think Schoen is scapegoating Daboll and Daboll didn't sign off on Jones you're an idiot. Sorry, that's harsh but pay attention to how teams operate. The HC has a shit load of influence and power. They literally build the roster along with the GM who is doing GM things.
How the hell could anyone sit here and think that Daboll didn't want Jones???? If anything, one could actually speculate that Schoen DIDN'T really want to keep Jones and Daboll pushed for it. HCs don't get saddled with a QB they don't want for 2-3 years running...very rare if it happens. And you'd know about it by now because the HC would have benched the QB or leaked shit to the press.
Think.
"Can you work with him short term while we pick Nabers? NE wants to stripmine us for draft picks. "
"yeah, we can make it work, Joe." and "yeah, lock him up, i love the guy" are very different worlds of 'signing off'. Which one is more realistic?
Exactly how much time do Schoen and Daboll think they have while all leading indicators for success are pointing the wrong way for them?
It's year 3 for these guys now and thing are not getting better.
We are nowhere at QB and they own it. No matter blaming the boogeyman Gettleman. Daboll had a very public falling out with one of his coordinators. His staff hires look questionable, including his new D coordinator who hasn't been able to stop a runny nose in 2 games. His judgement/decision making is looking worse and worse each week. There are many examples now.
If someone asked what Schoen and Daboll are building towards, what exactly is the answer? Because I have no idea. They spew this smart, tough and dependable but don't even follow it! Do players like Jones, Waller, Tyrod Taylor or Parris Campbell check those boxes?
The hard reality is this young man who has been the best wherever he has been is a 3rd round pick behind a veteran.
If you wish to use college terms, he got recruited over. The rookie is starting.
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if you think Schoen is scapegoating Daboll and Daboll didn't sign off on Jones you're an idiot. Sorry, that's harsh but pay attention to how teams operate. The HC has a shit load of influence and power. They literally build the roster along with the GM who is doing GM things.
How the hell could anyone sit here and think that Daboll didn't want Jones???? If anything, one could actually speculate that Schoen DIDN'T really want to keep Jones and Daboll pushed for it. HCs don't get saddled with a QB they don't want for 2-3 years running...very rare if it happens. And you'd know about it by now because the HC would have benched the QB or leaked shit to the press.
Think.
"Can you work with him short term while we pick Nabers? NE wants to stripmine us for draft picks. "
"yeah, we can make it work, Joe." and "yeah, lock him up, i love the guy" are very different worlds of 'signing off'. Which one is more realistic?
Exactly how much time do Schoen and Daboll think they have while all leading indicators for success are pointing the wrong way for them?
It's year 3 for these guys now and thing are not getting better.
We are nowhere at QB and they own it. No matter blaming the boogeyman Gettleman. Daboll had a very public falling out with one of his coordinators. His staff hires look questionable, including his new D coordinator who hasn't been able to stop a runny nose in 2 games. His judgement/decision making is looking worse and worse each week. There are many examples now.
If someone asked what Schoen and Daboll are building towards, what exactly is the answer? Because I have no idea. They spew this smart, tough and dependable but don't even follow it! Do players like Jones, Waller, Tyrod Taylor or Parris Campbell check those boxes?
Is the OL better?
Is the Wr room better?
Is the DL better?
Is the LBs better?
Is the secondary better?
So really the only thing you have to blame on Schoen is the QB and rightfully so, they messed up but you keep acting like they havnt improved the team from when they took over
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if you think Schoen is scapegoating Daboll and Daboll didn't sign off on Jones you're an idiot. Sorry, that's harsh but pay attention to how teams operate. The HC has a shit load of influence and power. They literally build the roster along with the GM who is doing GM things.
How the hell could anyone sit here and think that Daboll didn't want Jones???? If anything, one could actually speculate that Schoen DIDN'T really want to keep Jones and Daboll pushed for it. HCs don't get saddled with a QB they don't want for 2-3 years running...very rare if it happens. And you'd know about it by now because the HC would have benched the QB or leaked shit to the press.
Think.
"Can you work with him short term while we pick Nabers? NE wants to stripmine us for draft picks. "
"yeah, we can make it work, Joe." and "yeah, lock him up, i love the guy" are very different worlds of 'signing off'. Which one is more realistic?
Exactly how much time do Schoen and Daboll think they have while all leading indicators for success are pointing the wrong way for them?
It's year 3 for these guys now and thing are not getting better.
We are nowhere at QB and they own it. No matter blaming the boogeyman Gettleman. Daboll had a very public falling out with one of his coordinators. His staff hires look questionable, including his new D coordinator who hasn't been able to stop a runny nose in 2 games. His judgement/decision making is looking worse and worse each week. There are many examples now.
If someone asked what Schoen and Daboll are building towards, what exactly is the answer? Because I have no idea. They spew this smart, tough and dependable but don't even follow it! Do players like Jones, Waller, Tyrod Taylor or Parris Campbell check those boxes?
Is the OL better?
Is the Wr room better?
Is the DL better?
Is the LBs better?
Is the secondary better?
So really the only thing you have to blame on Schoen is the QB and rightfully so, they messed up but you keep acting like they havnt improved the team from when they took over
Improved would be pretty easy with where we were. Actually being good is a different question. Also, very curious as to why the overall team is not any good if we are so improved in all of these areas.
I would love for you to be right and me to be wrong, but by the time November comes this team will be 2-6 or worse. You can write it down.
the reporting that inspired this thread indicates that the latter continues to ebb closer to obviousness, and how could it not after the kicker fiasco?
i dont think it is too extreme to say that daboll's is staring into the abyss right now and if he cant scratch out a win and some competitive football in the next 6 days, it may all come crashing down. once players lose belief the bottom drops.
He's starting over Lock and DeVito. These players aren't better than him.
You do understand that this is the exact reason many of us are fed up, right? There is simply no reason in the world that Jones should still be the best option on this team. It’s ridiculous that they didn’t upgrade the position with a better backup and I think it’s incredibly obvious it was because they didn’t WANT to upgrade the back up position so as to not put any more pressure on poor little Daniel. It’s infuriating
I no respect for a beat who enjoys stirring up trouble. That's what this is creating, probably made-up problems, for a team trying to stabilize the season. Screw off schmuck!!!
They inherited a top 5 draft choice and soon to be expiring contracts on Jones & Saquon that could have created alot of cap space
The best players here are still Andrew Thomas and Dexter Lawrence.
The received extra draft picks for Leonard Williams & Kadarius Toney. They for some reason chose not to trade Saquon Barkley or Xavier McKinney at 1-5 last year for even more picks
Not sure about being close to losing the team but I think at least some players are questioning the HC after how the first two games played out. Need some wins and if they get blown out a couple more times it could get ugly.
They inherited a top 5 draft choice and soon to be expiring contracts on Jones & Saquon that could have created alot of cap space
The best players here are still Andrew Thomas and Dexter Lawrence.
The received extra draft picks for Leonard Williams & Kadarius Toney. They for some reason chose not to trade Saquon Barkley or Xavier McKinney at 1-5 last year for even more picks
i mean they arent starting multiple veterans at the league minimum, many signed off the street week 2 like year 1.
by the end of year 1 i think they had somewhere between 5-10 starters from street FA/waiver claims and most werent even due to injuries (hodgins, jaylon smith, jarrad davis, mccloud, moureau, etc).
They inherited a top 5 draft choice and soon to be expiring contracts on Jones & Saquon that could have created alot of cap space
The best players here are still Andrew Thomas and Dexter Lawrence.
The received extra draft picks for Leonard Williams & Kadarius Toney. They for some reason chose not to trade Saquon Barkley or Xavier McKinney at 1-5 last year for even more picks
It’s definitely better. If they had competent QB play I think there’s enough talent to be an 8-9 win team as a ceiling.
Man… I miss the days of Jerry Izenberg at the Star Ledger.
Daniel Jones =
Saquon Barkley -
Isaiah Hodgins +
Darius Slayton =
Richie James +
Daniel Bellinger -
Nick Gates +
Andrew Thomas =
Evan Neal +
Mark Glowinski =
Jon Feliciano =
Leonard Williams -
Dexter Lawrence =
Azeez Ojulari +
Kayvon Thibodeaux
Jaylon Smith +
Jarrad Davis =
Adoree' Jackson
Darnay Holmes +
Julian Love -
Xavier McKinney -
Fabian Moreau +
How the hell could anyone sit here and think that Daboll didn't want Jones???? If anything, one could actually speculate that Schoen DIDN'T really want to keep Jones and Daboll pushed for it. HCs don't get saddled with a QB they don't want for 2-3 years running...very rare if it happens. And you'd know about it by now because the HC would have benched the QB or leaked shit to the press.
Think.
Yes, I do believe Daboll was up for bringing Jones back in 2023 and attempting the next phase without training wheels. He's got an ego and probably thought it was worth the stretch.
But Schoen drove the economics, not Daboll. Does Daboll at all strike you as someone who is remotely interested in the contract/cap/cash details?
the reporting that inspired this thread indicates that the latter continues to ebb closer to obviousness, and how could it not after the kicker fiasco?
i dont think it is too extreme to say that daboll's is staring into the abyss right now and if he cant scratch out a win and some competitive football in the next 6 days, it may all come crashing down. once players lose belief the bottom drops.
Or there's a bottleneck elsewhere on the roster that impedes the otherwise improved talent from translating to wins.
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so either the improved talent schoen added didnt fit strategically or he hired the wrong head coach who is leading underperformance.
the reporting that inspired this thread indicates that the latter continues to ebb closer to obviousness, and how could it not after the kicker fiasco?
i dont think it is too extreme to say that daboll's is staring into the abyss right now and if he cant scratch out a win and some competitive football in the next 6 days, it may all come crashing down. once players lose belief the bottom drops.
Or there's a bottleneck elsewhere on the roster that impedes the otherwise improved talent from translating to wins.
weird argument to make a few days after said bottleneck made the plays to win but slayton dropped a 2 pt conversion, nabers drops 4th down pass, singletary fumbles in fg range, coach/gm leave at least 6 more points on the field not having a kicker (or defense).
leaderships entire job is "translating to wins", certainly by year 3 - excusing that bc of a bottleneck they chose and chose not to draft over after losing to a team whose leadership is in game 2 and whose own rookie bottleneck didnt even score a td is some next level pretzel twisting. there's a reason no other team in almost 40 years has lost when scoring 3 tds against the opponents 0.
lol. it's scary how much people are refusing to see clearly how bad this situation is. it is really 2021 all over again, right down to losing on a kick to washington week 2.
after week 1 this organization was given the easiest test possible to show that something was different from 2021. sure you got beat down at home by darnold just as embarrassingly pat shurmur/bridgewater, but there's no way you can lose in washington on a last second kick in a game you deserve to win again can you? challenge accepted!
week 3 in 2021 was the atlanta loss at home as time expired and i believe joe judge's first infamous "it's gonna be ok" press conference. with dallas looming on Thursday the next 6 days are probably going to determine where coach daboll's kids go to school next year.
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This regime started off 7-2 with the talent that existed already. They are subsequently 9-19-1 since
They inherited a top 5 draft choice and soon to be expiring contracts on Jones & Saquon that could have created alot of cap space
The best players here are still Andrew Thomas and Dexter Lawrence.
The received extra draft picks for Leonard Williams & Kadarius Toney. They for some reason chose not to trade Saquon Barkley or Xavier McKinney at 1-5 last year for even more picks
It’s definitely better. If they had competent QB play I think there’s enough talent to be an 8-9 win team as a ceiling.
With an actual, real, good NFL QB, this could easily be a playoff team. Setting aside QB, the main weakness seems to be stopping the run, but I'm hopeful that could be fixed.
LOL right? Diminishing confidence in leadership is a journey. And in my experience there are a couple of common variables:
- the broader group feels the wrong individuals are being rewarded or utilized
- the broader group is not aware of or in agreement with the strategies
- the broader group does not believe leadership actually has or can execute a cogent strategy
When those symptoms start to arise, it becomes an exercise in self-fulfilling identification of corroborating evidence.
There is typically no incentive for individuals to express there feelings outside of safe spaces. That some individuals are apparently stepping outside of those spaces isn't a reflection of what's transpired over 2 weeks.
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so either the improved talent schoen added didnt fit strategically or he hired the wrong head coach who is leading underperformance.
the reporting that inspired this thread indicates that the latter continues to ebb closer to obviousness, and how could it not after the kicker fiasco?
i dont think it is too extreme to say that daboll's is staring into the abyss right now and if he cant scratch out a win and some competitive football in the next 6 days, it may all come crashing down. once players lose belief the bottom drops.
Or there's a bottleneck elsewhere on the roster that impedes the otherwise improved talent from translating to wins.
weird argument to make a few days after said bottleneck made the plays to win but slayton dropped a 2 pt conversion, nabers drops 4th down pass, singletary fumbles in fg range, coach/gm leave at least 6 more points on the field not having a kicker (or defense).
leaderships entire job is "translating to wins", certainly by year 3 - excusing that bc of a bottleneck they chose and chose not to draft over after losing to a team whose leadership is in game 2 and whose own rookie bottleneck didnt even score a td is some next level pretzel twisting. there's a reason no other team in almost 40 years has lost when scoring 3 tds against the opponents 0.
I'm not defending Daboll.
I'm just saying that it's difficult to get a sense of how much the roster has improved when the QB situation remains a WIP. If that's too difficult to process without calling it "next level pretzel twisting," I can only assume that you have never actually seen a pretzel.
My guess is that player(s) has witnessed the last 20 games, and reflects on things like:
- Opponents openly mocking the Giants
- Players like Daniel Jones being rewarded at many multiples of better pound-for-pound players that have left
- Developing strategies that have major fatal flaws, for instance one playable IDL on the roster
- Yes, the abject lunacy of having Gano participate in kick coverage
I'm not defending Daboll.
I'm just saying that it's difficult to get a sense of how much the roster has improved when the QB situation remains a WIP. If that's too difficult to process without calling it "next level pretzel twisting," I can only assume that you have never actually seen a pretzel.
it's not hard to assess that the OL is already much better than anything we've seen in years (maybe a decade) and Nabers is the best offensive player they've had since rookie year barkley/odell who were both all pro level ROYs.
the defense is what has been difficult to assess (or rather way too easy to assess poorly) yet burns/lawrence are the only multiple time pro bowlers on the roster and their 2 highest paid non-QBs. and somehow this D is struggling despite the back drop of poor opponent quality and leaguewide scoring down so much people are talking about rules to prevent 2 high safeties bc they are unfair for offenses. if only.
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So he had the team during the Vikings game?
lol. it's scary how much people are refusing to see clearly how bad this situation is. it is really 2021 all over again, right down to losing on a kick to washington week 2.
after week 1 this organization was given the easiest test possible to show that something was different from 2021. sure you got beat down at home by darnold just as embarrassingly pat shurmur/bridgewater, but there's no way you can lose in washington on a last second kick in a game you deserve to win again can you? challenge accepted!
week 3 in 2021 was the atlanta loss at home as time expired and i believe joe judge's first infamous "it's gonna be ok" press conference. with dallas looming on Thursday the next 6 days are probably going to determine where coach daboll's kids go to school next year.
If this is 2021, there will be an improbable win to give brief, false confidence sometime soon. (Comeback win at NO in OT)
If this is 2021, there will be an improbable win to give brief, false confidence sometime soon. (Comeback win at NO in OT)
possibly - if that happens i could see it being this week since browns offense shouldnt be very good. watson stinks and fresh distraction, no chubb, etc. jameis was the NO qb in that game and its not impossible he ends up the browns qb before long too.
if the offense can put points up it's a winnable game.
and of course the game right after NO was Dallas lol.
jones was done after that game but before we knew that there was a glimmer of possibility i guess. if they'd been 6-5 when jones was healthy having just not blown the games vs wash/atl joe judge probably gets his year 3.
if they go 4-5 in the next 9 with a win over philly or dallas this year that would seem a minor miracle. and even that only gets to the bar of where joe judge was in week 12 of 2021.
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So he had the team during the Vikings game?
lol. it's scary how much people are refusing to see clearly how bad this situation is. it is really 2021 all over again, right down to losing on a kick to washington week 2.
after week 1 this organization was given the easiest test possible to show that something was different from 2021. sure you got beat down at home by darnold just as embarrassingly pat shurmur/bridgewater, but there's no way you can lose in washington on a last second kick in a game you deserve to win again can you? challenge accepted!
week 3 in 2021 was the atlanta loss at home as time expired and i believe joe judge's first infamous "it's gonna be ok" press conference. with dallas looming on Thursday the next 6 days are probably going to determine where coach daboll's kids go to school next year.
I think NFL seasons are super fragile. Early season success, especially for a team like the Giants who has middling talent (at best), is crucial. Guys start to make business decisions at 0-2 or 0-3, blame starts being allocated, etc.
It feels like it's all going to implode and the schedule is going to start getting tougher.
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I'm not defending Daboll.
I'm just saying that it's difficult to get a sense of how much the roster has improved when the QB situation remains a WIP. If that's too difficult to process without calling it "next level pretzel twisting," I can only assume that you have never actually seen a pretzel.
it's not hard to assess that the OL is already much better than anything we've seen in years (maybe a decade) and Nabers is the best offensive player they've had since rookie year barkley/odell who were both all pro level ROYs.
the defense is what has been difficult to assess (or rather way too easy to assess poorly) yet burns/lawrence are the only multiple time pro bowlers on the roster and their 2 highest paid non-QBs. and somehow this D is struggling despite the back drop of poor opponent quality and leaguewide scoring down so much people are talking about rules to prevent 2 high safeties bc they are unfair for offenses. if only.
The offense has scored 24 points in two games, despite an improved OL and the addition of what appears to be a potential game-changing WR1. I'm not ready to call that a win just yet, looking at the offense holistically rather than just the parts that do appear to be improved (i.e., Are the RBs better? Are the TEs better? Is there enough OL depth to survive an entire season without a 5-alarm fire again? Is the WR position in general the sort of assortment that allows for the offense to operate the way that Daboll wants? Is the way that Daboll wants the offense to operate even any good? Etc, etc.)
jones was done after that game but before we knew that there was a glimmer of possibility i guess. if they'd been 6-5 when jones was healthy having just not blown the games vs wash/atl joe judge probably gets his year 3.
if they go 4-5 in the next 9 with a win over philly or dallas this year that would seem a minor miracle. and even that only gets to the bar of where joe judge was in week 12 of 2021.
Yep. A few times it felt like they may have stabilized that season. Beat Carolina to get to 2-5 and really could have won in KC on that Monday night game. Beat LV to get to 3-6. Beat Philly to get to 4-7.
Another similar twist is the QB situation behind Jones. NYG was stuck playing Glennon and Fromm. NYG criticized for not having anyone better than Lock and DeVito this year.
At 4-7 that year I did not think Judge was getting fired. I'm sure Judge was upset he got canned considering he was stuck paying Glennon and Fromm down the stretch.
Daboll will need a moment where it feels like he stabilized the season. I think it has to come Sunday because I just hate that matchup against Dallas on a short week even with the OL playing better.
It's why I think a mid season firing is not out of the question. Imagine if NYG is 0-6 and Barkley is shredding the Shane Bowen defense for 125 yards and 3 TD's. Schoen and Daboll could very well be fired on the morning of 10/21. If you think it's crazy, it happened with LV last year.
Like someone said above - they aren't above criticism in the way they have played on the field.
This whole things to me sounds like the players already putting an excuse out there.
Not a good sign.
I think NFL seasons are super fragile. Early season success, especially for a team like the Giants who has middling talent (at best), is crucial. Guys start to make business decisions at 0-2 or 0-3, blame starts being allocated, etc.
It feels like it's all going to implode and the schedule is going to start getting tougher.
the fragile thing is exactly right - live shot of them week 2 deciding on kicker situation:
it can flip the other way quickly too, this place will be lit up 6 days from now if they are some how 2-2 myself included, but statistically the odds they end up there are easily in the +1000 range. that's where this regime is, they need to pull a rabbit out of a hat or else it's curtains. hoping for best but expecting the worst.
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but looking back at the 2021 schedule im reminded that in week 12 somehow joe judge/daniel jones beat nick siriani/jalen hurts to move to 4-7 while philly moved to 5-7. which was probably the high point of that season.
jones was done after that game but before we knew that there was a glimmer of possibility i guess. if they'd been 6-5 when jones was healthy having just not blown the games vs wash/atl joe judge probably gets his year 3.
if they go 4-5 in the next 9 with a win over philly or dallas this year that would seem a minor miracle. and even that only gets to the bar of where joe judge was in week 12 of 2021.
Yep. A few times it felt like they may have stabilized that season. Beat Carolina to get to 2-5 and really could have won in KC on that Monday night game. Beat LV to get to 3-6. Beat Philly to get to 4-7.
Another similar twist is the QB situation behind Jones. NYG was stuck playing Glennon and Fromm. NYG criticized for not having anyone better than Lock and DeVito this year.
At 4-7 that year I did not think Judge was getting fired. I'm sure Judge was upset he got canned considering he was stuck paying Glennon and Fromm down the stretch.
Daboll will need a moment where it feels like he stabilized the season. I think it has to come Sunday because I just hate that matchup against Dallas on a short week even with the OL playing better.
It's why I think a mid season firing is not out of the question. Imagine if NYG is 0-6 and Barkley is shredding the Shane Bowen defense for 125 yards and 3 TD's. Schoen and Daboll could very well be fired on the morning of 10/21. If you think it's crazy, it happened with LV last year.
id forgotten about that KC loss. ximines jump offsides on the love int is up there with our most disappointing losses in the last decade.
the big thing this year that's different is the looming presence of belichick, and all the interconnections of him and the giants org. daboll worked for him. bricillo worked for him. shane bowen came from his system (pees, vrabel).
there's no way mara isnt experiencing all the same ptsd we are. what we see on sundays he's living front row in person every day. if i were in his shoes there is no way id be able to resist calling belichick and giving him whatever he wanted to come in and figure it out.
Seriously. At what point do we consider banning discussion about anything this clown 'reports', going forward?
Fine line is good info vs. shit stirring.
I've said it before but it bears repeating... With what this team has had and endured over the first two seasons, Daboll has overachieved on any realistic expectations.
The only thing missing is their choice at QB. Mara would be wise to allow them another season to acquire that guy.
Okay, I'm actually with you on Daboll. He has overachieved with this roster.
And while I wanted them to lose every game after Halloween last year, he has shown good management keeping the team competitive with a putrid QB room.
The criticism about some of his in-game decisions are valid.
But I disagree that they don't have the QB of their choice. They re-committed to him on March 7th, 2023.