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Sean : 9/19/2024 10:12 pm
I linked the clip from twitter.
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tends to happen when you cost the team a win and dont own it  
Eric on Li : 9/19/2024 10:15 pm : link
if they dont somehow get this cleveland game, the vultures are going to be circling next thursday.
So is it a bunch of guys  
nygiants16 : 9/19/2024 10:16 pm : link
or just a handful? this sounds like he talked to 1 or 2 guys and they said well if we keep losing something can happen
The writing is starting  
jvm52106 : 9/19/2024 10:16 pm : link
To form on the wall and Bill B is looming larger and larger..
This thing is going to become an avalanche  
The_Boss : 9/19/2024 10:18 pm : link
As the losses mount over the next 6 weeks.
Whew  
Spider43 : 9/19/2024 10:21 pm : link
It took two games for him to revert back to his old self. Even I'm feeling bad for him. But I think he can still turn this around. Though when all is said and done, I think he'll just be exposed as a competent OC, overmatched as a HC.
Fine get rid of all of them  
Larry in Pencilvania : 9/19/2024 10:23 pm : link
Until they commit to someone with total control over football operations not named Mara and draft a real QB, there will be no rebuild. They will be a constant joke
I wonder if it’s any of the six players  
bceagle05 : 9/19/2024 10:23 pm : link
worth a damn on this team.
Keep in mind this is only at 0-2  
Chris684 : 9/19/2024 10:28 pm : link
We haven’t even played the big boys on our schedule yet. To quote Eastwood from Gran Torino “it’s gonna get fuckin ugly!”
He seems to be just saying if  
PatersonPlank : 9/19/2024 10:31 pm : link
if the Giants get to 0-4, or 2-6, it could happen.

I think its clickbait personally
RE: He seems to be just saying if  
Eric on Li : 9/19/2024 10:35 pm : link
In comment 16616357 PatersonPlank said:
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if the Giants get to 0-4, or 2-6, it could happen.

I think its clickbait personally


0-4 is probably the most likely landing spot exactly 7 days right from right now.
 
christian : 9/19/2024 10:35 pm : link
Whether it's ego or abdication, Daboll allowed himself to bring a knife to a gun fight at quarterback.

He has no margin for error anywhere else. That Commanders game is one they absolutely had to have. They put Jones in the perfect, harmless position.

You can't lose a game because you didn't protect your injured kicker.
RE: So is it a bunch of guys  
jhibb : 9/19/2024 10:36 pm : link
In comment 16616341 nygiants16 said:
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or just a handful? this sounds like he talked to 1 or 2 guys and they said well if we keep losing something can happen


Spoke to "a handful" and "some" of them said...

So yeah, maybe two.

And honestly, I can't believe any Giants player is actually opening up to this joke of a reporter like that. More likely he's just making stuff up.
so game 2 and he is losing the team  
stoneman : 9/19/2024 10:40 pm : link
really - lol I got a bridge in New York to sell
Are there actually people out there who think  
Chris684 : 9/19/2024 10:41 pm : link
We’re going to be 2-6 or better?

The first 8 games of this schedule were going to be walking a tight rope to survival with Daniel Jones and they’ve fallen after the first 2 steps. It’s curtains for this season guys.
If Mara decides to can Daboll  
The_Boss : 9/19/2024 10:44 pm : link
Schoen has to go with him. No half measures. We saw what that’s like.
This team with a rusty Jones  
kelly : 9/19/2024 10:48 pm : link
And new defense was not ready to start the season because they did not play enough in the preseason.

That is on Daboll along with the kicker.

He needs to smarten up quick or he will loose this team soon.
RE: Are there actually people out there who think  
Walker Gillette : 9/19/2024 10:50 pm : link
In comment 16616364 Chris684 said:
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We’re going to be 2-6 or better?

The first 8 games of this schedule were going to be walking a tight rope to survival with Daniel Jones and they’ve fallen after the first 2 steps. It’s curtains for this season guys.


Is driving cross country with you am alternative to spending a few years in prison? If so I bet few even consider it
RE: If Mara decides to can Daboll  
GiantTuff1 : 9/19/2024 10:56 pm : link
In comment 16616367 The_Boss said:
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Schoen has to go with him. No half measures. We saw what that’s like.

Agreed
I have said this  
jvm52106 : 9/19/2024 10:56 pm : link
In other threads and will say it again here:

There is one factor that could be a huge boost to Daboll and the Giants OR will be it's death knell and that is the rest of the East could be falling back to the pack.

Now, if the Giants can beat the Browns and turn around and beat the Boys then suddenly things look drastically different.

If however the Giants get trounce by the Browns and come back 4 days later and get beat handiky by the Boys it could be over (figuratively or Actually) for Daboll right there.

It is NOT out of the realm.of possibility that the Giants get some wins while others struggle and then the second half of the year becomes the real deal. But, a loss here and one more Thursday would end all those possibilities and basically start the countdown for another change.


So "X' do you think  
section125 : 9/19/2024 11:00 pm : link
if things don't go right Daboll can lose the team?

X: Well, yeah it is possible. Guys can get tired of losing.
The OL looks a hell of a lot better....  
Walker Gillette : 9/19/2024 11:05 pm : link
The rookies look very promising, there is talent on D and many people respect Eric's opinion and he said a very logical thing that it may take the D some time to get use to the system. I agree with JVM that two debacles coming up and the wheels likely fall off as there will be a very big lynch mob and maybe rightly so, but let's just see before all this doom and gloom is unleashed. I'm tired of all the clown show antics that seem to surround this team but the season is two weeks old!
If Daboll is dragged to the gallows...  
bw in dc : 9/19/2024 11:15 pm : link
the real architect of the team, Schoen, had better be right next to him in line.



And in related news...  
jnoble : 9/19/2024 11:16 pm : link
Certain beat reporters are desperate for material for articles and result to lazy clickbait
RE: The writing is starting  
shocktheworld : 9/19/2024 11:25 pm : link
In comment 16616342 jvm52106 said:
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To form on the wall and Bill B is looming larger and larger..


Can he please bring LT with him
......  
Route 9 : 9/19/2024 11:38 pm : link
Good. He's a pussy.

He lost me immediately when he decided to punt in the Eagles playoff game down 28-7 or whatever it was, early in the 4th quarter.
Who could blame them  
Go Terps : 9/19/2024 11:57 pm : link
Since the 6-2 smoke and mirrors act in 2022 the team has been bullshit.

The team stinks. Both of these jokers have to go.
Joe Schoen is just as much to blame as Brian Daboll;  
Dave in Hoboken : 12:08 am : link
if not more. Ship his ass out, too, please.
RE: And in related news...  
lono801 : 12:10 am : link
In comment 16616386 jnoble said:
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Certain beat reporters are desperate for material for articles and result to lazy clickbait


Exactly
Something I will never understand.  
barens : 12:31 am : link
Who the fuck cares if a player or players think he’s losing the team. If that’s being communicated by players, get rid of the players. Bunch of horseshit

RE: If Mara decides to can Daboll  
prdave73 : 1:10 am : link
In comment 16616367 The_Boss said:
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Schoen has to go with him. No half measures. We saw what that’s like.


Agree 100%

Schoen was not ready to be a GM.
RE: Who could blame them  
Route 9 : 1:33 am : link
In comment 16616398 Go Terps said:
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Since the 6-2 smoke and mirrors act in 2022 the team has been bullshit.

The team stinks. Both of these jokers have to go.


I think the Lions game that season showed what the team really was. You were shut down by the BBI lords if you dared to notice any problems with the Giants in that game.

It was nope, shut up and be grateful they played badly because they have sucked for so long.

Cute they made the playoffs and won a game but the next two games should've woken everyone up. The eagle playoff game and the 40-0 game.
This thread is horseshit  
allstarjim : 2:04 am : link
The mess inherited was insane.

Anyone who thought this season, which is and has clearly been, a rebuilding year, not to be confused with a potential playoff run, is equally insane.

You can't keep resetting the leadership and changing visions every 2-3 seasons and think this is going to be a sound strategy to building a winning program.

Success this year is not about the W-L record. It's about continuing to build a foundation you can capitalize on once you have a realistic opportunity to get a QB that can lead a winning team.

Schoen has just started getting this team's financial house in order, while bringing in young, competitive, dare I say elite talent, like Nabers, while locking up existing cornerstones such as Thomas, Lawrence, and now Burns.

This is a rebuild, and patience is required to see it through.

Cutting bait on the Schoen/Daboll era after 3 seasons, without a realistic opportunity to grab their choice of a franchise QB would be a setback to the organization, and a collosal mistake.

I've said it before but it bears repeating... With what this team has had and endured over the first two seasons, Daboll has overachieved on any realistic expectations.

The only thing missing is their choice at QB. Mara would be wise to allow them another season to acquire that guy.
RE: This thread is horseshit  
BleedBlue : 2:16 am : link
In comment 16616411 allstarjim said:
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The mess inherited was insane.

Anyone who thought this season, which is and has clearly been, a rebuilding year, not to be confused with a potential playoff run, is equally insane.

You can't keep resetting the leadership and changing visions every 2-3 seasons and think this is going to be a sound strategy to building a winning program.

Success this year is not about the W-L record. It's about continuing to build a foundation you can capitalize on once you have a realistic opportunity to get a QB that can lead a winning team.

Schoen has just started getting this team's financial house in order, while bringing in young, competitive, dare I say elite talent, like Nabers, while locking up existing cornerstones such as Thomas, Lawrence, and now Burns.

This is a rebuild, and patience is required to see it through.

Cutting bait on the Schoen/Daboll era after 3 seasons, without a realistic opportunity to grab their choice of a franchise QB would be a setback to the organization, and a collosal mistake.

I've said it before but it bears repeating... With what this team has had and endured over the first two seasons, Daboll has overachieved on any realistic expectations.

The only thing missing is their choice at QB. Mara would be wise to allow them another season to acquire that guy.


While I agree with you—- last week and the kicker thing cost us the game. Good coaches don’t make those fucking mistakes
At this point, I would probably keep Schoen if we let Daboll go  
BlackLight : 3:17 am : link
I think we've seen enough good from Schoen that he should keep his job. But a couple important caveats - if this season really spirals out of control than it may be hard to justify keeping him. And also, if Belichick returns, would he be inclined to work with a GM as his partner? For that matter, would Schoen want to remain in the fold knowing that Belichick would have major input into personnel decisions?
I wonder  
BigBlueCane : 4:20 am : link
who these players are...

are they the ones leftover from previous regimes or the Free agents who were brought in recently?
RE: I wonder  
bluefin : 5:02 am : link
In comment 16616414 BigBlueCane said:
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who these players are...

are they the ones leftover from previous regimes or the Free agents who were brought in recently?

Hyatt for one.
Raanan is a shit stirrer  
HBart : 5:21 am : link
But, these first 2 games have me seriously questioning the coaching, so I have to believe some of the players are also. If I'm a player who wants to win, works my ass off, does every thing the coaches ask (as Daboll oft says about players) and then my effort gets squandered by something like the Gano situation, I'm pretty unhappy.

It's all fair at this point; win, and the mistakes fade into the rear view. Otherwise things will unravel.

But I doubt it's close to that point. Again, Ranaan is a shit stirrer - and remember, be's an Eagles fan.
Writers Are Doing What Writers Do  
varco : 6:18 am : link
Look, a losing team is not interesting and people stop reading about it. Solution? Start a narrative which will generate "clicks". If that means hanging another "pelt" on the mantlepiece, so much the better. I've come to the conclusion that many writers are ghouls. The human cost of their bloodlust doesn't matter, as long as their column is read and they are admired. Not a nice business.

I don't doubt that some players don't take well to losing ---making it to the NFL means you are used to winning / dominating for most of your life, from Pop Warner through college. Losing is a new experience and you have to learn how to handle it. There is a danger, however, that losing may become an embedded part of the team culture. I get it, but after 2 games?

This team is very frustrating to root for. It does seem that when one component begins to improve (OL), another component blows up (D) or (ST).

I know I'm beginning to rant but writers love to kick people when they are down, especially if they don't like them or feel they (the writer) are losing "clicks".
RE: The writing is starting  
CTGiants : 6:51 am : link
In comment 16616342 jvm52106 said:
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To form on the wall and Bill B is looming larger and larger..


The Patriots draft picks rnd's 1 and 2 his last 5 years there are a big reason the Patriots are where they are today

2018
Isaiah Wynn – T
Sony Michel – RB

2019
N'Keal Harry – WR
Joejuan Williams – CB

2020
Kyle Dugger – S
Josh Uche – LB

2021
Mac Jones – QB
Christian Barmore – DT

2022
Cole Strange – G
Tyquan Thornton – WR

2023
Christian Gonzalez – CB
Keion White - DB
It's known that Mara puts coaches on the hot seat  
Jerry in_DC : 6:53 am : link
after a below .500 season. This is a pattern with plenty of evidence. Our 3 previous coaches were fired after or during their 2nd seasons.

Even though we have had below average, sometime well below average talent, Mara demands above average results in the short term. There is an environment of instability and a complete absence of future vision and strategic thought. We've seen the coaches implode early in their careers under these unrealistic demands. We've seen the team performance and the coaching performance decline substantially in their 2nd years.

Perhaps all these coaches just suck. It's a possibility. But I suspect that under these conditions, the next coach will be in the same situation in year 2 or 3 and we'll be back in this situation in 2026 or 2027. And the fans and media will all be railing on that guy too. And John and Tim and Chris will still be in their roles, using their media pals to keep a low profile, making sure everyone realizes that they have zero influence despite their titles and their presence in the building every day.

I don't really even care who the coach is this point. I think it's far more important to have the stability to have a long term vision, which creates the confidence to be yourself, own the role, and improve at your job. Its not like these guys are lazy. They don't need the Maras standing behind them telling them to work harder.
RE: RE: This thread is horseshit  
Giantsbigblue : 7:01 am : link
In comment 16616412 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 16616411 allstarjim said:


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The mess inherited was insane.

Anyone who thought this season, which is and has clearly been, a rebuilding year, not to be confused with a potential playoff run, is equally insane.

You can't keep resetting the leadership and changing visions every 2-3 seasons and think this is going to be a sound strategy to building a winning program.

Success this year is not about the W-L record. It's about continuing to build a foundation you can capitalize on once you have a realistic opportunity to get a QB that can lead a winning team.

Schoen has just started getting this team's financial house in order, while bringing in young, competitive, dare I say elite talent, like Nabers, while locking up existing cornerstones such as Thomas, Lawrence, and now Burns.

This is a rebuild, and patience is required to see it through.

Cutting bait on the Schoen/Daboll era after 3 seasons, without a realistic opportunity to grab their choice of a franchise QB would be a setback to the organization, and a collosal mistake.

I've said it before but it bears repeating... With what this team has had and endured over the first two seasons, Daboll has overachieved on any realistic expectations.

The only thing missing is their choice at QB. Mara would be wise to allow them another season to acquire that guy.



While I agree with you—- last week and the kicker thing cost us the game. Good coaches don’t make those fucking mistakes


Twice on top of it
RE: RE: The writing is starting  
jvm52106 : 7:01 am : link
In comment 16616429 CTGiants said:
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In comment 16616342 jvm52106 said:


Quote:


To form on the wall and Bill B is looming larger and larger..



The Patriots draft picks rnd's 1 and 2 his last 5 years there are a big reason the Patriots are where they are today

2018
Isaiah Wynn – T
Sony Michel – RB

2019
N'Keal Harry – WR
Joejuan Williams – CB

2020
Kyle Dugger – S
Josh Uche – LB

2021
Mac Jones – QB
Christian Barmore – DT

2022
Cole Strange – G
Tyquan Thornton – WR

2023
Christian Gonzalez – CB
Keion White - DB


No argument there but it changes nothing as far as Bill B in waiting and both his and Mata's interest in Bill being a Giant. I am not making a claim I want Bill B here just stating a pretty obvious Elephant in the room.
Btw- I 100% believe Hyatt  
jvm52106 : 7:03 am : link
Is one of the complainers. Something is going on there and LPG-dude hinted at such on X to Bobby Skinner. Something to the effect that there is more to the story on Hyatt's lack of usage.
RE: Who could blame them  
HardTruth : 7:23 am : link
In comment 16616398 Go Terps said:
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Since the 6-2 smoke and mirrors act in 2022 the team has been bullshit.

The team stinks. Both of these jokers have to go.


The Seattle game in 2022 exposed how to beat the scheme.

The Giants with Jones as starter are 4-13-1 since. Having beaten only the Vikings, Washington, Colts and Cards without Murray since.
RE: This thread is horseshit  
Chris684 : 7:34 am : link
In comment 16616411 allstarjim said:
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The mess inherited was insane.

Anyone who thought this season, which is and has clearly been, a rebuilding year, not to be confused with a potential playoff run, is equally insane.

You can't keep resetting the leadership and changing visions every 2-3 seasons and think this is going to be a sound strategy to building a winning program.

Success this year is not about the W-L record. It's about continuing to build a foundation you can capitalize on once you have a realistic opportunity to get a QB that can lead a winning team.

Schoen has just started getting this team's financial house in order, while bringing in young, competitive, dare I say elite talent, like Nabers, while locking up existing cornerstones such as Thomas, Lawrence, and now Burns.

This is a rebuild, and patience is required to see it through.

Cutting bait on the Schoen/Daboll era after 3 seasons, without a realistic opportunity to grab their choice of a franchise QB would be a setback to the organization, and a collosal mistake.

I've said it before but it bears repeating... With what this team has had and endured over the first two seasons, Daboll has overachieved on any realistic expectations.

The only thing missing is their choice at QB. Mara would be wise to allow them another season to acquire that guy.


A few things.

Rebuilds don’t take 3+ years in the NFL.

2 of the very few good players on this roster were brought in before Daboll and Schoen.

Why would Schoen and Daboll get another crack at QB when they made their decision on Jones already and then doubled down on him?

Finally, the team is not getting better or stabilized in any way. They’re getting worse.
...  
Year 3 of this regime & the best two dudes on the roster were ones they inherited from the previous GM.

Both Dabs & Schoen need to go. Of course-this being the Giants & this being Mara-he'll half ass it again & probably fire Dabs while retaining Schoen.
Why is this considered news at this point?  
joe48 : 7:43 am : link
Click bait material. This is for the BBI Drama Club.
People have no fricken patience  
nygiants16 : 7:45 am : link
its funny looking arojnd the league the good coaches and GMs all of them would of been fired if Giants fans had their way..
We've lost a lot of games  
Biteymax22 : 8:08 am : link
I don't care who the coach is, that only goes on so long before people start to ask questions. If the fans and media are asking them, its likely the team is too.

What's interesting is these reports came the week after the very questionable decision to trot out an injured kicker rather than call one up from the practice squad. Players see the same things we do.

I still think Daboll has the ability to be a good head coach, but if he doesn't get it together fast, he'll be gone at year end.
RE: People have no fricken patience  
Sean : 8:12 am : link
In comment 16616447 nygiants16 said:
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its funny looking arojnd the league the good coaches and GMs all of them would of been fired if Giants fans had their way..

This is t wrong. It's the problem NYG is in, the constant 2 year cycle.
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