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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/22/2024 4:01 pm
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RE: special teams is a disaster  
Burst Bubble 25 : 9/22/2024 4:17 pm : link
In comment 16619624 bigbluewillrise said:
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Gillian couldnt pin them once

K couldnt make a basic 47 yarder

Gray is not a PR nad hes not a PR, stop shoehorning him holy shit.

its costing them a lot.


If it's not clear at this point...Daboll doesn't give a shit about special teams ..that much is clear.
Jones played as well as he ever has in the first half  
Greg from LI : 9/22/2024 4:17 pm : link
But, even then, his struggles to connect downfield limit what the offense can do.

Second half, he struggled quite a bit.

The second half defense missed a lot of tackles but got stops at the end when they needed them. Don’t know why they seemed to stop blitzing when it was so effective in the first half.
RE: Hard to feel good  
CasualFan : 9/22/2024 4:17 pm : link
In comment 16619621 callmecrazy said:
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about this one. The team did not get any better. They just played a team even worse.


Well titled user name?
RE: Bowen definitely changed the defensive plan. A lot more  
Ira : 9/22/2024 4:17 pm : link
In comment 16619622 Blue21 said:
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aggressive today. Hope he continues with it. It won the game today.


At the very least, Bowen showed that he's willing to be flexible about it.
The Browns defense  
Dave on the UWS : 9/22/2024 4:17 pm : link
Played better 2nd half.
They had Ward follow Nabers. That combined with being backed up most of the 2nd half (after the Singlterry fumble) AND the defense controlling the game had Daboll be more conservative than we would like.
That’s called “don’t beat yourself”. Its proper coaching.
RE: RE: Papa and Banks were questioning Singletary...  
Mike from Ohio : 9/22/2024 4:18 pm : link
In comment 16619602 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 16619561 Big Blue Blogger said:


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...then they realized why he gave himself up. It was exactly the right play, and it reflected the situational awareness that was always an unfortunate hole in Barkley's game.



3 times 40 = 2 minutes

Anyone questioning it is wrong


One way is a certain win. The other way is a probable win. It isn’t splitting hairs. Giving himself on the 1 was the correct decision. Great heads up play - the kind Barkley wasn’t ever smart enough to do.
Defense has a lot of talent  
nygiants16 : 9/22/2024 4:18 pm : link
been saying it all offseason even after 2 rough games, Burns, Thibs and Dex wrecked the game..

Offensicely Nabers is an absolute stud, Jones had a good first half, 2nd half was a little rough missed aome easy throws..

Game really should of been a bigger blowout but a win is a win
RE: TTH: It's not just that sliding ices the game.  
Burst Bubble 25 : 9/22/2024 4:18 pm : link
In comment 16619636 Big Blue Blogger said:
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They also spared the defense another two-minute drive, and the attendant risk of injury and fatigue, with a huge Thursday game upcoming.

Sure, a touchdown probably puts the game out of reach. But sliding also rewards the defense for winning the game when the offense was sputtering.

The staff probably instructed the offense to go down if they got a first down. I doubt anyone envisioned having to make that decision at the 1 yard line, but it was still a good decision.


Very good point...I honestly thought it was 50/50 until you made this specific one....something I bet the data doesn't even take into account yet tbh
First half  
NJ_GIANTS : 9/22/2024 4:18 pm : link
Great offense play calling
QB was good
Defense was great the whole game
Banks is not a true CB1  
bigbluewillrise : 9/22/2024 4:19 pm : link
they need to help him.

If they expect him to shut down Lamb next week they are screwed.

help him.
RE: That's a good win  
M.S. : 9/22/2024 4:19 pm : link
In comment 16619613 larryflower37 said:
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Against a good team on the road. So much to build on .
The team has gotten better every week

Browns offensive line was a walking M.A.S.H. unit. How about we wait until we play the Cowboys. In the meantime, the Giants almost undid all their accomplishments from the first half including Daniel Jones reverting to form.
RE: Hard to feel good  
HBart : 9/22/2024 4:19 pm : link
In comment 16619621 callmecrazy said:
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about this one. The team did not get any better. They just played a team even worse.

Confirmed. You're crazy.
Loved the defense, they took it to them today  
PatersonPlank : 9/22/2024 4:19 pm : link
Offense played fine, and really nice 1st half followed by a very conservative 2nd half.

I think that is how we should expect DJ to play. He wasn't great, and did make mistakes, but he was functional and didn't turn the ball over. He took what was there, that is all we need and all we should expect.

Singletary needs to stop fumbling
RE: Defense has a lot of talent  
Burst Bubble 25 : 9/22/2024 4:20 pm : link
In comment 16619648 nygiants16 said:
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been saying it all offseason even after 2 rough games, Burns, Thibs and Dex wrecked the game..

Offensicely Nabers is an absolute stud, Jones had a good first half, 2nd half was a little rough missed aome easy throws..

Game really should of been a bigger blowout but a win is a win


Listen, you gotta take the good with bad with Wandale...he still has a lot to learn at the position...but he also has literally no catch radius...that a completion to practically any one else in NFL...it was a giant question mark when he came out...and we see it playing out a lot
If Jones hits that deep ball to nabers this game is a walk in the park  
bigbluewillrise : 9/22/2024 4:20 pm : link
a franchise qb makes that throw to close a game.
RE: Thought Daboll  
Adirondack GMen : 9/22/2024 4:20 pm : link
In comment 16619596 section125 said:
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got a little to conservative in the 2nd half.

Defense played great.

I felt the same way but when you look at the miss throws- we should/ could have been up more.
My issue is he has a bag of tools and chooses to use one exclusively- pray nothing happens!🤞🙏.
Dallas will shut down Nabors - we need the other receivers to be ready.
Offense struggled in second half  
bc4life : 9/22/2024 4:21 pm : link
But Cleveland has a pretty good defense.
It’s a whole new season  
PepperJ52 : 9/22/2024 4:21 pm : link
The Giants priced they can beat a quality team, wobbled, but didn’t shot the bed and came within a couple of plays of winning on a route. If you can’t be happy with this progress, I genuinely feel sorry for you.
RE: TTH: It's not just that sliding ices the game.  
HBart : 9/22/2024 4:21 pm : link
In comment 16619636 Big Blue Blogger said:
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They also spared the defense another two-minute drive, and the attendant risk of injury and fatigue, with a huge Thursday game upcoming.

Sure, a touchdown probably puts the game out of reach. But sliding also rewards the defense for winning the game when the offense was sputtering.

The staff probably instructed the offense to go down if they got a first down. I doubt anyone envisioned having to make that decision at the 1 yard line, but it was still a good decision.

Bing bing bing!

Injury risk was everything there.
Credit to Sean  
GiantGrit : 9/22/2024 4:21 pm : link
And myself for calling this one :)

I don’t want Schoen and Daboll to fail here, in fact I still like both and really found myself really hoping they would hold on. As much as I talk about a regime change, i’d rather these guys figure it out. Tired of the train wreck, slow Greek tragedy death our HC’s have been on.

A lot of good things they can build on today. At least for another week they have a meaningful game to play. Get to 2-2 and go from there.
RE: Banks is not a true CB1  
Burst Bubble 25 : 9/22/2024 4:22 pm : link
In comment 16619652 bigbluewillrise said:
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they need to help him.

If they expect him to shut down Lamb next week they are screwed.

help him.


I agree, but I also think this a matchup league...better match up for him next week...Cooper exposed all his flaws with his strength...Banks just doesn't play the ball well...not really an issue against CeeDee
Not a very good second half  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/22/2024 4:22 pm : link
but good to get a win on the road. Nice seeing the pressure from the D front but the Browns OL is poor. Get the win against Dallas next.
RE: Credit to Sean  
rnargi : 9/22/2024 4:22 pm : link
In comment 16619675 GiantGrit said:
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And myself for calling this one :)

I don’t want Schoen and Daboll to fail here, in fact I still like both and really found myself really hoping they would hold on. As much as I talk about a regime change, i’d rather these guys figure it out. Tired of the train wreck, slow Greek tragedy death our HC’s have been on.

A lot of good things they can build on today. At least for another week they have a meaningful game to play. Get to 2-2 and go from there.


Yep. I called it, too. Just had that feeling
RE: TTH: It's not just that sliding ices the game.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/22/2024 4:23 pm : link
In comment 16619636 Big Blue Blogger said:
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They also spared the defense another two-minute drive, and the attendant risk of injury and fatigue, with a huge Thursday game upcoming.

Sure, a touchdown probably puts the game out of reach. But sliding also rewards the defense for winning the game when the offense was sputtering.

The staff probably instructed the offense to go down if they got a first down. I doubt anyone envisioned having to make that decision at the 1 yard line, but it was still a good decision.


That's very fair.
RE: I suspect we’ll be working out more kickers.  
DefenseWins : 9/22/2024 4:23 pm : link
In comment 16619634 bceagle05 said:
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48-yarder wasn’t within a mile.


I mentioned in the game thread that Daboll was also responsible for that miss. We need a couple of play calls that would have gotten Joseph closer. Instead, we punted at 3rd and 11.
For those praising  
callmecrazy : 9/22/2024 4:23 pm : link
the defense, let's see how you are feeling after the next game.
Didn't think Aaron Thomas  
section125 : 9/22/2024 4:23 pm : link
had a good game. Garrett is great DE, but Thomas had a tough time.
A win is a win, we'll take it  
56goat : 9/22/2024 4:24 pm : link
But let's see how we do when we step up in weight class, starting next week. We get a few wins there, then maybe we have something.
injuries  
bigbluewillrise : 9/22/2024 4:24 pm : link
i saw slayton injury
i saw adoree injury
i saw phillips injury
mcfadden was in and out.

anyone else i missed?
i saw Schmitz too.


flott maybe too
RE: For those praising  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/22/2024 4:24 pm : link
In comment 16619685 callmecrazy said:
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the defense, let's see how you are feeling after the next game.


The fuck kind of comment is this?
Garrett was disruptive but ultimately had one tackle and no sacks.  
bceagle05 : 9/22/2024 4:24 pm : link
On the game thread you woulda thought Andrew Thomas was Josh Ezeudu out there.
RE: RE: TTH: It's not just that sliding ices the game.  
Burst Bubble 25 : 9/22/2024 4:24 pm : link
In comment 16619670 HBart said:
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In comment 16619636 Big Blue Blogger said:


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They also spared the defense another two-minute drive, and the attendant risk of injury and fatigue, with a huge Thursday game upcoming.

Sure, a touchdown probably puts the game out of reach. But sliding also rewards the defense for winning the game when the offense was sputtering.

The staff probably instructed the offense to go down if they got a first down. I doubt anyone envisioned having to make that decision at the 1 yard line, but it was still a good decision.


Bing bing bing!

Injury risk was everything there.


Yeah I actually agree, not that was going through his head.

The reality is we have a guy that listens to the coaches in a selfless way...it's good to see. First down go down where the instructions.

And reality next time he needs to negotiate a deal, they'll point right to that play
Dallas can try  
Dave on the UWS : 9/22/2024 4:24 pm : link
moving Nabers around makes it a lot harder. Dallas doesn’t have a Ward to follow him with. They owe the Cowboys from last year. Let’s see them come out and smack Dallas in the mouth. The Saints showed they are NOT a mentally tough team.
RE: RE: For those praising  
section125 : 9/22/2024 4:25 pm : link
In comment 16619691 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 16619685 callmecrazy said:


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the defense, let's see how you are feeling after the next game.



The fuck kind of comment is this?


A troll that should be banned immediately.
RE: For those praising  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/22/2024 4:25 pm : link
In comment 16619685 callmecrazy said:
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the defense, let's see how you are feeling after the next game.


Maybe. But if you can't enjoy a win, then why bother?
RE: Dallas can try  
bigbluewillrise : 9/22/2024 4:25 pm : link
In comment 16619696 Dave on the UWS said:
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moving Nabers around makes it a lot harder. Dallas doesn’t have a Ward to follow him with. They owe the Cowboys from last year. Let’s see them come out and smack Dallas in the mouth. The Saints showed they are NOT a mentally tough team.


diggs is shutdown CB1
RE: Didn't think Aaron Thomas  
NYGiantFL007 : 9/22/2024 4:25 pm : link
In comment 16619687 section125 said:
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had a good game. Garrett is great DE, but Thomas had a tough time.


MG is the best DE in football, he is a better player then AT. And that is ok, AT held up and did what he had to do to not let MG wreck the game. They are both Elite players.
I don't think they went too conservative in the 2nd half  
Stu11 : 9/22/2024 4:25 pm : link
They couldn't run the ball or pass protect. Hard to open up the playbook there.
RE: RE: Banks is not a true CB1  
SirLoinOfBeef : 9/22/2024 4:26 pm : link
In comment 16619679 Burst Bubble 25 said:
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In comment 16619652 bigbluewillrise said:


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they need to help him.

If they expect him to shut down Lamb next week they are screwed.

help him.



I agree, but I also think this a matchup league...better match up for him next week...Cooper exposed all his flaws with his strength...Banks just doesn't play the ball well...not really an issue against CeeDee


Lamb is a better matchup for Banks?... Eh...

RE: special teams is a disaster  
Wiggy : 9/22/2024 4:26 pm : link
In comment 16619624 bigbluewillrise said:
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Gillian couldnt pin them once

K couldnt make a basic 47 yarder

Gray is not a PR nad hes not a PR, stop shoehorning him holy shit.

its costing them a lot.
Daboll doesn’t respect special teams
Too many so call "Fans" want the team to lose  
larryflower37 : 9/22/2024 4:26 pm : link
I don't get it at all.
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.
Jones's performance today could confirm anyone's priors.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/22/2024 4:26 pm : link
He made enough plays to win, and made enough mistakes to lose. Even if the negated interception wasn't on Jones (looked like Johnson might have pulled pulled an Evan Engram), it's safe to say Jones needs to play better to give NYG a chance on Thursday; but he has shown enough the last two weeks to at least allow room for hope.
i want to see more 4-3  
bigbluewillrise : 9/22/2024 4:26 pm : link
i liked their fronts this game.


i thought the gap control was great.

just missed tackling was the reason for any real gain from teh browns on the ground and from watson.
RE: RE: For those praising  
callmecrazy : 9/22/2024 4:27 pm : link
In comment 16619699 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16619685 callmecrazy said:


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the defense, let's see how you are feeling after the next game.



Maybe. But if you can't enjoy a win, then why bother?


I'll start enjoying these once they win 3 or 4 in a row. We've seen these types of wins from them every single year. It means nothing to me now.
RE: RE: special teams is a disaster  
Wiggy : 9/22/2024 4:28 pm : link
In comment 16619638 Burst Bubble 25 said:
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In comment 16619624 bigbluewillrise said:


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Gillian couldnt pin them once

K couldnt make a basic 47 yarder

Gray is not a PR nad hes not a PR, stop shoehorning him holy shit.

its costing them a lot.



If it's not clear at this point...Daboll doesn't give a shit about special teams ..that much is clear.
yes!! So glad u see that too.
RE: RE: special teams is a disaster  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/22/2024 4:28 pm : link
In comment 16619706 Wiggy said:
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In comment 16619624 bigbluewillrise said:


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Gillian couldnt pin them once

K couldnt make a basic 47 yarder

Gray is not a PR nad hes not a PR, stop shoehorning him holy shit.

its costing them a lot.

Daboll doesn’t respect special teams


Maybe the players should just fucking do their jobs better.
Rise- Diggs will be playing  
Dave on the UWS : 9/22/2024 4:28 pm : link
all year with an injury that almost cost him his season. He won’t be 100% all year (according to the Dallas media). Let him try and travel. If he was healthy, I would agree.
RE: RE: RE: For those praising  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/22/2024 4:29 pm : link
In comment 16619714 callmecrazy said:
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In comment 16619699 Eric from BBI said:


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In comment 16619685 callmecrazy said:


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the defense, let's see how you are feeling after the next game.



Maybe. But if you can't enjoy a win, then why bother?



I'll start enjoying these once they win 3 or 4 in a row. We've seen these types of wins from them every single year. It means nothing to me now.


You were in the game thread, so clearly it meant something.
If nothing else  
bceagle05 : 9/22/2024 4:29 pm : link
we ruined Jordan Raanan’s and Pat Leonard’s evenings.
I'll call myself out.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 9/22/2024 4:29 pm : link

I wanted to see Singletary score. Being selfish honestly. I wanted to see 28-15 with the Giants sealing it with an emphatic TD.

Glad we won. The defense played well. 8 sacks. Gave up 2 TDs total in 2 games.

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