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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/22/2024 4:01 pm
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Dallas is in the process of getting worked over by Baltimore  
Go Terps : 9/22/2024 4:58 pm : link
Big opportunity Thursday.
RE: RE: Too many so call  
56goat : 9/22/2024 4:59 pm : link
In comment 16619803 SimmsToBavaro said:
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In comment 16619707 larryflower37 said:


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I don't get it at all.
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.



You’re mistaking a hatred for perpetual losing and not accepting mediocrity for “fans wanting to lose”. It’s actually the opposite. Fans “don’t want to lose” but badly want to return to greatness or at least consistent competitiveness and will gladly trade a meaningless win to achieve it. They realize that won’t happen if Johnny witnesses false hope. This team badly needs a professional QB and possibly a coach with a bit of common sense.


Yes, this. I don't root for the Giants to lose, so Larry your assumption is wrong, but I understand why people do. I still think there are a lot of changes that need to be made.
RE: Hate to keep beating a dead horse  
Simms11 : 9/22/2024 4:59 pm : link
In comment 16619766 jeff57 said:
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But the lack of a quality TE really hampers this offense.


Johnson will get better….he’s a rookie and may need time to develop. He showed nice speed on that screen pass though. Berlinger is not terrible and is a solid #2.
RE: Dallas is in the process of getting worked over by Baltimore  
Mike from Ohio : 9/22/2024 5:00 pm : link
In comment 16619823 Go Terps said:
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Big opportunity Thursday.


Dallas’ defense looks lost. Two very easy TD drives by Baltimore.
Dallas loses today  
Giantimistic : 9/22/2024 5:02 pm : link
And the Giants beat them I think McCarthy will be fired—will Belicheck go there in season? Could happen.
RE: Singletary needs to stop fumbling  
JohnG in Albany : 9/22/2024 5:03 pm : link
In comment 16619816 Woodstock said:
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Banks needs to turn around
Start Hyatt over Slayton
Daboll, what was that playcalling setting up for the field goal? We all saw that missed kick coming from a mile away.
Jones for the love of God hit a deep pass


Now this post I fully agree with. *grin*

Keep in mind  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/22/2024 5:03 pm : link
the Giants had to play Art Green in the second half. Pretty amazing.
Baltimore beat the beejus out of Dallas  
BigBlueCane : 9/22/2024 5:05 pm : link
last year as well.

That's not really a sign either way.
RE: Dallas loses today  
56goat : 9/22/2024 5:05 pm : link
In comment 16619842 Giantimistic said:
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And the Giants beat them I think McCarthy will be fired—will Belicheck go there in season? Could happen.


They may look at us as a "get well" game.
Wandale does a ton well ..but he has a lot to learn about the WR  
Burst Bubble 25 : 9/22/2024 5:05 pm : link
position, plus his literal league low catch radius shows up a lot.

Team needs Theo Johnson to step up desperataly.
No more Eric Gray on kickoffs  
Woodstock : 9/22/2024 5:06 pm : link
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RE: RE: Dallas loses today  
Burst Bubble 25 : 9/22/2024 5:06 pm : link
In comment 16619858 56goat said:
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And the Giants beat them I think McCarthy will be fired—will Belicheck go there in season? Could happen.



They may look at us as a "get well" game.


Oh they definitely did, but so did the Browns probably.
RE: RE: Hate to keep beating a dead horse  
section125 : 9/22/2024 5:06 pm : link
In comment 16619830 Simms11 said:
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But the lack of a quality TE really hampers this offense.



Johnson will get better….he’s a rookie and may need time to develop. He showed nice speed on that screen pass though. Berlinger is not terrible and is a solid #2.


Johnson has to catch the ball when targeted.

BTW, I thought the hold on Bellinger was a bad call - anybodt else think it was a bad call?
RE: Keep in mind  
armstead98 : 9/22/2024 5:07 pm : link
In comment 16619846 Eric from BBI said:
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the Giants had to play Art Green in the second half. Pretty amazing.


Who got hurt? Wasn’t watching closely
Bellinger hold  
cosmicj : 9/22/2024 5:07 pm : link
No, it was clearly a hold.
RE: Dallas loses today  
JohnG in Albany : 9/22/2024 5:07 pm : link
In comment 16619842 Giantimistic said:
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And the Giants beat them I think McCarthy will be fired—will Belicheck go there in season? Could happen.


Jerrah's history since Parcells is to not have a coach who could get more credit than him for any possible success.

We will have to score points  
Giants86 : 9/22/2024 5:09 pm : link
Vs cowboys.
Jones at home at night hasn’t been successful.
Thursday night big now.
I’ll be the canary  
HardTruth : 9/22/2024 5:09 pm : link
As I was in 2022 as I kept posting week after week in second half season what our record was after a 7-2 start

That game looked like two teams trying to lose a football. The Browns were just more inept than the Giants with fumbles and penalties.

An ugly win still counts as a win but this is definitely not a chest thumping game
Giants went conservative due to field position  
5BowlsSoon : 9/22/2024 5:09 pm : link
They got the ball at their 5 and their 9 yard line. Cleveland defense was doing a pretty good job stuffing the run and Nabors was getting better coverage on him. Do you trust Jones deep in his territory to get us out of trouble and lead us downfield? I don’t. And he stupidly almost threw a disasterous pic from out of the end zone in the 2nd half. We all know, Jones’ ceiling is okay….he is not Mahomes or any great QB who you can feel comfortable about to lead a team from the 5 yard line. Just play it safe….still try to get a few first downs, but safe quick passes or screens or draw plays.
This was never going to be a 2 win team  
Jerry in_DC : 9/22/2024 5:10 pm : link
People were going a bit overboard this week, understandably so. But we have 6-7 win talent and we'll probably end up right around there in the end.

Offense was quite impressive in the 1st half. Defense pretty solid all around. We were fortunate that Ford dropped the handoff in the backfield.

This was one of those games between 2 mediocre teams that one of them has to win. There will be some more of those as we go.
RE: RE: Keep in mind  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/22/2024 5:12 pm : link
In comment 16619865 armstead98 said:
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the Giants had to play Art Green in the second half. Pretty amazing.



Who got hurt? Wasn’t watching closely


Both Dru Phillips and Adoree' Jackson.
RE: Giants went conservative due to field position  
larryflower37 : 9/22/2024 5:13 pm : link
In comment 16619878 5BowlsSoon said:
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They got the ball at their 5 and their 9 yard line. Cleveland defense was doing a pretty good job stuffing the run and Nabors was getting better coverage on him. Do you trust Jones deep in his territory to get us out of trouble and lead us downfield? I don’t. And he stupidly almost threw a disasterous pic from out of the end zone in the 2nd half. We all know, Jones’ ceiling is okay….he is not Mahomes or any great QB who you can feel comfortable about to lead a team from the 5 yard line. Just play it safe….still try to get a few first downs, but safe quick passes or screens or draw plays.

The conservative point was when they were in FG range after the turnover and went 3 straight runs up the middle.
That is the moment you get creative and try and put the game away not count in a journeyman kicker to kick a 48 yd FG on his first game time FG in a year.
RE: RE: RE: Too many so call  
SimmsToBavaro : 9/22/2024 5:17 pm : link
In comment 16619813 larryflower37 said:
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I don't get it at all.
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.



You’re mistaking a hatred for perpetual losing and not accepting mediocrity for “fans wanting to lose”. It’s actually the opposite. Fans “don’t want to lose” but badly want to return to greatness or at least consistent competitiveness and will gladly trade a meaningless win to achieve it. They realize that won’t happen if Johnny witnesses false hope. This team badly needs a professional QB and possibly a coach with a bit of common sense.


How can you say with certainty that any win is a meaningless win?
But to root against wins is a miserable way of fandom.



I get your point, but anyone watching this team knows where this is going. I had the same reasoning last year when DeVito picked up a few wins. It was nice to experience a win but we lost in the end. I like Malik and I’m glad he’s a giant, but we aren’t going anywhere without a franchise QB…unfortunately. Would have traded those meaningless wins for May or Daniels?
RE: I’ll be the canary  
Sean : 9/22/2024 5:19 pm : link
In comment 16619877 HardTruth said:
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As I was in 2022 as I kept posting week after week in second half season what our record was after a 7-2 start

That game looked like two teams trying to lose a football. The Browns were just more inept than the Giants with fumbles and penalties.

An ugly win still counts as a win but this is definitely not a chest thumping game

Jones looked better than Watson. The Watson contract is the worst of all time to this point. Have to be fair.

The Jones deal has such little impact compared to Watson and Cleveland.
RE: I’ll be the canary  
jvm52106 : 9/22/2024 5:19 pm : link
In comment 16619877 HardTruth said:
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As I was in 2022 as I kept posting week after week in second half season what our record was after a 7-2 start

That game looked like two teams trying to lose a football. The Browns were just more inept than the Giants with fumbles and penalties.

An ugly win still counts as a win but this is definitely not a chest thumping game


I don't think.a canary is necessary. However, the Giants weak defense still managed to shut down the Browns a lot and if not for dome odd play calling in the second half I think we win this game a bot more comfortably.
RE: I’ll be the canary  
GiantTuff1 : 9/22/2024 5:19 pm : link
In comment 16619877 HardTruth said:
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As I was in 2022 as I kept posting week after week in second half season what our record was after a 7-2 start

That game looked like two teams trying to lose a football. The Browns were just more inept than the Giants with fumbles and penalties.

An ugly win still counts as a win but this is definitely not a chest thumping game

I feel more like this too. A competant NFL team would have completed that comeback against the Giants. We were just less incompetent.
RE: RE: Bellinger needs to be the starting TE....Johnson was brutal today  
Burst Bubble 25 : 9/22/2024 5:20 pm : link
In comment 16619818 Eric from BBI said:
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Can't get better if you don't play.


Fair enough, and I agree, but Thursday is not the day to test....few packages in first half... hopefully get his confidence up, but what we brought him in for was a massive fail today. Doubt Coughlin would put up with this so far ...it's the NFL...gotta earn your time
Fanning OUT!!  
MauiYankee : 9/22/2024 5:22 pm : link
Jones is a piece of poop.
Daboll is a dumb bell
Why isn't Danny DeVito playing?
SELL MARA SELL!!

oh wait......
Daboll that wily genius!!
Jones will follow Eli into the HOF!!!

There goes the 1st pick in the draft......sigh.
RE: RE: I’ll be the canary  
Burst Bubble 25 : 9/22/2024 5:22 pm : link
In comment 16619910 GiantTuff1 said:
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In comment 16619877 HardTruth said:


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As I was in 2022 as I kept posting week after week in second half season what our record was after a 7-2 start

That game looked like two teams trying to lose a football. The Browns were just more inept than the Giants with fumbles and penalties.

An ugly win still counts as a win but this is definitely not a chest thumping game


I feel more like this too. A competant NFL team would have completed that comeback against the Giants. We were just less incompetent.


There's like 8 teams like that in NFL...we just beat a 500 team in a must win game at home...they were walking wounded of course so there's that.

Let's be happy until Thursdays..and who knows...maybe we finally win
Good team win  
Maijay : 9/22/2024 5:22 pm : link
and did not fold in the end. Take the win and enjoy it. It is a infrequent result.
RE: I love  
DavidinBMNY : 9/22/2024 5:22 pm : link
In comment 16619576 Eric from BBI said:
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good defense.
sacks were awesome. Okerkee can’t miss so many tackles.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Too many so call  
larryflower37 : 9/22/2024 5:23 pm : link
In comment 16619902 SimmsToBavaro said:
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I don't get it at all.
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.



You’re mistaking a hatred for perpetual losing and not accepting mediocrity for “fans wanting to lose”. It’s actually the opposite. Fans “don’t want to lose” but badly want to return to greatness or at least consistent competitiveness and will gladly trade a meaningless win to achieve it. They realize that won’t happen if Johnny witnesses false hope. This team badly needs a professional QB and possibly a coach with a bit of common sense.


How can you say with certainty that any win is a meaningless win?
But to root against wins is a miserable way of fandom.




I get your point, but anyone watching this team knows where this is going. I had the same reasoning last year when DeVito picked up a few wins. It was nice to experience a win but we lost in the end. I like Malik and I’m glad he’s a giant, but we aren’t going anywhere without a franchise QB…unfortunately. Would have traded those meaningless wins for May or Daniels?

It's game 3!
Unless Jones has an incredible season I think they are moving on or at minimum he will be a bridge next year to a rookie.
So if we can win 7 to 10 wins and build some success this year it is better for the future. This group will get their QB but we need wins and build continuity.
We need to stop burning it down and building from ashes.
I came on here to enjoy a win  
Fred-in-Florida : 9/22/2024 5:23 pm : link
But the negativity is overwhelming.

Enjoy the win or root for another team.

Minnesota is 3-0.....something to be said for all these preseason  
Burst Bubble 25 : 9/22/2024 5:24 pm : link
predictions. And one win is against arguably the best team in NFC.
RE: I came on here to enjoy a win  
Burst Bubble 25 : 9/22/2024 5:24 pm : link
In comment 16619926 Fred-in-Florida said:
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But the negativity is overwhelming.

Enjoy the win or root for another team.


It's fucking ridiculous...we have hope going into a crucial matchup...wanna bring that shit so it Friday
RE: special teams is a disaster  
DavidinBMNY : 9/22/2024 5:25 pm : link
In comment 16619624 bigbluewillrise said:
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Gillian couldnt pin them once

K couldnt make a basic 47 yarder

Gray is not a PR nad hes not a PR, stop shoehorning him holy shit.

its costing them a lot.
insane they won with all that crap.
RE: Minnesota is 3-0.....something to be said for all these preseason  
bubba0825 : 9/22/2024 5:25 pm : link
In comment 16619929 Burst Bubble 25 said:
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predictions. And one win is against arguably the best team in NFC.


Minnesota is clearly a very good team, they should have beaten the 49er
Ore than the score would indicate.

The nfc is wide open btw no on is that good
Wan Dale  
Blue100 : 9/22/2024 5:26 pm : link
Disappointed that he could not come up with an important grab late on a good 3rd down throw.....only 1 ball to Hyatt...Slayton, before his injury was a non-factor, we have to get more results from receivers not named Nabors

RE: RE: special teams is a disaster  
Burst Bubble 25 : 9/22/2024 5:26 pm : link
In comment 16619934 DavidinBMNY said:
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Gillian couldnt pin them once

K couldnt make a basic 47 yarder

Gray is not a PR nad hes not a PR, stop shoehorning him holy shit.

its costing them a lot.

insane they won with all that crap.


Dabolls blind spot is he doesn't give a shit about specials...specials were on pt today we win extremely comfortably. I mean we dominated a half...should have been 21-0...the second half is a mich different ballgame there
RE: Minnesota is 3-0.....something to be said for all these preseason  
section125 : 9/22/2024 5:27 pm : link
In comment 16619929 Burst Bubble 25 said:
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predictions. And one win is against arguably the best team in NFC.


They won 13 with Cousins. Good offensive team and now they seem to have a defense.
RE: RE: Minnesota is 3-0.....something to be said for all these preseason  
Burst Bubble 25 : 9/22/2024 5:28 pm : link
In comment 16619936 bubba0825 said:
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predictions. And one win is against arguably the best team in NFC.



Minnesota is clearly a very good team, they should have beaten the 49er
Ore than the score would indicate.

The nfc is wide open btw no on is that good


Yeah I actually bet on us to win NFC and East just because how bad I thought NFC was this year...still think we are an 8 win team, but might be enough to win East, especially if Eagles get injury bug...they don't look good without Brown that's for sure
RE: I came on here to enjoy a win  
Maijay : 9/22/2024 5:33 pm : link
In comment 16619926 Fred-in-Florida said:
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But the negativity is overwhelming.
Enjoy the win or root for another team.

Come on BBI lets put out some positive vibes.
RE: Bellinger hold  
Burst Bubble 25 : 9/22/2024 5:35 pm : link
In comment 16619867 cosmicj said:
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No, it was clearly a hold.


Wildly disgree...he got punished for dominating his man






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RE: RE: RE: RE: For those praising  
Milton : 9/22/2024 5:35 pm : link
In comment 16619719 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I'll start enjoying these once they win 3 or 4 in a row. We've seen these types of wins from them every single year. It means nothing to me now.



You were in the game thread, so clearly it meant something.
Yeah but he was only in the game thread to criticize the Giants. Seeing them win took all the enjoyment out of it.
On Singletary’s run  
Fred-in-Florida : 9/22/2024 5:35 pm : link
If that is as. Barkley he would have gone out of bounds and stopped the clock.

Yeah it stopped at 2 minutes but just game awareness.
Browns offensive line is a mess and Watson stinks  
Hammer : 9/22/2024 5:38 pm : link
A win is a win.

I really do not feel any better about this team than I did after the first two games.

Let's see if they are competitive agains a mediocre Cowboys team on Thursday night.

I'm not holding my breath.
RE: RE: I’ll be the canary  
HardTruth : 9/22/2024 5:43 pm : link
In comment 16619907 Sean said:
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As I was in 2022 as I kept posting week after week in second half season what our record was after a 7-2 start

That game looked like two teams trying to lose a football. The Browns were just more inept than the Giants with fumbles and penalties.

An ugly win still counts as a win but this is definitely not a chest thumping game


Jones looked better than Watson. The Watson contract is the worst of all time to this point. Have to be fair.

The Jones deal has such little impact compared to Watson and Cleveland.



Great. We can hang a banner - “Not the worst QB contract of all time”
RE: RE: I’ll be the canary  
AcidTest : 9/22/2024 5:45 pm : link
In comment 16619910 GiantTuff1 said:
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In comment 16619877 HardTruth said:


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As I was in 2022 as I kept posting week after week in second half season what our record was after a 7-2 start

That game looked like two teams trying to lose a football. The Browns were just more inept than the Giants with fumbles and penalties.

An ugly win still counts as a win but this is definitely not a chest thumping game


I feel more like this too. A competant NFL team would have completed that comeback against the Giants. We were just less incompetent.


Tend to agree based on the second half.
RE: Browns offensive line is a mess and Watson stinks  
Fred-in-Florida : 9/22/2024 5:46 pm : link
In comment 16619972 Hammer said:
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A win is a win.

I really do not feel any better about this team than I did after the first two games.

Let's see if they are competitive agains a mediocre Cowboys team on Thursday night.

I'm not holding my breath.


I feel better about it. The last two weeks has been brutal on here. Maybe I’ll be able to own a thread with something positive for a change.
Open not own  
Fred-in-Florida : 9/22/2024 5:48 pm : link
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