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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/22/2024 4:01 pm
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Offensive line with another great game  
bluefin : 9/22/2024 5:55 pm : link
hats off to Schoen for upgrading that group so well - especially IOL, which has been sub-par for years.
RE: Browns offensive line is a mess and Watson stinks  
RCPhoenix : 9/22/2024 5:56 pm : link
In comment 16619972 Hammer said:
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A win is a win.

I really do not feel any better about this team than I did after the first two games.

Let's see if they are competitive agains a mediocre Cowboys team on Thursday night.

I'm not holding my breath.


You don’t feel any better about the defense?
RE: Offensive line with another great game  
RCPhoenix : 9/22/2024 5:56 pm : link
In comment 16620018 bluefin said:
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hats off to Schoen for upgrading that group so well - especially IOL, which has been sub-par for years.


Coaching matters.
RE: RE: Offensive line with another great game  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/22/2024 5:58 pm : link
In comment 16620021 RCPhoenix said:
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hats off to Schoen for upgrading that group so well - especially IOL, which has been sub-par for years.



Coaching matters.


Perhaps more than any other position group aside from QB
RE: RE: I came on here to enjoy a win  
RCPhoenix : 9/22/2024 5:59 pm : link
In comment 16619933 Burst Bubble 25 said:
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But the negativity is overwhelming.

Enjoy the win or root for another team.




It's fucking ridiculous...we have hope going into a crucial matchup...wanna bring that shit so it Friday


BBI at its finest. Some people are never happy
RE: RE: RE: I came on here to enjoy a win  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/22/2024 6:00 pm : link
In comment 16620029 RCPhoenix said:
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But the negativity is overwhelming.

Enjoy the win or root for another team.




It's fucking ridiculous...we have hope going into a crucial matchup...wanna bring that shit so it Friday



BBI at its finest. Some people are never happy


Pay attention to how quiet it is going to be this week on BBI.

The only thing some people want to do is bitch and moan.
RE: RE: Browns offensive line is a mess and Watson stinks  
larryflower37 : 9/22/2024 6:01 pm : link
In comment 16620020 RCPhoenix said:
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In comment 16619972 Hammer said:


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A win is a win.

I really do not feel any better about this team than I did after the first two games.

Let's see if they are competitive agains a mediocre Cowboys team on Thursday night.

I'm not holding my breath.



You don’t feel any better about the defense?

I mean they have given up only 1 Touchdown in 2 games horrible performance
RE: RE: Papa and Banks were questioning Singletary...  
Ivan15 : 9/22/2024 6:05 pm : link
In comment 16619577 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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...then they realized why he gave himself up. It was exactly the right play, and it reflected the situational awareness that was always an unfortunate hole in Barkley's game.



Eh, this is a split decision. You go up 28-15 with 2 minutes plus to play. It's splitting hairs.
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It would have been 27-15. Extra point would be in serious doubt.
RE: RE: RE: I came on here to enjoy a win  
NYGiantFL007 : 9/22/2024 6:06 pm : link
In comment 16620029 RCPhoenix said:
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But the negativity is overwhelming.

Enjoy the win or root for another team.




It's fucking ridiculous...we have hope going into a crucial matchup...wanna bring that shit so it Friday



BBI at its finest. Some people are never happy


Best BBI reaction you could hope for right after the game, let's see how we are tomorrow. I feel there will be some optimism.
Bellinger Holding Call  
GiantGrit : 9/22/2024 6:07 pm : link
Put me in the camp that thought it was a horrible call. He was squared up and finished his block. Too many calls like that in the NFL today. The CB cried and got the call, didn’t even fight to work off the block. Don’t reward that.
RE: This was never going to be a 2 win team  
Ivan15 : 9/22/2024 6:09 pm : link
In comment 16619881 Jerry in_DC said:
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People were going a bit overboard this week, understandably so. But we have 6-7 win talent and we'll probably end up right around there in the end.

Offense was quite impressive in the 1st half. Defense pretty solid all around. We were fortunate that Ford dropped the handoff in the backfield.

This was one of those games between 2 mediocre teams that one of them has to win. There will be some more of those as we go.
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If this team ends up at 0.500 or above, Daboll could be Coach of the Year again without having improvement.
RE: Bellinger Holding Call  
section125 : 9/22/2024 6:11 pm : link
In comment 16620046 GiantGrit said:
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Put me in the camp that thought it was a horrible call. He was squared up and finished his block. Too many calls like that in the NFL today. The CB cried and got the call, didn’t even fight to work off the block. Don’t reward that.


Glad I wasn't the only one. That looked very clean.
RE: RE: RE: Browns offensive line is a mess and Watson stinks  
RCPhoenix : 9/22/2024 6:15 pm : link
In comment 16620035 larryflower37 said:
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A win is a win.

I really do not feel any better about this team than I did after the first two games.

Let's see if they are competitive agains a mediocre Cowboys team on Thursday night.

I'm not holding my breath.



You don’t feel any better about the defense?


I mean they have given up only 1 Touchdown in 2 games horrible performance


The defense couldn’t get off the field or stop the run vs Washington. Today was a massive improvement for the D.
RE: Didn't think Aaron Thomas  
Ivan15 : 9/22/2024 6:17 pm : link
In comment 16619687 section125 said:
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had a good game. Garrett is great DE, but Thomas had a tough time.
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Aaron Thomas? Reincarnated?
RE: RE: RE: Papa and Banks were questioning Singletary...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/22/2024 6:18 pm : link
In comment 16620041 Ivan15 said:
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It would have been 27-15. Extra point would be in serious doubt.


Don't be a baby. Joseph's a 94% kicker on extra points. Like half a point worse than Gano.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I came on here to enjoy a win  
Burst Bubble 25 : 9/22/2024 6:20 pm : link
In comment 16620034 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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But the negativity is overwhelming.

Enjoy the win or root for another team.




It's fucking ridiculous...we have hope going into a crucial matchup...wanna bring that shit so it Friday



BBI at its finest. Some people are never happy



Pay attention to how quiet it is going to be this week on BBI.

The only thing some people want to do is bitch and moan.


I'm pretty sure the place will be a ghost town with a win on Thursday lol
RE: For those praising  
clatterbuck : 9/22/2024 6:21 pm : link
In comment 16619685 callmecrazy said:
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the defense, let's see how you are feeling after the next game.


Why is so hard to acknowledge the defense playewd very well in THIS game? Geez.
RE: I came on here to enjoy a win  
clatterbuck : 9/22/2024 6:22 pm : link
In comment 16619926 Fred-in-Florida said:
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But the negativity is overwhelming.

Enjoy the win or root for another team.

+1
Theo  
Tim in JTown : 9/22/2024 6:37 pm : link
I want to see this kid get some confidence in this league. Glad to see he got some targets today.
Wow lots of negative today  
JOrthman : 9/22/2024 6:45 pm : link
I didn't expect to read all this.

I'm down on them based on their history, but odd game to be negative after.
Bowen showing he can adjust  
larryflower37 : 9/22/2024 6:49 pm : link
DC Shane Bowen with a great adjustment. Brought more than 4 rushers on 27 of 47 (57%) of dropbacks, per NextGen Stats
I am in the camp  
Dave on the UWS : 9/22/2024 6:53 pm : link
that Jones needs to be replaced. BUT, I thought he played very well today (for the 1st time I can think of) against a good defense.
He made the one dumb ass throw (that Nabers bailed
him out on).
Otherwise, his reads were sound, he was as assertive as was needed. His only clean pocket on the deep ball was the first one and just missed. They can win and be competitive with this level of QB play. Good enough for now.
RE: RE: For those praising  
giantstock : 9/22/2024 7:16 pm : link
In comment 16620088 clatterbuck said:
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the defense, let's see how you are feeling after the next game.



Why is so hard to acknowledge the defense playewd very well in THIS game? Geez.


He's on of the same dudes I think whining about Giants should've scored a TD rather than kneel. .
If Watson wasn’t so bad not sure the Giants hold on to win  
ajr2456 : 9/22/2024 7:31 pm : link
Giants Advanced Stats by Half:

• 1st Half •
0.35 EPA/Play
0.60 EPA/Dropback
54% Success Rate (21 successful plays)
63% Dropback Success Rate

• 2nd Half •
-0.37 EPA/Play
-0.38 EPA/Dropback
31% Success Rate (9 successful plays)
33% Dropback Success Rate
RE: If Watson wasn’t so bad not sure the Giants hold on to win  
section125 : 9/22/2024 7:33 pm : link
In comment 16620282 ajr2456 said:
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Giants Advanced Stats by Half:

• 1st Half •
0.35 EPA/Play
0.60 EPA/Dropback
54% Success Rate (21 successful plays)
63% Dropback Success Rate

• 2nd Half •
-0.37 EPA/Play
-0.38 EPA/Dropback
31% Success Rate (9 successful plays)
33% Dropback Success Rate


How about the Giants defense made him look bad....there was a reason he played poorly.
RE: RE: If Watson wasn’t so bad not sure the Giants hold on to win  
ajr2456 : 9/22/2024 7:35 pm : link
In comment 16620289 section125 said:
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Giants Advanced Stats by Half:

• 1st Half •
0.35 EPA/Play
0.60 EPA/Dropback
54% Success Rate (21 successful plays)
63% Dropback Success Rate

• 2nd Half •
-0.37 EPA/Play
-0.38 EPA/Dropback
31% Success Rate (9 successful plays)
33% Dropback Success Rate



How about the Giants defense made him look bad....there was a reason he played poorly.


Didn’t say the Giants didn’t have a hand in him playing poorly
RE: RE: Bellinger Holding Call  
Blueworm : 9/22/2024 7:43 pm : link
In comment 16620056 section125 said:
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Put me in the camp that thought it was a horrible call. He was squared up and finished his block. Too many calls like that in the NFL today. The CB cried and got the call, didn’t even fight to work off the block. Don’t reward that.



Glad I wasn't the only one. That looked very clean.


Flailing and falling backward neither defeats the block, nor should it draw a hold.
I think alot are blinded by the win  
HardTruth : 9/22/2024 7:47 pm : link
I watched this game at a large party and very few Giants fans

It felt like two teams intentionally throwing the game in that 4Q

I mean the Giants had nothing to do with thaf fumble. Just a botched handoff

Why did Cleveland go for it on 4th & 1 with 4 mins left and their TOs. Giants FG ends it

Yet the Giants starting on the 29 go backwards on 3 plays and miss the FG

Etc etc

This was ineptitude
 
christian : 9/22/2024 7:48 pm : link
The call on Bellinger seemed like something that was pointed out to the officials to keep an eye on.
RE: RE: RE: If Watson wasn’t so bad not sure the Giants hold on to win  
section125 : 9/22/2024 7:48 pm : link
In comment 16620293 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 16620282 ajr2456 said:


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Giants Advanced Stats by Half:

• 1st Half •
0.35 EPA/Play
0.60 EPA/Dropback
54% Success Rate (21 successful plays)
63% Dropback Success Rate

• 2nd Half •
-0.37 EPA/Play
-0.38 EPA/Dropback
31% Success Rate (9 successful plays)
33% Dropback Success Rate



How about the Giants defense made him look bad....there was a reason he played poorly.



Didn’t say the Giants didn’t have a hand in him playing poorly


Then what was your point?
RE: Wow lots of negative today  
HBart : 9/22/2024 7:55 pm : link
In comment 16620167 JOrthman said:
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I didn't expect to read all this.

I'm down on them based on their history, but odd game to be negative after.

Odd is an understatement. If they got outplayed and still won, it wouldn't matter. A win is a win. They outplayed the Skins last week and lost. But as it is they were the better team which is no small thing in Cleveland.

The other guys get paid too. Including $46 million a year for the QB the defense plastered.
That the offense was pretty bad in the second half and let  
ajr2456 : 9/22/2024 7:55 pm : link
Cleveland hang in. Think that’s pretty obvious.
RE: I think alot are blinded by the win  
NYGiantFL007 : 9/22/2024 7:57 pm : link
In comment 16620322 HardTruth said:
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I watched this game at a large party and very few Giants fans

It felt like two teams intentionally throwing the game in that 4Q

I mean the Giants had nothing to do with thaf fumble. Just a botched handoff

Why did Cleveland go for it on 4th & 1 with 4 mins left and their TOs. Giants FG ends it

Yet the Giants starting on the 29 go backwards on 3 plays and miss the FG

Etc etc

This was ineptitude


Here is your lollipop, you understand what it is to watch two bad football teams compete.
 
ryanmkeane : 9/22/2024 8:07 pm : link
My immediate thought is, this team should be 2-1 and hasn’t played that well.
 
ryanmkeane : 9/22/2024 8:08 pm : link
Watson is terrible but that’s a good win today. Not easy to go into Cleveland and get a win. Playoff team last year with a top defense.
RE: RE: Wow lots of negative today  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/22/2024 8:10 pm : link
In comment 16620338 HBart said:
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I didn't expect to read all this.

I'm down on them based on their history, but odd game to be negative after.


Odd is an understatement. If they got outplayed and still won, it wouldn't matter. A win is a win. They outplayed the Skins last week and lost. But as it is they were the better team which is no small thing in Cleveland.

The other guys get paid too. Including $46 million a year for the QB the defense plastered.


This. Winning in Cleveland is a big deal.

And the Giants controlled the lines.
 
ryanmkeane : 9/22/2024 8:15 pm : link
Nobody gave the Giants a chance today. In fact, lots of posters said they wouldn’t even watch the game.

And if we are being honest, the game wasn’t as close as the final score.
RE: RE: RE: Wow lots of negative today  
NYGiantFL007 : 9/22/2024 8:22 pm : link
In comment 16620371 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 16620167 JOrthman said:


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I didn't expect to read all this.

I'm down on them based on their history, but odd game to be negative after.


Odd is an understatement. If they got outplayed and still won, it wouldn't matter. A win is a win. They outplayed the Skins last week and lost. But as it is they were the better team which is no small thing in Cleveland.

The other guys get paid too. Including $46 million a year for the QB the defense plastered.



This. Winning in Cleveland is a big deal.

And the Giants controlled the lines.


There is improvement each week. Uneven for sure, but tangible improvement. Everyone had us losing this game, and we dominated for half the game. None of you honestly expected this.
RE: Wow lots of negative today  
Larry in Pencilvania : 9/22/2024 8:33 pm : link
In comment 16620167 JOrthman said:
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I didn't expect to read all this.

I'm down on them based on their history, but odd game to be negative after.


JOrthman welcome to BBI. My name is Larry and it's a pleasure to meet you
RE: RE: RE: Papa and Banks were questioning Singletary...  
speedywheels : 9/22/2024 8:35 pm : link
In comment 16619646 Mike from Ohio said:
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...then they realized why he gave himself up. It was exactly the right play, and it reflected the situational awareness that was always an unfortunate hole in Barkley's game.



3 times 40 = 2 minutes

Anyone questioning it is wrong



One way is a certain win. The other way is a probable win. It isn’t splitting hairs. Giving himself on the 1 was the correct decision. Great heads up play - the kind Barkley wasn’t ever smart enough to do.


Except he did do it. At least twice that i recall. There is plenty to bang on Barkley about, but let’s not pretend he hasn’t done what singletary did.
RE: That the offense was pretty bad in the second half and let  
speedywheels : 9/22/2024 8:38 pm : link
In comment 16620339 ajr2456 said:
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Cleveland hang in. Think that’s pretty obvious.


And yet you won’t acknowledge that the offense was really good in the first half and gave them a good chance to win.

Lol, you’re so predictable…
RE: RE: That the offense was pretty bad in the second half and let  
ajr2456 : 9/22/2024 8:47 pm : link
In comment 16620432 speedywheels said:
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Cleveland hang in. Think that’s pretty obvious.



And yet you won’t acknowledge that the offense was really good in the first half and gave them a good chance to win.

Lol, you’re so predictable…


That’s funny because I’ve consistently complimented the WRs, said Jones played well in the first half.

But that doesn’t mean they didn’t take a step back in the second half. Multiple things are allowed to be true, know that’s too hard for you to comprehend
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ajr2456 : 9/22/2024 8:48 pm : link
In comment 16620384 ryanmkeane said:
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Nobody gave the Giants a chance today. In fact, lots of posters said they wouldn’t even watch the game.

And if we are being honest, the game wasn’t as close as the final score.


Good to see you back posting.

The game was as close as the final score.
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Larry in Pencilvania : 9/22/2024 8:50 pm : link
In comment 16620453 ajr2456 said:
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Nobody gave the Giants a chance today. In fact, lots of posters said they wouldn’t even watch the game.

And if we are being honest, the game wasn’t as close as the final score.



Good to see you back posting.

The game was as close as the final score.


Come on AJ you know the achy is falling but it's gonna be awesome and there'll be ice cream for everyone.
RE: I think alot are blinded by the win  
jvm52106 : 9/22/2024 8:51 pm : link
In comment 16620322 HardTruth said:
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I watched this game at a large party and very few Giants fans

It felt like two teams intentionally throwing the game in that 4Q

I mean the Giants had nothing to do with thaf fumble. Just a botched handoff

Why did Cleveland go for it on 4th & 1 with 4 mins left and their TOs. Giants FG ends it

Yet the Giants starting on the 29 go backwards on 3 plays and miss the FG

Etc etc

This was ineptitude


I don't seebit that way. It's fine people see what they want..Jones misses Nabers deep that would have been another TD. Giants fumbled stopping another drive..

Giants defense was all over the Browns Oline and Watson
Giants defense  
5BowlsSoon : 9/22/2024 8:53 pm : link
Made me proud. I know Cleve struggled with OL injuries but our DC adapted to exploit their weaknesses……which is what he should have done.

As for Banks…the guy is like a glove…now he has to learn to look back at the QB to track the ball.

Great to see our DL dominate after last week’s no show.

RE: RE: Browns offensive line is a mess and Watson stinks  
Hammer : 9/22/2024 8:53 pm : link
In comment 16620020 RCPhoenix said:
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A win is a win.

I really do not feel any better about this team than I did after the first two games.

Let's see if they are competitive agains a mediocre Cowboys team on Thursday night.

I'm not holding my breath.



You don’t feel any better about the defense?


No, I don't. The Browns O Line is a disaster.

Let's see who shows up on Thursday night.

Like I said, I'm not holding my breath.
The Giants won because they made less shitty plays than the Browns  
ajr2456 : 9/22/2024 8:55 pm : link
And their defense didn’t collapse after giving up a first play touchdown.

A lot of NFL games are won because one team makes less shitty plays. I don’t think there should be any chest thumping and acting like they dominated the Browns. Today turnover luck was in the Giants favor, sometimes it won’t be.
Didn’t look like a team who had quit on their coach either  
OBJ_AllDay : 9/22/2024 8:55 pm : link
These reporters are the worst
RE: RE: RE: Browns offensive line is a mess and Watson stinks  
ajr2456 : 9/22/2024 8:56 pm : link
In comment 16620465 Hammer said:
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A win is a win.

I really do not feel any better about this team than I did after the first two games.

Let's see if they are competitive agains a mediocre Cowboys team on Thursday night.

I'm not holding my breath.



You don’t feel any better about the defense?



No, I don't. The Browns O Line is a disaster.

Let's see who shows up on Thursday night.

Like I said, I'm not holding my breath.


Cautiously optimistic about the defense but I need to see a few games like this before thinking they’ve turned a corner from fine to good.
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