I am not here to blame Schoen or Saquon or get into that part of it (although I hate Saquon's guts now). Just my emotion that after finally a win and I have to read about Saquon and Philly being perfect partners.
Sorry for the venting, but it stinks that one of our homegrown players is basically tearing it up over there sans one drop.
Hast la vista Team Barkley. I look forward to kicking your ass at least once this year.
i think you have it reversed who didnt want who.
Ive said this 100 times. Running backs are icing on the cake. You pay running backs when your cake is good. Philly has a good cake.. Good QB. OL and WR.. THEN you pay a RB.. 49ers.. good cake.. so you PAY CMC..
Giants cake is still in the oven.. we dont know if its good, bad or burnt..
You dont put icing on bad or burnt cake..
Agree, that ship has sailed and we will be OK
This is where I’m at. Correct financial move for NYG but man, Barkley is still really good. Not a peep about his breakaway speed on the 65 yarder either, haha.
As long as Philly doesn't win a SB, that's all that matters. And they won't.
The difference between us and them is we needed him for 17 games. I think Philly, assuming they get AJ Brown back 100%, will look to spell Barkley or even hold him out if banged up, for their playoff push. Something we never had the luxury of doing.
I know you don’t care but I don’t think playing 17 games matters as much, same with CMC in SF.
I get that, but its still really hard seeing a player we drafted basically giving them two wins (although the drop cost them one). It is hard and I hate that team so much and they and their shstain fans are mocking us in real life and on twitter, it just bugs the hell out of me. I know I should see the big picture, but I just cannot.
Maybe. But I think not paying X was a bigger deal for the cap. A re-work here or there could probably have taken place to fit Barkley in.
But it's more about positional value. And he just wasn't worth the financial stretch with his injury history and his age. Sayonara.
I wish him no harm….
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Giving Barkley the money he wanted would have meant that you wouldn't be seeing this OL, because they wouldn't have had the money to make upgrades.
Maybe. But I think not paying X was a bigger deal for the cap. A re-work here or there could probably have taken place to fit Barkley in.
But it's more about positional value. And he just wasn't worth the financial stretch with his injury history and his age. Sayonara.
You say that but is that trend changing with the two high safety look and the passing touchdowns way down it seems like the RB market is going to shift some soon. LIke usual, Philadelphia was ahead of the curve.
And I think he was justified in leaving and where he went and the contract he got
He currently has 350 rush yards , 10 receptions and 5 total TDs while spearheading 2 wins.
He currently leads the NFL in rushing and TDs
Would you restructure a few contracts to defer the cap hits like Philly does and bring back Barkley and keep all the OL too? A better question IMO.
But he’s also someone whose game drops as he gets more and more nicked up over the season. You can say that applies to all RBs, but not really because very few RBs in league history rely on his kind of explosion.
He’ll be a beast for the next few weeks. But I would be surprised if he was anything better than “pretty good” over the last 2 months of the season.
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singletary has been really solid other than the fumbles but i really wish we could see what saquon would have looked like in this offense with nabers and this OL. he is pushing piles for philly and hitting big plays. he has 3 20+ yard rushes and 1 40+ so far. 2nd in the league with 16 first down rushes. averaging 5.6 ypc and 133 typg.
Honestly there have been some runs Singletary has made that I said Barkley wouldn't have done that. We may never see him rip off a 65 yarder but he's been consistent . Helps moves the chains. No dancing in the backfield.
i agree with this. singletary is the better 1 cut runner. the trade offs are barkley's better at pushing the pile and just better at gaining more yards (and big plays).
like i said id be curious to see how he looks in this offense. He has been philly's entire offense this year bc hurts hasnt been good without AJB. the giants offense has actually been the better unit probably, barkley aside.
But he’s also someone whose game drops as he gets more and more nicked up over the season. You can say that applies to all RBs, but not really because very few RBs in league history rely on his kind of explosion.
He’ll be a beast for the next few weeks. But I would be surprised if he was anything better than “pretty good” over the last 2 months of the season.
We don’t yet know how better personnel plays into this. While I expect him to get dinged, he now has a lot more help and a lot more reason to leave it all on the line when the time comes. He flat out carried us in 2022, for example. It’s really not sustainable when you are the sole focus for defenses.
Saquon should have been signed on a 3/39 deal after 2022 and Jones tagged
The Giants then should have traded Saquon in year 1 of 3 by the deadline on what proved to be a market value contract and they could have controlled where he went
That is what should have happened and most NFL GMs would have done
Instead Schoen was worried about tagging Jones and some NFL team would plunk down 2 firsts while offering a deal the Giants would not match (which is insane)
And that Saquons value was 8 mil and that he wasnt getting that much money as he said on Hard Knocks . Which of course he did
That’s how off our GM is and imagine where we could be if he took the other path (not saddled with Jones contract and an extra pick)
this is a cop out excuse.
the reason they dont have barkley is not the cap, its because joe schoen didnt think any RB was worth the amount he got. they could have easily afforded it 100 different ways.
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Barkley is an excellent player when he’s healthy.
But he’s also someone whose game drops as he gets more and more nicked up over the season. You can say that applies to all RBs, but not really because very few RBs in league history rely on his kind of explosion.
He’ll be a beast for the next few weeks. But I would be surprised if he was anything better than “pretty good” over the last 2 months of the season.
We don’t yet know how better personnel plays into this. While I expect him to get dinged, he now has a lot more help and a lot more reason to leave it all on the line when the time comes. He flat out carried us in 2022, for example. It’s really not sustainable when you are the sole focus for defenses.
Definitely a fair point. We’ll see.
I legitimately like him as a person so I’m not rooting for him personally to fail, just for the Eagles to lose like always.
If you dont like him then root for Singletary.
i think they probably beat washington without the singletary fumble so yes. it should have been a win any way for several other reasons, but that was 1 of them.
The Saints secondary is not going to want to watch the film of the game. They were keystone cops bad on Barkley's TD and the big pass to the TE at the end of the game.
I agree it annoying that Barkley is in the NFC east but at his price I'd rather him be in Philadelphia than New Jersey at this point of his career.
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our current record is different if Barkley was still here?
i think they probably beat washington without the singletary fumble so yes. it should have been a win any way for several other reasons, but that was 1 of them.
That presupposes we score a TD on that drive. I can't make that leap. Unless you want to convince me Barkley has the ability to kick FGs and make extra points...
So, there are more plausible reasons we lost that game...
Nabers drop, the putrid D, coaching, etc.
For the past couple of years, we heard how selecting Barkley with the #2 pick was fucking stupid.
We heard how paying him what he was asking is also stupid because we could replace his production for a lot less.
We heard how he tiptoes and does not hit the hole.
We heard how he is made of glass and is hurt too much.
Well, the GM also knew this and made the right decision. Now, people are second guessing this because he is with Philly who also happens to have a better OL and overall team which will help Barkley to succeed.
You cannot control who he goes to. Next, people wished we got something in return. Without signing him to a contract, he had no trade value at the deadline last year unless it was to a team that felt he could get them a championship. Take a look at the teams near the top and none of them needed a Barkley rental. Maybe they watched the same games that we did.
Stop looking at what Barkley is doing with Philly. It is the same as checking to see who your old girlfriend is fucking. Who cares? You broke up with her.
We have successfully replaced Barkley's production on a per dollar basis. In fact, if you do the math.. we are ahead with what we are paying Motor vs what we would have paid Barkley.
The amount of people who bitch about his salary as if it is coming out of their pocket is hilarious.
Schoen didnt want to pay him and Barkley didnt want to sign for less. Has happened before and will happen again.
I think is a superior player to Singletary and his skills will look better in Philly.
As much as I wanted him here because you generally win with more better players, for roster building he was down on the list. Ultimately the right thing to do was let him go
I wish him no harm….
+1
For the past couple of years, we heard how selecting Barkley with the #2 pick was fucking stupid.
We heard how paying him what he was asking is also stupid because we could replace his production for a lot less.
We heard how he tiptoes and does not hit the hole.
We heard how he is made of glass and is hurt too much.
Well, the GM also knew this and made the right decision. Now, people are second guessing this because he is with Philly who also happens to have a better OL and overall team which will help Barkley to succeed.
You cannot control who he goes to. Next, people wished we got something in return. Without signing him to a contract, he had no trade value at the deadline last year unless it was to a team that felt he could get them a championship. Take a look at the teams near the top and none of them needed a Barkley rental. Maybe they watched the same games that we did.
Stop looking at what Barkley is doing with Philly. It is the same as checking to see who your old girlfriend is fucking. Who cares? You broke up with her.
We have successfully replaced Barkley's production on a per dollar basis. In fact, if you do the math.. we are ahead with what we are paying Motor vs what we would have paid Barkley.
Some of these things just aren't true, but are repeated ad nauseum here. First off, Barkley was badly hurt in season 3. After coming back he played in 43 of 51 games in the three season after. In the two seasons before injury he started 29 of 32. I would put the numbers outside of the injury season up against any RB in the NFL, and this was done by being the workhorse and taking a pounding regularly.
Also he doesn't dance or tiptoe, the Giants OL didn't block. You don't see him dancing in Philly, he is hitting the holes hard. When you get the handoff and the DL is standing there waiting for you, because they key on Barkley, what should he do? Run into their stomach, kneel down,? Its normal to try and create a little space rather than get destroyed.
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and people seem to have amnesia...
For the past couple of years, we heard how selecting Barkley with the #2 pick was fucking stupid.
We heard how paying him what he was asking is also stupid because we could replace his production for a lot less.
We heard how he tiptoes and does not hit the hole.
We heard how he is made of glass and is hurt too much.
Well, the GM also knew this and made the right decision. Now, people are second guessing this because he is with Philly who also happens to have a better OL and overall team which will help Barkley to succeed.
You cannot control who he goes to. Next, people wished we got something in return. Without signing him to a contract, he had no trade value at the deadline last year unless it was to a team that felt he could get them a championship. Take a look at the teams near the top and none of them needed a Barkley rental. Maybe they watched the same games that we did.
Stop looking at what Barkley is doing with Philly. It is the same as checking to see who your old girlfriend is fucking. Who cares? You broke up with her.
We have successfully replaced Barkley's production on a per dollar basis. In fact, if you do the math.. we are ahead with what we are paying Motor vs what we would have paid Barkley.
Some of these things just aren't true, but are repeated ad nauseum here. First off, Barkley was badly hurt in season 3. After coming back he played in 43 of 51 games in the three season after. In the two seasons before injury he started 29 of 32. I would put the numbers outside of the injury season up against any RB in the NFL, and this was done by being the workhorse and taking a pounding regularly.
Also he doesn't dance or tiptoe, the Giants OL didn't block. You don't see him dancing in Philly, he is hitting the holes hard. When you get the handoff and the DL is standing there waiting for you, because they key on Barkley, what should he do? Run into their stomach, kneel down,? Its normal to try and create a little space rather than get destroyed.
Patterson, I am not saying my list was "true". It was the common theme and what people were complaining about. So, now people have seller's remorse when they had all of these issues (true or not) with Barkley before.
It took a while for him to get to that point though, sounded to me like he had enough after several years of wanting to be here with a new deal.
the contract barkley offered the giants when they last negotiated in july 2023 was lower than what he ended up getting (plus he got the giants $10m tag).
schoen didnt want barkley back. if he wanted him back all he had to do was offer him a contract. he didnt do that.
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and people seem to have amnesia...
For the past couple of years, we heard how selecting Barkley with the #2 pick was fucking stupid.
We heard how paying him what he was asking is also stupid because we could replace his production for a lot less.
We heard how he tiptoes and does not hit the hole.
We heard how he is made of glass and is hurt too much.
Well, the GM also knew this and made the right decision. Now, people are second guessing this because he is with Philly who also happens to have a better OL and overall team which will help Barkley to succeed.
You cannot control who he goes to. Next, people wished we got something in return. Without signing him to a contract, he had no trade value at the deadline last year unless it was to a team that felt he could get them a championship. Take a look at the teams near the top and none of them needed a Barkley rental. Maybe they watched the same games that we did.
Stop looking at what Barkley is doing with Philly. It is the same as checking to see who your old girlfriend is fucking. Who cares? You broke up with her.
We have successfully replaced Barkley's production on a per dollar basis. In fact, if you do the math.. we are ahead with what we are paying Motor vs what we would have paid Barkley.
Some of these things just aren't true, but are repeated ad nauseum here. First off, Barkley was badly hurt in season 3. After coming back he played in 43 of 51 games in the three season after. In the two seasons before injury he started 29 of 32. I would put the numbers outside of the injury season up against any RB in the NFL, and this was done by being the workhorse and taking a pounding regularly.
Also he doesn't dance or tiptoe, the Giants OL didn't block. You don't see him dancing in Philly, he is hitting the holes hard. When you get the handoff and the DL is standing there waiting for you, because they key on Barkley, what should he do? Run into their stomach, kneel down,? Its normal to try and create a little space rather than get destroyed.
Patterson, I am not saying my list was "true". It was the common theme and what people were complaining about. So, now people have seller's remorse when they had all of these issues (true or not) with Barkley before.
Oh, sorry. I missed the tone. Now I get the gist and I agree. Everyone hates our players when they are here, McKinney too. The grass is always greener I guess.