I've touched on this before, but it's remarkable how Daniel Jones continues to be a significantly better QB on the road:
32 games
39 TDs
14 INTs
6.94 A/YA
If those were Jones's standard numbers across all settings, we'd be feeling pretty ok. It's not Mahomes or Allen, but it's a classic profile of an efficient game manager ala Chiefs Alex Smith.
Contrast this with his home numbers:
31 games
27 TDs
28 INTs
5.57 A/YA
I don't know what's going on here, but it's been there for most of his career. Look at his first two starts: lights it up against the Bucs on the road, then he played an equally crappy Washington team next week and looked much shakier.
He could go a long way by putting together a good performance against Dallas, not only addressing his home woes but also primetime games. To be fair, he was decent at home in parts of 2021 and 2022, but his only really monster statistical game was against the Colts.
- 3.64 second average time to throw (career-high)
- only 22% of passing yards coming after the catch (career-low)
- 328 air yards (2nd-highest career mark)
- 4 dropped passes (career-high)
🟥TruMedia's charting gave Purdy zero off-target throws, even with a 10.7-yard aDOT
🟥Purdy was pressured 18 times and only sacked once
🟥Finished with a 0.35 EPA per dropback rate even without Deebo/Kittle/CMC, the eighth-highest of his career.
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Brock Purdy in his first game without Deebo Samuel + George Kittle + Christian McCaffrey:
- 3.64 second average time to throw (career-high)
- only 22% of passing yards coming after the catch (career-low)
- 328 air yards (2nd-highest career mark)
- 4 dropped passes (career-high)
🟥TruMedia's charting gave Purdy zero off-target throws, even with a 10.7-yard aDOT
🟥Purdy was pressured 18 times and only sacked once
🟥Finished with a 0.35 EPA per dropback rate even without Deebo/Kittle/CMC, the eighth-highest of his career.
Everywhere else: 11/24 (46%)
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They only used on the road?
I can't think of any, but I'm sure they wished they could have pitched Sonny Gray only on the road.
Kenny Rogers?
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Brock Purdy in his first game without Deebo Samuel + George Kittle + Christian McCaffrey:
- 3.64 second average time to throw (career-high)
- only 22% of passing yards coming after the catch (career-low)
- 328 air yards (2nd-highest career mark)
- 4 dropped passes (career-high)
🟥TruMedia's charting gave Purdy zero off-target throws, even with a 10.7-yard aDOT
🟥Purdy was pressured 18 times and only sacked once
🟥Finished with a 0.35 EPA per dropback rate even without Deebo/Kittle/CMC, the eighth-highest of his career.
And what's the 49ers record? Oh that's right, the same as the Giants. You see what happens when an elite talent like McCaffery is missing? Team's lose games. I guess only Jones is allowed to get criticized when he loses without enough studs around him. And The the Giants would be 2-1 of they had a kicker.
Would you like to make a wager on which team has a better record by the time CMC returns?
Everywhere else: 11/24 (46%)
Wow quarterbacks have a better completion percentage on short and intermediate throws than they do long throws? Novel stuff you are giving us here.
The data shows the scheme and how teams are going to start defending it. Sorry it hurts your feelings. Jones stinks but not because of that data. We saw a 2022 smoke and mirrors type offense the last two weeks, it likely won’t last long.
Do you want us to give Jones a trophy for completing a basic 5 yard pass to his best player? The Giants are better because of the Nabers side of the connection. You can change out the other side of the connection and run a similar scheme and the results would be pretty identical.
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In the short/middle: 12/12
Everywhere else: 11/24 (46%)
Wow quarterbacks have a better completion percentage on short and intermediate throws than they do long throws? Novel stuff you are giving us here.
He’s completing 55% of his passes to Nabers from anywhere else on the field from 0-19 passes. 50% on intermediate throws. It’s not much better.
It’s clear what the scheme is, and other teams have 3 games of film on it.
You’re easily fooled.
On all other parts of the field beyond the LOS he’s completing only 50% of his passes for 257 yards on 46 attempts.
The scheme so far is remedial and predictable, much like it was in 2022. It worked against one of the worst defenses in the league (2022!) and a one of the worst tackling defenses in the league so far this year.
Let’s see how other teams begin to adjust to this.
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In comment 16621429 ajr2456 said:
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Brock Purdy in his first game without Deebo Samuel + George Kittle + Christian McCaffrey:
- 3.64 second average time to throw (career-high)
- only 22% of passing yards coming after the catch (career-low)
- 328 air yards (2nd-highest career mark)
- 4 dropped passes (career-high)
🟥TruMedia's charting gave Purdy zero off-target throws, even with a 10.7-yard aDOT
🟥Purdy was pressured 18 times and only sacked once
🟥Finished with a 0.35 EPA per dropback rate even without Deebo/Kittle/CMC, the eighth-highest of his career.
And what's the 49ers record? Oh that's right, the same as the Giants. You see what happens when an elite talent like McCaffery is missing? Team's lose games. I guess only Jones is allowed to get criticized when he loses without enough studs around him. And The the Giants would be 2-1 of they had a kicker.
Would you like to make a wager on which team has a better record by the time CMC returns?
4th in the league in Pass QBR right now. Something to build on.
Jones is 17th in QBR through three weeks.
He's 8th so far with just week 3.
If you use the stat beloved by some on BBI (YPA), 12 of Jones 16 best games are on the road. It’s almost impossible to have that kind of differential without domes being heavily involved.
Jones is 17th in QBR through three weeks.
He's 8th so far with just week 3.
17th in QBR translates to "Daniel had an excellent rebound season in 2024 and we look forward to seeing what he can do with this talented receiving core in 2025," though hopefully with Millroe, Allar, Dart etc. waiting in the wings.
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But I will also add that it's rare to see this type dichotomy for any NFL QB between home and the road, and typically, it's the other way around, ie a dome QB is worse outdoors on the road. Ironically, Mahomes is worse at home, but it's the difference between "unreal" and "very good."
If you use the stat beloved by some on BBI (YPA), 12 of Jones 16 best games are on the road. It’s almost impossible to have that kind of differential without domes being heavily involved.
Yup. It was such a stark contrast that I became convinced that there was maybe something with the meadowlands environment that accounted for it. Then I looked up Eli and Simms' career splits and there was barely any difference between home and away. Collins was worse at home but only slightly.
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He has improved week to week. Not for nothing but week 1 was his first full game action coming back from ACL and a long break of real football play. Bullets were flying and he had not adjusted yet.
4th in the league in Pass QBR right now. Something to build on.
Jones is 17th in QBR through three weeks.
He's 8th so far with just week 3.
Correct, but he’s 4th in Pass QBR which is what I was referring to.
Cool. Meaningless stat. They’ve played 3 games.
You’re easily fooled.
I’m not easily fooled by anything. You’re the guy who is posting like crazy today trying to defend your Jones sucks position. The rest of us are looking forward to Thursday.
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He’s at 57% to all WRs beyond the LOS, excluding the short/center area.
Cool. Meaningless stat. They’ve played 3 games.
So you agree Sunday is meaningless then?
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The offense during the 6-2 start smoke and mirrors. Then Jones was bad the rest of the way outside of Minnesota/Colts and those people were right.
You’re easily fooled.
I’m not easily fooled by anything. You’re the guy who is posting like crazy today trying to defend your Jones sucks position. The rest of us are looking forward to Thursday.
The stats are showing the scheme. Sorry you don’t have actual football discussions and are prancing around with your “Jones is good see week 1 was a mirage” thing.
You are easily fooled. You were fooled by 2022, you were fooled by Arizona, and you getting fooled by yesterday.
One was a decent performance against probably the worst pass defense in the league.
One was a very good half against a decent defense followed by a mediocre half.
Yay?
One was a decent performance against probably the worst pass defense in the league.
One was a very good half against a decent defense followed by a mediocre half.
Yay?
It’s wild you can’t discuss the scheme and how inefficient Jones has been not throwing to Nabers in one spot on the field without being accused of a narrative, by someone who has been pushing a false narrative for 6 years.
I would think discussing the scheme and what’s being done is focusing on Thursday but apparently Chief of Thoughts and Feelings knows what every one else is thinking and feeling.
So as an "ok" QB, with the surrounding talent, it's reasonable to think the Giants can win 6 or 7 games. Maybe 8, maybe 5. Not 2, and not 12.
That number of wins won't put them in prime drafting position, so they'll have decisions to make. Even if they sell the farm and move up to draft some hot shot, Jones is still likely the starter while the hot shot learns the game.
One was a decent performance against probably the worst pass defense in the league, a team Jones has a very good history against..
One was a very good half against a decent defense followed by a mediocre half.
Yay?
I made one important edit.
Yards/play: 25th
Net Yards/pass attempt: 27th
Yards/Completion: 24th
Passer rating: 24th
Expected points added by passing offense: 23rd
Same old, same old.
One was a decent performance against probably the worst pass defense in the league.
One was a very good half against a decent defense followed by a mediocre half.
Yay?
The Browns have a "decent defense." We can critique Jones without just making stuff up. They had the No. 1 ranked defense last year.
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One was an unmitigated disaster.
One was a decent performance against probably the worst pass defense in the league.
One was a very good half against a decent defense followed by a mediocre half.
Yay?
The Browns have a "decent defense." We can critique Jones without just making stuff up. They had the No. 1 ranked defense last year.
They’ve been pretty average so far this year against the pass and in the bottom third in the league tackling.
7th in run defense
23rd in tackling
2nd in pass rush
14th in coverage
Which correlates with the Giants success after the catch
Yards/play: 25th
Net Yards/pass attempt: 27th
Yards/Completion: 24th
Passer rating: 24th
Expected points added by passing offense: 23rd
Same old, same old.
Sounds like we need some more weapons.
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Points scored: 27th (likely 30th after tonight's games)
Yards/play: 25th
Net Yards/pass attempt: 27th
Yards/Completion: 24th
Passer rating: 24th
Expected points added by passing offense: 23rd
Same old, same old.
Sounds like we need some more weapons.
You know that's where this is going. I wonder if there's a futures bet on the Giants drafting a running back high in the second round next April.
Unless a vastly superior OL and wr group changes things.
Oh sorry not allowed to account for that.
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Brock Purdy in his first game without Deebo Samuel + George Kittle + Christian McCaffrey:
- 3.64 second average time to throw (career-high)
- only 22% of passing yards coming after the catch (career-low)
- 328 air yards (2nd-highest career mark)
- 4 dropped passes (career-high)
🟥TruMedia's charting gave Purdy zero off-target throws, even with a 10.7-yard aDOT
🟥Purdy was pressured 18 times and only sacked once
🟥Finished with a 0.35 EPA per dropback rate even without Deebo/Kittle/CMC, the eighth-highest of his career.
In a loss.
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Getting fooled by yesterday though. It’s the Arizona game all over again.
Unless a vastly superior OL and wr group changes things.
Oh sorry not allowed to account for that.
Facts don’t matter when you have a narrative.
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Getting fooled by yesterday though. It’s the Arizona game all over again.
Unless a vastly superior OL and wr group changes things.
Oh sorry not allowed to account for that.
And with that he’s played one good half of football through 3 games.
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Brock Purdy in his first game without Deebo Samuel + George Kittle + Christian McCaffrey:
- 3.64 second average time to throw (career-high)
- only 22% of passing yards coming after the catch (career-low)
- 328 air yards (2nd-highest career mark)
- 4 dropped passes (career-high)
🟥TruMedia's charting gave Purdy zero off-target throws, even with a 10.7-yard aDOT
🟥Purdy was pressured 18 times and only sacked once
🟥Finished with a 0.35 EPA per dropback rate even without Deebo/Kittle/CMC, the eighth-highest of his career.
In a loss.
I thought it’s a team sport? Can you guys make up your mind?
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One was an unmitigated disaster.
One was a decent performance against probably the worst pass defense in the league.
One was a very good half against a decent defense followed by a mediocre half.
Yay?
The Browns have a "decent defense." We can critique Jones without just making stuff up. They had the No. 1 ranked defense last year.
They’ve been pretty average so far this year against the pass and in the bottom third in the league tackling.
7th in run defense
23rd in tackling
2nd in pass rush
14th in coverage
Which correlates with the Giants success after the catch
Thye gave up 281 yards to Dallas and a little over 300 to Jax. That's still pretty good
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Getting fooled by yesterday though. It’s the Arizona game all over again.
Unless a vastly superior OL and wr group changes things.
Oh sorry not allowed to account for that.
And with that he’s played one good half of football through 3 games.
No. You missed the DC game. Naturally.
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Getting fooled by yesterday though. It’s the Arizona game all over again.
Unless a vastly superior OL and wr group changes things.
Oh sorry not allowed to account for that.
And with that he’s played one good half of football through 3 games.
No. You missed the DC game. Naturally.
Those were decent, not good. There’s a difference
Posters absolutely going manic in an effort to diminish a Jones led NYG victory. The first victory of the season no less. Then trying to claim they’re the victim and being attacked by posters who are fooled again by smoke and mirrors.
If I was retired or could somehow “work” and post all day every day, I’d love to see how many posts have been made since halftime yesterday and then what percentage of those posts are by these guys working so hard to diminish.
Be nice if it did happen this Thursday.
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Brock Purdy in his first game without Deebo Samuel + George Kittle + Christian McCaffrey:
- 3.64 second average time to throw (career-high)
- only 22% of passing yards coming after the catch (career-low)
- 328 air yards (2nd-highest career mark)
- 4 dropped passes (career-high)
🟥TruMedia's charting gave Purdy zero off-target throws, even with a 10.7-yard aDOT
🟥Purdy was pressured 18 times and only sacked once
🟥Finished with a 0.35 EPA per dropback rate even without Deebo/Kittle/CMC, the eighth-highest of his career.
And what's the 49ers record? Oh that's right, the same as the Giants. You see what happens when an elite talent like McCaffery is missing? Team's lose games. I guess only Jones is allowed to get criticized when he loses without enough studs around him. And The the Giants would be 2-1 of they had a kicker.
Without an elite talent like McCaffery, Purdy threw threw TDs to a WR taken in the seventh round.
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I wonder if there's a futures bet on the Giants drafting a running back high in the second round next April.
A RB in round 2 following a pass-catching TE in round one might not be a bad way to go. Make CB a priority in free agency.
Check the premise of my thread and consider that we'll likely be talking about benching Jones again on Friday morning rather than speculating on wasting not only one, but two premium draft picks to get more weapons for him.
Related: check Jayden's performance last night with a couple of castoffs at RB and cooked Zach Ertz.
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In comment 16621845 Go Terps said:
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I wonder if there's a futures bet on the Giants drafting a running back high in the second round next April.
A RB in round 2 following a pass-catching TE in round one might not be a bad way to go. Make CB a priority in free agency.
Check the premise of my thread and consider that we'll likely be talking about benching Jones again on Friday morning rather than speculating on wasting not only one, but two premium draft picks to get more weapons for him.
Related: check Jayden's performance last night with a couple of castoffs at RB and cooked Zach Ertz.
Are you suggesting that instead of a team of guys making an average QB look good, a QB can make a team of average players look good?
Woah...
If you're so good you can suck up that much cap, elevate others.
If you're so good you can suck up that much cap, elevate others.
What a horrendous comparison