the 2 throws to nabers where he had to play the role of DB. im not sure the int negated by penalty counts as a turnover worthy play but it may have.
also probably penalized for off target throws on both of the late game passes to nabers and wandale, plus the earlier pass to nabers he missed.
seems a little severe since that covers almost all of his incompletions over the entire game. id have expected his grade to fall in his normal range from PFF because it was a pretty middle of the road jones performance so this seems a little lower than expected.
Having nothing to do with Jones -- make the grade anonymous -- how the "Giants QB" grade was somewhere in the 70s against DC but 50% lower yesterday. It would help their credibility to explain how that is.
ok im a PFF defender bc usually i can figure out why a grade is off
and there's an understandable explanation but this one is weird. i have no idea how they arrived at the conclusion of this game being graded lower than the minnesota game.
they only had him down for 1 turnover worthy play meanwhile it was his highest comp and adj comp% of the season, highest y/a, highest passer rating, and also lowest P2S. most 1st downs and most yards. weird grade, im not sure how much different that performance was than the Washington performance and he was under a lot more pressure.
here's the pressures and it's pretty remarkable - 51% under pressure
and that was with cleveland only blitzing 28% of the time. both tds were under pressure (took a huge hit as he released ball on the first td).
like i said usually PFF makes sense when you dig in on the raw inputs, this one is a little wonky. his numbers when kept clean were almost perfect (14/17 with 1 drop, 8 first downs).
Jones was terrible against Minnesota. No comparison with yesterday's game even with the two near misses on INTs.
I have always been suspicious of the subjectivity of the PFF grades. Andrew Thomas had a tough game against what may be the best DL other than Lawrence right now.
distaste for Jones's QB play, but I can't wrap my head around that PFF score. That's a real punitive score.
I wonder if they are considering the impact of the INT that was over-turned. Or they viewed his second half as a complete disaster grade wise..??
it doesnt look like they counted the non-INT because they only had him down for 1 turnover worthy play. I'd imagine it was the ball where Nabers moss'd emerson, but could have been the play where his arm got hit (they have that counted as 1 throw where his arm was hit - HAT).
RE: ok im a PFF defender bc usually i can figure out why a grade is off
and there's an understandable explanation but this one is weird. i have no idea how they arrived at the conclusion of this game being graded lower than the minnesota game.
they only had him down for 1 turnover worthy play meanwhile it was his highest comp and adj comp% of the season, highest y/a, highest passer rating, and also lowest P2S. most 1st downs and most yards. weird grade, im not sure how much different that performance was than the Washington performance and he was under a lot more pressure.
I think it’s the combo of the higher TWP% and the lower BTT throw percentages. I think those are heavily weighted in the overall grade.
Which is understandable he went 1 on 1 with very little help against the arguably the best defensive end in the league.
Cleveland has a top 10 defense and the offense performed really well.
It lacks context. Myles Garrett is the best defensive player in the NFL. Thomas was 1v1 against him most of the game. Not many teams would even put their LT in that position. Thomas was effective enough for the Giants to operate without help.
It lacks context. Myles Garrett is the best defensive player in the NFL. Thomas was 1v1 against him most of the game. Not many teams would even put their LT in that position. Thomas was effective enough for the Giants to operate without help.
yeah im not sure if they do it or not, but since the opponents are obviously also graded players, there should be some kind of weighted score that accounts for the value of the player you go up against.
a 95% pass block efficiency against garrett from my point of view would be a far more valuable performance than a 100% against someone like ximines.
RE: ok im a PFF defender bc usually i can figure out why a grade is off
and there's an understandable explanation but this one is weird. i have no idea how they arrived at the conclusion of this game being graded lower than the minnesota game.
they only had him down for 1 turnover worthy play meanwhile it was his highest comp and adj comp% of the season, highest y/a, highest passer rating, and also lowest P2S. most 1st downs and most yards. weird grade, im not sure how much different that performance was than the Washington performance and he was under a lot more pressure.
Da fuck? DJ had a better passing game against the Vikings than he did against the Browns? How does that make sense?
and there's an understandable explanation but this one is weird. i have no idea how they arrived at the conclusion of this game being graded lower than the minnesota game.
they only had him down for 1 turnover worthy play meanwhile it was his highest comp and adj comp% of the season, highest y/a, highest passer rating, and also lowest P2S. most 1st downs and most yards. weird grade, im not sure how much different that performance was than the Washington performance and he was under a lot more pressure.
Da fuck? DJ had a better passing game against the Vikings than he did against the Browns? How does that make sense?
that one goes beyond me. i can usually see both sides but that one escapes me.
That Flores D in Minnesota has now befuddled Jones, Purdy and Stroud through three weeks.
Stroud basically said at his post-game presser that Flores' D was doing high level things he couldn't decipher at all.
I never expected to be typing this but the Vikings are playing as if they're the best team in football right now, even with Darnold at QB. That loss isn't looking nearly as bad at the moment.
That Flores D in Minnesota has now befuddled Jones, Purdy and Stroud through three weeks.
Stroud basically said at his post-game presser that Flores' D was doing high level things he couldn't decipher at all.
I never expected to be typing this but the Vikings are playing as if they're the best team in football right now, even with Darnold at QB. That loss isn't looking nearly as bad at the moment.
It's like a football Twilight Zone episode. KOC can flat-out coach offensive football.
Hell, a strong case can be made that Darnold is the league MVP right now.
I love PFF but have issues with the QB rating system.
I think their system leads to overrating 'game-manager' type throws (and QBs), where the throws are conservative and safe. Conversely, I think it sort of penalizes gunslingers, which I prefer to game managers. PFF hated 2015 Eli, for example. Or look at Jones yesterday: that throw to Nabers wasn't great, but you have to trust your starts and let them make a play. I think it was a smart play by Jones there.
Last point: the value of truly great plays is exponential and it's hard to quantify some of those. Eli's throw to Manningham in SB46, for example.
DJ’s numbers when blitzed or under pressure were awful. those numbers are averaged out against how he performed with a clean pocket.
in sum, he still can’t read defenses, and when he’s under pressure, he makes bad decisions. the fact that he completed dinks and dunks to his 1st read lots of times doesn’t mean he had a good QB game. it means he was an effective game manager and didn’t lose the game for us.
That felt high, but this PFF score feels really low. Are you sure that's right? What's the pass/run split?
also probably penalized for off target throws on both of the late game passes to nabers and wandale, plus the earlier pass to nabers he missed.
seems a little severe since that covers almost all of his incompletions over the entire game. id have expected his grade to fall in his normal range from PFF because it was a pretty middle of the road jones performance so this seems a little lower than expected.
they only had him down for 1 turnover worthy play meanwhile it was his highest comp and adj comp% of the season, highest y/a, highest passer rating, and also lowest P2S. most 1st downs and most yards. weird grade, im not sure how much different that performance was than the Washington performance and he was under a lot more pressure.
like i said usually PFF makes sense when you dig in on the raw inputs, this one is a little wonky. his numbers when kept clean were almost perfect (14/17 with 1 drop, 8 first downs).
I wonder if they are considering the impact of the INT that was over-turned. Or they viewed his second half as a complete disaster grade wise..??
I have always been suspicious of the subjectivity of the PFF grades. Andrew Thomas had a tough game against what may be the best DL other than Lawrence right now.
I wonder if they are considering the impact of the INT that was over-turned. Or they viewed his second half as a complete disaster grade wise..??
it doesnt look like they counted the non-INT because they only had him down for 1 turnover worthy play. I'd imagine it was the ball where Nabers moss'd emerson, but could have been the play where his arm got hit (they have that counted as 1 throw where his arm was hit - HAT).
they only had him down for 1 turnover worthy play meanwhile it was his highest comp and adj comp% of the season, highest y/a, highest passer rating, and also lowest P2S. most 1st downs and most yards. weird grade, im not sure how much different that performance was than the Washington performance and he was under a lot more pressure.
I think it’s the combo of the higher TWP% and the lower BTT throw percentages. I think those are heavily weighted in the overall grade.
Cleveland has a top 10 defense and the offense performed really well.
It lacks context. Myles Garrett is the best defensive player in the NFL. Thomas was 1v1 against him most of the game. Not many teams would even put their LT in that position. Thomas was effective enough for the Giants to operate without help.
It lacks context. Myles Garrett is the best defensive player in the NFL. Thomas was 1v1 against him most of the game. Not many teams would even put their LT in that position. Thomas was effective enough for the Giants to operate without help.
yeah im not sure if they do it or not, but since the opponents are obviously also graded players, there should be some kind of weighted score that accounts for the value of the player you go up against.
a 95% pass block efficiency against garrett from my point of view would be a far more valuable performance than a 100% against someone like ximines.
they only had him down for 1 turnover worthy play meanwhile it was his highest comp and adj comp% of the season, highest y/a, highest passer rating, and also lowest P2S. most 1st downs and most yards. weird grade, im not sure how much different that performance was than the Washington performance and he was under a lot more pressure.
Da fuck? DJ had a better passing game against the Vikings than he did against the Browns? How does that make sense?
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and there's an understandable explanation but this one is weird. i have no idea how they arrived at the conclusion of this game being graded lower than the minnesota game.
they only had him down for 1 turnover worthy play meanwhile it was his highest comp and adj comp% of the season, highest y/a, highest passer rating, and also lowest P2S. most 1st downs and most yards. weird grade, im not sure how much different that performance was than the Washington performance and he was under a lot more pressure.
Da fuck? DJ had a better passing game against the Vikings than he did against the Browns? How does that make sense?
that one goes beyond me. i can usually see both sides but that one escapes me.
Stroud basically said at his post-game presser that Flores' D was doing high level things he couldn't decipher at all.
Stroud basically said at his post-game presser that Flores' D was doing high level things he couldn't decipher at all.
I never expected to be typing this but the Vikings are playing as if they're the best team in football right now, even with Darnold at QB. That loss isn't looking nearly as bad at the moment.
Stroud basically said at his post-game presser that Flores' D was doing high level things he couldn't decipher at all.
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That Flores D in Minnesota has now befuddled Jones, Purdy and Stroud through three weeks.
Stroud basically said at his post-game presser that Flores' D was doing high level things he couldn't decipher at all.
I never expected to be typing this but the Vikings are playing as if they're the best team in football right now, even with Darnold at QB. That loss isn't looking nearly as bad at the moment.
It's like a football Twilight Zone episode. KOC can flat-out coach offensive football.
Hell, a strong case can be made that Darnold is the league MVP right now.
I think their system leads to overrating 'game-manager' type throws (and QBs), where the throws are conservative and safe. Conversely, I think it sort of penalizes gunslingers, which I prefer to game managers. PFF hated 2015 Eli, for example. Or look at Jones yesterday: that throw to Nabers wasn't great, but you have to trust your starts and let them make a play. I think it was a smart play by Jones there.
Last point: the value of truly great plays is exponential and it's hard to quantify some of those. Eli's throw to Manningham in SB46, for example.
My circle of friends have referred to him as DJ8 since he put on a Giants jersey. Force of habit.
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That felt high, but this PFF score feels really low. Are you sure that's right? What's the pass/run split?
Didn't I see a 109 QB rating right after the game?
in sum, he still can’t read defenses, and when he’s under pressure, he makes bad decisions. the fact that he completed dinks and dunks to his 1st read lots of times doesn’t mean he had a good QB game. it means he was an effective game manager and didn’t lose the game for us.
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72+ for QBR, which is very good.
That felt high, but this PFF score feels really low. Are you sure that's right? What's the pass/run split?
Didn't I see a 109 QB rating right after the game?
I would guess you are thinking of Passer Rating.
QBR is a grading system, developed by ESPN, that is on a 0-100 scale, with 50 being average.
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72+ for QBR, which is very good.
That felt high, but this PFF score feels really low. Are you sure that's right? What's the pass/run split?
Didn't I see a 109 QB rating right after the game?
I would guess you are thinking of Passer Rating.
QBR is a grading system, developed by ESPN, that is on a 0-100 scale, with 50 being average.
Right, thank you.
Stroud basically said at his post-game presser that Flores' D was doing high level things he couldn't decipher at all.
I don’t know about head coach, but the guy can sure coach D.
And now Garrett just monstered him in a different way.
Dexter Lawrence is great. Andrew Thomas is very good imo.