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Some interesting defensive #'s from PFF

Eric on Li : 9/23/2024 12:18 pm
burns and lawrence leading the way not a surprise, but nice to see DJD and Chatman both grade out this well.

36 pressures as a team put watson under pressure on 44% of his plays and he was just 3 for 12 for 33 yards on those 21 drop backs.

3 stops from cordale flott and 4 from mcfadden.

pinnock and nubin looking like a solid combo at safety.

okereke a little disappointing in his grade, eye test he has not been nearly as active as he seemed last year.

need more out of banks, belton, thibs.

We need Phillips  
GoDeep13 : 9/23/2024 12:28 pm : link
Back. He might be the 2nd best CB on this team already
RE: We need Phillips  
Eric on Li : 9/23/2024 12:35 pm : link
In comment 16621267 GoDeep13 said:
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Back. He might be the 2nd best CB on this team already


i think there's some argument 2nd might be too low. banks needs to learn how to play the ball or at least better disrupt at the catch point. that was a real bad game for him.
This Chatman thing is really  
cosmicj : 9/23/2024 12:44 pm : link
Intriguing. But Shane, listen up, if Chatman emerges you really need to play with at least 3 down linemen.
RE: This Chatman thing is really  
Eric on Li : 9/23/2024 12:46 pm : link
In comment 16621291 cosmicj said:
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Intriguing. But Shane, listen up, if Chatman emerges you really need to play with at least 3 down linemen.


he's in a pass rushing role (18/21 snaps) but it's interesting how many more pass rush snaps nacho had than him (+10 at 31).
Nubin is turning out to be a great 2nd rd pick  
PatersonPlank : 9/23/2024 12:51 pm : link
In fact the whole draft, Nabers, Nubin, Phillips, Theo, Tracy, and Muasau looks great
McFadden could be a really solid player...  
Greg from LI : 9/23/2024 12:55 pm : link
...if he would just learn how to tackle. Ford had a fairly long run, about 15 yards or so, in the second half where McFadden could have stopped him after a couple. He just threw his shoulder into him with his arms literally at his sides. Didn't even attempt to wrap at all. Naturally, he bounced off and Ford gained about ten more yards.

He's got ability but he's one of the worst tacklers I've ever seen.
RE: McFadden could be a really solid player...  
Mike from Ohio : 9/23/2024 1:38 pm : link
In comment 16621317 Greg from LI said:
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...if he would just learn how to tackle. Ford had a fairly long run, about 15 yards or so, in the second half where McFadden could have stopped him after a couple. He just threw his shoulder into him with his arms literally at his sides. Didn't even attempt to wrap at all. Naturally, he bounced off and Ford gained about ten more yards.

He's got ability but he's one of the worst tacklers I've ever seen.


His ability to read the play and get to the right spot is very impressive. He is just below average when he gets there.
Looked like Thibodeaux  
jeff57 : 9/23/2024 1:45 pm : link
Played a better game than that.
Thanks Eric  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/23/2024 2:11 pm : link
Hope the D can build of it. Browns have had some really good OL's and running games over the last few years but yesterday they were both poor. Watson is way off. Hopefully it is the D making improvements by I am skeptical for now.

Appreciate if you can post the O side if you have them.
RE: Thanks Eric  
Eric on Li : 9/23/2024 4:37 pm : link
In comment 16621442 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Hope the D can build of it. Browns have had some really good OL's and running games over the last few years but yesterday they were both poor. Watson is way off. Hopefully it is the D making improvements by I am skeptical for now.

Appreciate if you can post the O side if you have them.


here you go, not as much notable. runyan did great in pass pro but not great in run game. thomas exactly opposite. nabers and wandale did really good, not as much anyone else. i think there is something distorting jones' rating, this grade is lower than minnesota week 1 which makes no sense.

RE: RE: Thanks Eric  
Lambuth_Special : 9/23/2024 4:42 pm : link
In comment 16621597 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16621442 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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Hope the D can build of it. Browns have had some really good OL's and running games over the last few years but yesterday they were both poor. Watson is way off. Hopefully it is the D making improvements by I am skeptical for now.

Appreciate if you can post the O side if you have them.



here you go, not as much notable. runyan did great in pass pro but not great in run game. thomas exactly opposite. nabers and wandale did really good, not as much anyone else. i think there is something distorting jones' rating, this grade is lower than minnesota week 1 which makes no sense.



Based on a tweet I saw, his low rating was due to having 0 big-time throws.

Interesting that EPA had him top ten by contrast. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
RE: RE: RE: Thanks Eric  
Eric on Li : 9/23/2024 4:44 pm : link
In comment 16621602 Lambuth_Special said:
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In comment 16621597 Eric on Li said:


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In comment 16621442 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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Hope the D can build of it. Browns have had some really good OL's and running games over the last few years but yesterday they were both poor. Watson is way off. Hopefully it is the D making improvements by I am skeptical for now.

Appreciate if you can post the O side if you have them.



here you go, not as much notable. runyan did great in pass pro but not great in run game. thomas exactly opposite. nabers and wandale did really good, not as much anyone else. i think there is something distorting jones' rating, this grade is lower than minnesota week 1 which makes no sense.





Based on a tweet I saw, his low rating was due to having 0 big-time throws.

Interesting that EPA had him top ten by contrast. The truth is somewhere in the middle.


he had 0 big time throws against washington and his grade was a lot higher.
I'm most surprised  
Now Mike in MD : 9/23/2024 7:25 pm : link
by Azzez's grade. He looked to be in the backfield constantly
another shitty game  
The Jake : 9/23/2024 7:49 pm : link
for Thibodeaux, which is really worrisome.
RE: another shitty game  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/23/2024 8:11 pm : link
In comment 16621742 The Jake said:
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for Thibodeaux, which is really worrisome.


Sure if you only look at a game thru a spreadsheet.
actually  
The Jake : 9/23/2024 8:18 pm : link
he looked unimpressive live, just like he has the previous two weeks, and the grades validate what i’ve observed independently.

can’t beat an OT 1:1, can’t set or hold an edge, no effective pass rush moves.
RE: RE: another shitty game  
HBart : 9/23/2024 9:05 pm : link
In comment 16621760 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 16621742 The Jake said:


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for Thibodeaux, which is really worrisome.



Sure if you only look at a game thru a spreadsheet.

Yeah. Actually watching, Thibs played a strong game; he joins Jones in the puzzling grade department. I think Banks is too low. CBs will give up some plays to great WRs. He surely left some plays out there but he wasn't nearly bad at all, and certainly not the way his gtade looks.

Chatman is the freak he was advertised. On one of the short yardage runs he single handedly pulled the RB and everyone pushing backwards. On the Burns strip he punced on the ball with the speed of a DB. He literally chased down Deshaun Watson from behind. He's an exciting player. I see a bright future.
RE: actually  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/23/2024 9:42 pm : link
In comment 16621771 The Jake said:
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he looked unimpressive live, just like he has the previous two weeks, and the grades validate what i’ve observed independently.

can’t beat an OT 1:1, can’t set or hold an edge, no effective pass rush moves.



Uh huh.




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