and noticed a new change of the dynamic that is worth noting:
Marcus Morris and Cam Payne as vested veterans have their minimum salaries of 3.3 and 3 mil respectively. Because Isiah packed his ball and went to OKC, the Knicks have room under the second apron to have both guys join the roster and don't need to penny pinch.
Now you can combine Precious, Morris and Payne at the trade deadline and take back 12 mil which puts you in the Valenciunas, Okongwu, Zubac, Steven Adams, Robert Williams tier.
Not super exciting but if you really really want to keep Deuce that's probably the list. Maybe Capela gets cut post trade deadline.
they like Precious and Sims more than the rest of us do. I'm not ruling out a big leap from one of the two (which one, I have no idea. Hopefully both).
The only issue is he’s a LOT smaller than some of the elite bigs of the sport. As for Sims, I’ve seen no reason to have much faith in him. His basketball IQ seems low and his lateral quickness doesn’t match his vertical range.
The only issue is he’s a LOT smaller than some of the elite bigs of the sport. As for Sims, I’ve seen no reason to have much faith in him. His basketball IQ seems low and his lateral quickness doesn’t match his vertical range.
This is pretty much where I'm at too.
I wonder how Hukporti is going to look. I know it's a long shot to expect much of a rookie C, but he might be better defensively than Sims.
again mentions Capela as a potential option. Would presumably include Mitch, which helps them for the first few months but doesn't really help them much beyond that. Would be in the same boat.
The only issue is he’s a LOT smaller than some of the elite bigs of the sport. As for Sims, I’ve seen no reason to have much faith in him. His basketball IQ seems low and his lateral quickness doesn’t match his vertical range.
This is pretty much where I'm at too.
I wonder how Hukporti is going to look. I know it's a long shot to expect much of a rookie C, but he might be better defensively than Sims.
I was thoroughly underwhlemed by Hakporti in summer league. He's still young but I'm not sure there was anything there to get too excited about (normal for the 59th pick).
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My understanding on Derrick Rose, per sources familiar with the matter: Memphis let Rose out of his contract. Look for Rose to prove an update on what’s next for him later this week.
Joel Embiid is a reprehensible human, and should have been ejected for what was ruled only a flagrant 1 foul on Mitch in Game 3 last April.
But that play was not the source of the injury that caused Mitch to undergo surgery on his left ankle in May, following on surgery in the same area in December, both of which the Knicks reported to be the result of stress injuries.
Linked is an article from the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons that gives a good sum up of a) the sources and mechanism of stress injuries; b) the type of surgery Mitch likely underwent; and c) the challenge involved in Mitch's returning to the demands of full-time play, without instigating a recurrence.
A significant aspect of the stress injury mechanism is that it is an injury that, with a certain level of determination, you can play on, until the progression of the associated pain/swelling ultimately becomes intolerable.
that he wanted to use OG at the 5 more but with the injuries their main cincern was just getting him healthy and back up to speed for the playoffs..
Thibs has also mentioned now playing Randle st the 5 as potentially their best lineup and how the game is changing to a more perimiter game and needing more wing defenders on the court..
Thibs also went small last year in the playoffs vs the Sixers and also in the regular season when the Precious/Ihart front court didnt work..
Thibs didnt use Toppin and Randle together because Both are not great perimiter defensers and neither could protect the rim
RE: RE: If Thibs is flexible and embraces small ball
Thibs didnt use Toppin and Randle together because Both are not great perimiter defensers and neither could protect the rim
If Randle is not a great perimeter defender and can't protect the rim, that would be why I wouldn't want him at the 5.
Basically, we're going into the season with no C, just a bunch of PF's and the hope that one of them will be OK at C.
Because he will be surrounded by elite perimiter defense and his rebounding will play a big part..
There is going to be no more funneling to the big guy to block the shot, its going to outside defense and switching...
Then you look offensively, how many centers can actually guard Randle? You are going to force centers out onto the perimiter and they are going to get killed forcing coaches to make a decision..
and its not Just og and Mikal the Knicks cna come at you in waves of 3 point shooting and defense
that he wanted to use OG at the 5 more but with the injuries their main cincern was just getting him healthy and back up to speed for the playoffs..
Thibs has also mentioned now playing Randle st the 5 as potentially their best lineup and how the game is changing to a more perimiter game and needing more wing defenders on the court..
Thibs also went small last year in the playoffs vs the Sixers and also in the regular season when the Precious/Ihart front court didnt work..
Thibs didnt use Toppin and Randle together because Both are not great perimiter defensers and neither could protect the rim
You bring up some good points 16. You could be right. However, I still don't know if I fully buy it. Keeping McBride makes little sense to me with all the pieces we added unless he was a true ball-handling 1. He isn't . He is a 2 in a 1's body essentially. The biggest weakness is C. Some matchups are going to really need that 5. Robinson is too injury prone.
that he wanted to use OG at the 5 more but with the injuries their main cincern was just getting him healthy and back up to speed for the playoffs..
Thibs has also mentioned now playing Randle st the 5 as potentially their best lineup and how the game is changing to a more perimiter game and needing more wing defenders on the court..
Thibs also went small last year in the playoffs vs the Sixers and also in the regular season when the Precious/Ihart front court didnt work..
Thibs didnt use Toppin and Randle together because Both are not great perimiter defensers and neither could protect the rim
You bring up some good points 16. You could be right. However, I still don't know if I fully buy it. Keeping McBride makes little sense to me with all the pieces we added unless he was a true ball-handling 1. He isn't . He is a 2 in a 1's body essentially. The biggest weakness is C. Some matchups are going to really need that 5. Robinson is too injury prone.
There not many matchups in the NBA anymore where you absolutely need a big to defend..
Sixers eith Embiid
Denver with Jokic
Maybe Lakers with AD
Kings with Sabonis but Randle always kills him
I meam really thats it, most bigs in this league you can guard them with OG, 3 of the teams are out west and even with Embiid OG shut him down in game 4, now can you do that all series? probably not
And the Knicks best defensive performance vs Embiid
that he wanted to use OG at the 5 more but with the injuries their main cincern was just getting him healthy and back up to speed for the playoffs..
Thibs has also mentioned now playing Randle st the 5 as potentially their best lineup and how the game is changing to a more perimiter game and needing more wing defenders on the court..
Thibs also went small last year in the playoffs vs the Sixers and also in the regular season when the Precious/Ihart front court didnt work..
Thibs didnt use Toppin and Randle together because Both are not great perimiter defensers and neither could protect the rim
You bring up some good points 16. You could be right. However, I still don't know if I fully buy it. Keeping McBride makes little sense to me with all the pieces we added unless he was a true ball-handling 1. He isn't . He is a 2 in a 1's body essentially. The biggest weakness is C. Some matchups are going to really need that 5. Robinson is too injury prone.
There not many matchups in the NBA anymore where you absolutely need a big to defend..
Sixers eith Embiid
Denver with Jokic
Maybe Lakers with AD
Kings with Sabonis but Randle always kills him
I meam really thats it, most bigs in this league you can guard them with OG, 3 of the teams are out west and even with Embiid OG shut him down in game 4, now can you do that all series? probably not
All cogent points. Maybe add KP? From what I'm reading, the idea of Ayton is growing on me a bit. Portland has 3 Cs on their roster and just drafted one 7th. I don't see them keeping Ayton. I think they would love Randle, a bonafide 25/10 guy.
RE: And the Knicks best defensive performance vs Embiid
that he wanted to use OG at the 5 more but with the injuries their main cincern was just getting him healthy and back up to speed for the playoffs..
Thibs has also mentioned now playing Randle st the 5 as potentially their best lineup and how the game is changing to a more perimiter game and needing more wing defenders on the court..
Thibs also went small last year in the playoffs vs the Sixers and also in the regular season when the Precious/Ihart front court didnt work..
Thibs didnt use Toppin and Randle together because Both are not great perimiter defensers and neither could protect the rim
You bring up some good points 16. You could be right. However, I still don't know if I fully buy it. Keeping McBride makes little sense to me with all the pieces we added unless he was a true ball-handling 1. He isn't . He is a 2 in a 1's body essentially. The biggest weakness is C. Some matchups are going to really need that 5. Robinson is too injury prone.
There not many matchups in the NBA anymore where you absolutely need a big to defend..
Sixers eith Embiid
Denver with Jokic
Maybe Lakers with AD
Kings with Sabonis but Randle always kills him
I meam really thats it, most bigs in this league you can guard them with OG, 3 of the teams are out west and even with Embiid OG shut him down in game 4, now can you do that all series? probably not
All cogent points. Maybe add KP? From what I'm reading, the idea of Ayton is growing on me a bit. Portland has 3 Cs on their roster and just drafted one 7th. I don't see them keeping Ayton. I think they would love Randle, a bonafide 25/10 guy.
KP is a perimiter player and even if he goes into the post he isnt bodying Randle or even OG..
Mitch on KP is a terrible matchup for the Knicks..
Problem with Ayton is he is very soft, i dont think he would fit much with Thibs and he bitched a lot in Phoenix about not getting touches
that he wanted to use OG at the 5 more but with the injuries their main cincern was just getting him healthy and back up to speed for the playoffs..
Thibs has also mentioned now playing Randle st the 5 as potentially their best lineup and how the game is changing to a more perimiter game and needing more wing defenders on the court..
Thibs also went small last year in the playoffs vs the Sixers and also in the regular season when the Precious/Ihart front court didnt work..
Thibs didnt use Toppin and Randle together because Both are not great perimiter defensers and neither could protect the rim
You bring up some good points 16. You could be right. However, I still don't know if I fully buy it. Keeping McBride makes little sense to me with all the pieces we added unless he was a true ball-handling 1. He isn't . He is a 2 in a 1's body essentially. The biggest weakness is C. Some matchups are going to really need that 5. Robinson is too injury prone.
There not many matchups in the NBA anymore where you absolutely need a big to defend..
Sixers eith Embiid
Denver with Jokic
Maybe Lakers with AD
Kings with Sabonis but Randle always kills him
I meam really thats it, most bigs in this league you can guard them with OG, 3 of the teams are out west and even with Embiid OG shut him down in game 4, now can you do that all series? probably not
All cogent points. Maybe add KP? From what I'm reading, the idea of Ayton is growing on me a bit. Portland has 3 Cs on their roster and just drafted one 7th. I don't see them keeping Ayton. I think they would love Randle, a bonafide 25/10 guy.
KP is a perimiter player and even if he goes into the post he isnt bodying Randle or even OG..
Mitch on KP is a terrible matchup for the Knicks..
Problem with Ayton is he is very soft, i dont think he would fit much with Thibs and he bitched a lot in Phoenix about not getting touches
Phoenix had a lot of ball dominant mouthes to feed tho. If Randle went for him he'd get more touches I would think here. Brunson is kind of the only ball dominant guy left. All others are more flow of the offense players. We hired a pretty good big man coach from Detroit apparently this offseason too.
RE: RE: And the Knicks best defensive performance vs Embiid
Considering Ayton's ability to irratate teammates and front offices, you probably should get a dermatologist to look at that...
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Portland has 3 Cs on their roster and just drafted one 7th. I don't see them keeping Ayton. I think they would love Randle, a bonafide 25/10 guy.
If Portland is willing to move on from Ayton (a guy they just acquired recently), then why would we do them the favor of trading a bonafid 25/10 guy for him?
Anyway, to be blunt, the Knicks recent success has come with defensive-minded role players as centers, not offensive stars.
Also being blunt, if we complained about spacing with Robinson at the five, how is Ayton going to improve it?
It was OG, not Precious, who was mostly guarding Embiid
Precious, who was sometimes guarding Oubre, sometimes playing zone, was occasionally able to help OG out with a double team or switch.
Embiid's mobility was limited at that point. youtube - ( New Window )
I think it should be pointed out regularly in these threads that since 2019 Embiid and Robinson have both average nearly the same amount of games played. Considering their respective roles, I'm more confident that Robinson will be healthy for the playoff than Embiid unless Philly gives him the Kawhi Leonard treatment.
I don't think this, per se, is a big loss. However, losing Hartenstein was, and then having no Robinson or any other true big hurts. I don't think Hartenstein is great, but he was great for this team. He provided similar rebounding and shot blocking as Robinson and could score a drop, plus brought the energy.
I don't think this, per se, is a big loss. However, losing Hartenstein was, and then having no Robinson or any other true big hurts. I don't think Hartenstein is great, but he was great for this team. He provided similar rebounding and shot blocking as Robinson and could score a drop, plus brought the energy.
It will be interesting to see how effective he is in Oklahoma. If he doesn’t fit in well, perhaps the Knicks can re-acquire him in the future.
but i think in the long run they wont miss him even with missing Robinson..
Hartenstein was almost unplayable in the playoffs excelt for a few spurts..
I know OG was hurt a lot but the versatility he is going to be bring is going to add a new dimension for this team..
just for examplr playing against the Pacers, You can go throw OG on Turner, Mikal on Siakim, Divo on Tyrese and absolutely run them into the ground and best them at their own game offensively while playing elite defensively..
Going a different direction you play Randle at the 5 he can guard Turner, OG on Siakim and Bridges on Tyrese, you are longer with a more inside presence in Randle offensively..
Mitch is not there clogging the paint, Brunson is going to have a field day
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"Richards, league sources tell The Athletic, is someone the Knicks have had on their radar this offseason" per .@JLEdwardsIII
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RE: RE: It was OG, not Precious, who was mostly guarding Embiid
I think it should be pointed out regularly in these threads that since 2019 Embiid and Robinson have both average nearly the same amount of games played. Considering their respective roles, I'm more confident that Robinson will be healthy for the playoff than Embiid unless Philly gives him the Kawhi Leonard treatment.
This. When is Embiid's mobility ever not "limited"? That having been said I just think with all the switching we do rim protection is important and we're gonna miss it if we don't replace it. I have a feeling Cappella will be a Knick possibly earlier during the season but more likely closer to the deadline especially if Atlanta is struggling.
but i think in the long run they wont miss him even with missing Robinson..
Hartenstein was almost unplayable in the playoffs excelt for a few spurts..
I know OG was hurt a lot but the versatility he is going to be bring is going to add a new dimension for this team..
just for examplr playing against the Pacers, You can go throw OG on Turner, Mikal on Siakim, Divo on Tyrese and absolutely run them into the ground and best them at their own game offensively while playing elite defensively..
Going a different direction you play Randle at the 5 he can guard Turner, OG on Siakim and Bridges on Tyrese, you are longer with a more inside presence in Randle offensively..
Mitch is not there clogging the paint, Brunson is going to have a field day
I agree about IHart. IMHO he struggled with Embiid's strength and power while Mitch frustrated him by matching him. The Knicks have been dropping hints on Mitch's availability all summer. If be shocked if they Leon and company aren't working on something. He won't give the house but he tends to make a fair deal for all involved
they've certainly earned some slack from great moves (and great non-moves) over the last couple of years.
That said, maybe I'm old school but I'd like a couple of guys north of 6'10" in the rotation. I like Sims but I don't think he's very good - maybe that will change.
Mitch most certainly has his flaws but even leaving aside rim protection, his offensive rebounding numbers per 48 were great, even league-leading.
Not sure we can replace that, but I'll be happy to be proven wrong!
they've certainly earned some slack from great moves (and great non-moves) over the last couple of years.
That said, maybe I'm old school but I'd like a couple of guys north of 6'10" in the rotation. I like Sims but I don't think he's very good - maybe that will change.
Mitch most certainly has his flaws but even leaving aside rim protection, his offensive rebounding numbers per 48 were great, even league-leading.
Not sure we can replace that, but I'll be happy to be proven wrong!
Is the plan really to go small ball and defend the heck out of the perimeter and not funnel guys to a 7 foot Center underneath now that we have Bridges? Maybe.
Or we are gearing up for something and we are still going after a legit 5 like Kessler, Richards, Williams or Ayton.
You gotta figure Portland will give up a Center and it's likely the more expensive Ayton after drafting Clingan
Marcus Morris and Cam Payne as vested veterans have their minimum salaries of 3.3 and 3 mil respectively. Because Isiah packed his ball and went to OKC, the Knicks have room under the second apron to have both guys join the roster and don't need to penny pinch.
Now you can combine Precious, Morris and Payne at the trade deadline and take back 12 mil which puts you in the Valenciunas, Okongwu, Zubac, Steven Adams, Robert Williams tier.
Not super exciting but if you really really want to keep Deuce that's probably the list. Maybe Capela gets cut post trade deadline.
This is pretty much where I'm at too.
I wonder how Hukporti is going to look. I know it's a long shot to expect much of a rookie C, but he might be better defensively than Sims.
Alan Hahn said he predicts Randle starting at the 5
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The only issue is he’s a LOT smaller than some of the elite bigs of the sport. As for Sims, I’ve seen no reason to have much faith in him. His basketball IQ seems low and his lateral quickness doesn’t match his vertical range.
This is pretty much where I'm at too.
I wonder how Hukporti is going to look. I know it's a long shot to expect much of a rookie C, but he might be better defensively than Sims.
I was thoroughly underwhlemed by Hakporti in summer league. He's still young but I'm not sure there was anything there to get too excited about (normal for the 59th pick).
Just so yall know I’m a 1-4
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My understanding on Derrick Rose, per sources familiar with the matter: Memphis let Rose out of his contract. Look for Rose to prove an update on what’s next for him later this week.
But that play was not the source of the injury that caused Mitch to undergo surgery on his left ankle in May, following on surgery in the same area in December, both of which the Knicks reported to be the result of stress injuries.
Linked is an article from the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons that gives a good sum up of a) the sources and mechanism of stress injuries; b) the type of surgery Mitch likely underwent; and c) the challenge involved in Mitch's returning to the demands of full-time play, without instigating a recurrence.
A significant aspect of the stress injury mechanism is that it is an injury that, with a certain level of determination, you can play on, until the progression of the associated pain/swelling ultimately becomes intolerable.
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Thibs is most likely going to start Precious at the 5 i assume but if he embraces Randle at the 5, there could be some minutes for Morris at the 4/5..
Begely mentioned Knicks view him as a 4/5..
If you start Brunson, Bridges, OG, Randle, Precious..
My 2nd and 4th quarter lineup to start would be Deuce, Donte, Hart, morris Randle..
Then to finish i am going Brunson, Divo or hart, Bridges, Og, Randle..
Thibs is most likely going to start Precious at the 5 i assume but if he embraces Randle at the 5, there could be some minutes for Morris at the 4/5..
Begely mentioned Knicks view him as a 4/5..
If you start Brunson, Bridges, OG, Randle, Precious..
My 2nd and 4th quarter lineup to start would be Deuce, Donte, Hart, morris Randle..
Then to finish i am going Brunson, Divo or hart, Bridges, Og, Randle..
I dunno not sure I am buying it. A rim protecting big seems so central to him running his system.
Thibs has also mentioned now playing Randle st the 5 as potentially their best lineup and how the game is changing to a more perimiter game and needing more wing defenders on the court..
Thibs also went small last year in the playoffs vs the Sixers and also in the regular season when the Precious/Ihart front court didnt work..
Thibs didnt use Toppin and Randle together because Both are not great perimiter defensers and neither could protect the rim
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Marcus Morris may be in the rotation with Mitch out..
Thibs is most likely going to start Precious at the 5 i assume but if he embraces Randle at the 5, there could be some minutes for Morris at the 4/5..
Begely mentioned Knicks view him as a 4/5..
If you start Brunson, Bridges, OG, Randle, Precious..
My 2nd and 4th quarter lineup to start would be Deuce, Donte, Hart, morris Randle..
Then to finish i am going Brunson, Divo or hart, Bridges, Og, Randle..
I dunno not sure I am buying it. A rim protecting big seems so central to him running his system.
They’re likely not making a move for a center.
They like Precious way more than the public
If Randle is not a great perimeter defender and can't protect the rim, that would be why I wouldn't want him at the 5.
Basically, we're going into the season with no C, just a bunch of PF's and the hope that one of them will be OK at C.
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Thibs didnt use Toppin and Randle together because Both are not great perimiter defensers and neither could protect the rim
If Randle is not a great perimeter defender and can't protect the rim, that would be why I wouldn't want him at the 5.
Basically, we're going into the season with no C, just a bunch of PF's and the hope that one of them will be OK at C.
Because he will be surrounded by elite perimiter defense and his rebounding will play a big part..
There is going to be no more funneling to the big guy to block the shot, its going to outside defense and switching...
Then you look offensively, how many centers can actually guard Randle? You are going to force centers out onto the perimiter and they are going to get killed forcing coaches to make a decision..
and its not Just og and Mikal the Knicks cna come at you in waves of 3 point shooting and defense
Thibs has also mentioned now playing Randle st the 5 as potentially their best lineup and how the game is changing to a more perimiter game and needing more wing defenders on the court..
Thibs also went small last year in the playoffs vs the Sixers and also in the regular season when the Precious/Ihart front court didnt work..
Thibs didnt use Toppin and Randle together because Both are not great perimiter defensers and neither could protect the rim
You bring up some good points 16. You could be right. However, I still don't know if I fully buy it. Keeping McBride makes little sense to me with all the pieces we added unless he was a true ball-handling 1. He isn't . He is a 2 in a 1's body essentially. The biggest weakness is C. Some matchups are going to really need that 5. Robinson is too injury prone.
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that he wanted to use OG at the 5 more but with the injuries their main cincern was just getting him healthy and back up to speed for the playoffs..
Thibs has also mentioned now playing Randle st the 5 as potentially their best lineup and how the game is changing to a more perimiter game and needing more wing defenders on the court..
Thibs also went small last year in the playoffs vs the Sixers and also in the regular season when the Precious/Ihart front court didnt work..
Thibs didnt use Toppin and Randle together because Both are not great perimiter defensers and neither could protect the rim
You bring up some good points 16. You could be right. However, I still don't know if I fully buy it. Keeping McBride makes little sense to me with all the pieces we added unless he was a true ball-handling 1. He isn't . He is a 2 in a 1's body essentially. The biggest weakness is C. Some matchups are going to really need that 5. Robinson is too injury prone.
There not many matchups in the NBA anymore where you absolutely need a big to defend..
Sixers eith Embiid
Denver with Jokic
Maybe Lakers with AD
Kings with Sabonis but Randle always kills him
I meam really thats it, most bigs in this league you can guard them with OG, 3 of the teams are out west and even with Embiid OG shut him down in game 4, now can you do that all series? probably not
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that he wanted to use OG at the 5 more but with the injuries their main cincern was just getting him healthy and back up to speed for the playoffs..
Thibs has also mentioned now playing Randle st the 5 as potentially their best lineup and how the game is changing to a more perimiter game and needing more wing defenders on the court..
Thibs also went small last year in the playoffs vs the Sixers and also in the regular season when the Precious/Ihart front court didnt work..
Thibs didnt use Toppin and Randle together because Both are not great perimiter defensers and neither could protect the rim
You bring up some good points 16. You could be right. However, I still don't know if I fully buy it. Keeping McBride makes little sense to me with all the pieces we added unless he was a true ball-handling 1. He isn't . He is a 2 in a 1's body essentially. The biggest weakness is C. Some matchups are going to really need that 5. Robinson is too injury prone.
There not many matchups in the NBA anymore where you absolutely need a big to defend..
Sixers eith Embiid
Denver with Jokic
Maybe Lakers with AD
Kings with Sabonis but Randle always kills him
I meam really thats it, most bigs in this league you can guard them with OG, 3 of the teams are out west and even with Embiid OG shut him down in game 4, now can you do that all series? probably not
All cogent points. Maybe add KP? From what I'm reading, the idea of Ayton is growing on me a bit. Portland has 3 Cs on their roster and just drafted one 7th. I don't see them keeping Ayton. I think they would love Randle, a bonafide 25/10 guy.
That 4th quarter is a preview of the defense you will see this year, switching everything, flying around and getting out in transition
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that he wanted to use OG at the 5 more but with the injuries their main cincern was just getting him healthy and back up to speed for the playoffs..
Thibs has also mentioned now playing Randle st the 5 as potentially their best lineup and how the game is changing to a more perimiter game and needing more wing defenders on the court..
Thibs also went small last year in the playoffs vs the Sixers and also in the regular season when the Precious/Ihart front court didnt work..
Thibs didnt use Toppin and Randle together because Both are not great perimiter defensers and neither could protect the rim
You bring up some good points 16. You could be right. However, I still don't know if I fully buy it. Keeping McBride makes little sense to me with all the pieces we added unless he was a true ball-handling 1. He isn't . He is a 2 in a 1's body essentially. The biggest weakness is C. Some matchups are going to really need that 5. Robinson is too injury prone.
There not many matchups in the NBA anymore where you absolutely need a big to defend..
Sixers eith Embiid
Denver with Jokic
Maybe Lakers with AD
Kings with Sabonis but Randle always kills him
I meam really thats it, most bigs in this league you can guard them with OG, 3 of the teams are out west and even with Embiid OG shut him down in game 4, now can you do that all series? probably not
All cogent points. Maybe add KP? From what I'm reading, the idea of Ayton is growing on me a bit. Portland has 3 Cs on their roster and just drafted one 7th. I don't see them keeping Ayton. I think they would love Randle, a bonafide 25/10 guy.
KP is a perimiter player and even if he goes into the post he isnt bodying Randle or even OG..
Mitch on KP is a terrible matchup for the Knicks..
Problem with Ayton is he is very soft, i dont think he would fit much with Thibs and he bitched a lot in Phoenix about not getting touches
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that he wanted to use OG at the 5 more but with the injuries their main cincern was just getting him healthy and back up to speed for the playoffs..
Thibs has also mentioned now playing Randle st the 5 as potentially their best lineup and how the game is changing to a more perimiter game and needing more wing defenders on the court..
Thibs also went small last year in the playoffs vs the Sixers and also in the regular season when the Precious/Ihart front court didnt work..
Thibs didnt use Toppin and Randle together because Both are not great perimiter defensers and neither could protect the rim
You bring up some good points 16. You could be right. However, I still don't know if I fully buy it. Keeping McBride makes little sense to me with all the pieces we added unless he was a true ball-handling 1. He isn't . He is a 2 in a 1's body essentially. The biggest weakness is C. Some matchups are going to really need that 5. Robinson is too injury prone.
There not many matchups in the NBA anymore where you absolutely need a big to defend..
Sixers eith Embiid
Denver with Jokic
Maybe Lakers with AD
Kings with Sabonis but Randle always kills him
I meam really thats it, most bigs in this league you can guard them with OG, 3 of the teams are out west and even with Embiid OG shut him down in game 4, now can you do that all series? probably not
All cogent points. Maybe add KP? From what I'm reading, the idea of Ayton is growing on me a bit. Portland has 3 Cs on their roster and just drafted one 7th. I don't see them keeping Ayton. I think they would love Randle, a bonafide 25/10 guy.
KP is a perimiter player and even if he goes into the post he isnt bodying Randle or even OG..
Mitch on KP is a terrible matchup for the Knicks..
Problem with Ayton is he is very soft, i dont think he would fit much with Thibs and he bitched a lot in Phoenix about not getting touches
Phoenix had a lot of ball dominant mouthes to feed tho. If Randle went for him he'd get more touches I would think here. Brunson is kind of the only ball dominant guy left. All others are more flow of the offense players. We hired a pretty good big man coach from Detroit apparently this offseason too.
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That 4th quarter is a preview of the defense you will see this year, switching everything, flying around and getting out in transition
Absolutely possible.
Considering Ayton's ability to irratate teammates and front offices, you probably should get a dermatologist to look at that...
If Portland is willing to move on from Ayton (a guy they just acquired recently), then why would we do them the favor of trading a bonafid 25/10 guy for him?
Anyway, to be blunt, the Knicks recent success has come with defensive-minded role players as centers, not offensive stars.
Also being blunt, if we complained about spacing with Robinson at the five, how is Ayton going to improve it?
Precious, who was sometimes guarding Oubre, sometimes playing zone, was occasionally able to help OG out with a double team or switch.
Embiid's mobility was limited at that point.
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He’s become a stagnant player, and is minus on the offensive end. Precious/Morris as a small ball 5 are a better offensive fit.
Precious, who was sometimes guarding Oubre, sometimes playing zone, was occasionally able to help OG out with a double team or switch.
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I think it should be pointed out regularly in these threads that since 2019 Embiid and Robinson have both average nearly the same amount of games played. Considering their respective roles, I'm more confident that Robinson will be healthy for the playoff than Embiid unless Philly gives him the Kawhi Leonard treatment.
It will be interesting to see how effective he is in Oklahoma. If he doesn’t fit in well, perhaps the Knicks can re-acquire him in the future.
Hartenstein was almost unplayable in the playoffs excelt for a few spurts..
I know OG was hurt a lot but the versatility he is going to be bring is going to add a new dimension for this team..
just for examplr playing against the Pacers, You can go throw OG on Turner, Mikal on Siakim, Divo on Tyrese and absolutely run them into the ground and best them at their own game offensively while playing elite defensively..
Going a different direction you play Randle at the 5 he can guard Turner, OG on Siakim and Bridges on Tyrese, you are longer with a more inside presence in Randle offensively..
Mitch is not there clogging the paint, Brunson is going to have a field day
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I think it should be pointed out regularly in these threads that since 2019 Embiid and Robinson have both average nearly the same amount of games played. Considering their respective roles, I'm more confident that Robinson will be healthy for the playoff than Embiid unless Philly gives him the Kawhi Leonard treatment.
This. When is Embiid's mobility ever not "limited"? That having been said I just think with all the switching we do rim protection is important and we're gonna miss it if we don't replace it. I have a feeling Cappella will be a Knick possibly earlier during the season but more likely closer to the deadline especially if Atlanta is struggling.
Hartenstein was almost unplayable in the playoffs excelt for a few spurts..
I know OG was hurt a lot but the versatility he is going to be bring is going to add a new dimension for this team..
just for examplr playing against the Pacers, You can go throw OG on Turner, Mikal on Siakim, Divo on Tyrese and absolutely run them into the ground and best them at their own game offensively while playing elite defensively..
Going a different direction you play Randle at the 5 he can guard Turner, OG on Siakim and Bridges on Tyrese, you are longer with a more inside presence in Randle offensively..
Mitch is not there clogging the paint, Brunson is going to have a field day
I agree about IHart. IMHO he struggled with Embiid's strength and power while Mitch frustrated him by matching him. The Knicks have been dropping hints on Mitch's availability all summer. If be shocked if they Leon and company aren't working on something. He won't give the house but he tends to make a fair deal for all involved
He’s become a stagnant player, and is minus on the offensive end. Precious/Morris as a small ball 5 are a better offensive fit.
I agree with your take. Precious is gonna do what he does, rebound, defend and work his ass off. My biggest worry is that they have to go to Sims
That said, maybe I'm old school but I'd like a couple of guys north of 6'10" in the rotation. I like Sims but I don't think he's very good - maybe that will change.
Mitch most certainly has his flaws but even leaving aside rim protection, his offensive rebounding numbers per 48 were great, even league-leading.
Not sure we can replace that, but I'll be happy to be proven wrong!
That said, maybe I'm old school but I'd like a couple of guys north of 6'10" in the rotation. I like Sims but I don't think he's very good - maybe that will change.
Mitch most certainly has his flaws but even leaving aside rim protection, his offensive rebounding numbers per 48 were great, even league-leading.
Not sure we can replace that, but I'll be happy to be proven wrong!
Is the plan really to go small ball and defend the heck out of the perimeter and not funnel guys to a 7 foot Center underneath now that we have Bridges? Maybe.
Or we are gearing up for something and we are still going after a legit 5 like Kessler, Richards, Williams or Ayton.
You gotta figure Portland will give up a Center and it's likely the more expensive Ayton after drafting Clingan
Great work ESPN, get rid of the one guy that actually knows basketball.
Damn, that's a joke. Didn't always agree with him but he absolutely watches a ton and knows what he's talking about.
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He’ll land on his feet in no time but ESPN is an embarrassment.
Damn, that's a joke. Didn't always agree with him but he absolutely watches a ton and knows what he's talking about.
Beyond moronic.
Also- do they really need so many NBA writers? Mcmeanamin, Shelbourne, Bontemps etc. They bring zero value and yet they stay and Lowe gets canned.
Woj was supposedly getting paid a shitload. I thought money would open up once he left.