is there an NFL franchise that has gotten more out of some failed or journeymen QBs over the DECADES like the Vikings have? Or even just the older past his prime QB. Minny has resurrected or turned more QBs around than anyone else I can think of. And some of the QBs were downright bad before flourishing in Purple. Jim McMahon in the 90s. Randall Cunningham in the late 90s. Warren Moon (not sure how well he did there) on to guys like Casey Keenum and now Darnold. Shit even Cousins wasn't supposed to be shit as he was the so called most overpaid QB ever--then he goes and signs a huge deal again after leaving Minny.
Unlike baseball, moving on to another team, finding yourself in the company of better players or maybe the offensive scheme that’s employed. can make a significant difference in performance. Plus, QB might be the only position in the NFL where you can get better pass the age of 30.
Alex Smith suffered in SF for years and was on the hot seat. Then he was saved.
Goff on Lions.
The attitude of teams is I need the miracle of Tim Brady ASAP and that's a failed outlook. Smith got a lot of time at SF to finally get good. Darnold has good weapons and was always a good player -just dealing with crap franchises and coaches.
Daniel Jones has had a ton of instability plus he is not that good which is a perfect storm. Sometimes the coach can extract it out . Sometimes Jones can manage the game. But it's patchy at best and extremely limited
Losing teams don't really think they're going to turn it around with a rookie quarterback. They're just responding to the pressure to "Do Something!" and the way to show that is with taking the highest rated quarterback in the draft.
They should be taking foundation players, such as offensive linemen and defensive standouts. The Jets knew they had a very good quarterback in Darnold, but the fans don't have the patience to rebuild.
It really is an 11-man offense, and the system really matters. It's not quite like running backs in a Shanahan system, but some are better suited than others, some more adaptable than others, and varying levels of complexity. I think Brock Purdy is Exhibit A. He fits that system like a glove. Maybe Darnold is the same.
Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady were close to perfect. Everyone else needs the right situation to excel. And even then they probably won't - it's a hard position. Some pilots need 4 times as many hours as others to get a license. Without the physical and athletic demands.
is there an NFL franchise that has gotten more out of some failed or journeymen QBs over the DECADES like the Vikings have? Or even just the older past his prime QB. Minny has resurrected or turned more QBs around than anyone else I can think of. And some of the QBs were downright bad before flourishing in Purple. Jim McMahon in the 90s. Randall Cunningham in the late 90s. Warren Moon (not sure how well he did there) on to guys like Casey Keenum and now Darnold. Shit even Cousins wasn't supposed to be shit as he was the so called most overpaid QB ever--then he goes and signs a huge deal again after leaving Minny.
Bad QBs go to Minny to turn shit around.
That's actually an interesting observation.
But since coaching staffs, schemes, players, owners have changed with that organization many times over the last 40 years, I would say it's coincidence that this has happened versus something smart and strategic within the organization.
It really is an 11-man offense, and the system really matters. It's not quite like running backs in a Shanahan system, but some are better suited than others, some more adaptable than others, and varying levels of complexity. I think Brock Purdy is Exhibit A. He fits that system like a glove. Maybe Darnold is the same.
Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady were close to perfect. Everyone else needs the right situation to excel. And even then they probably won't - it's a hard position. Some pilots need 4 times as many hours as others to get a license. Without the physical and athletic demands.
Even Mahomes walked into an Andy Reid offense with both Kelce and Hill that was a playoff team.
RE: RE: QB is a hard position with many dependencies
It really is an 11-man offense, and the system really matters. It's not quite like running backs in a Shanahan system, but some are better suited than others, some more adaptable than others, and varying levels of complexity. I think Brock Purdy is Exhibit A. He fits that system like a glove. Maybe Darnold is the same.
Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady were close to perfect. Everyone else needs the right situation to excel. And even then they probably won't - it's a hard position. Some pilots need 4 times as many hours as others to get a license. Without the physical and athletic demands.
Even Mahomes walked into an Andy Reid offense with both Kelce and Hill that was a playoff team.
That is an excellent point.
A bit tangentially, a common thread in the best executives I know is patiently waiting for the right situation, even if it means sitting on the sidelines a while. Credit Coughlin for that after Jax. But players don't have the luxury of time, and rarely much opportunity of choice.
Bad QBs go to Minny to turn shit around.
2. Get cut.
Goff on Lions.
The attitude of teams is I need the miracle of Tim Brady ASAP and that's a failed outlook. Smith got a lot of time at SF to finally get good. Darnold has good weapons and was always a good player -just dealing with crap franchises and coaches.
Daniel Jones has had a ton of instability plus he is not that good which is a perfect storm. Sometimes the coach can extract it out . Sometimes Jones can manage the game. But it's patchy at best and extremely limited
They should be taking foundation players, such as offensive linemen and defensive standouts. The Jets knew they had a very good quarterback in Darnold, but the fans don't have the patience to rebuild.
It really is an 11-man offense, and the system really matters. It's not quite like running backs in a Shanahan system, but some are better suited than others, some more adaptable than others, and varying levels of complexity. I think Brock Purdy is Exhibit A. He fits that system like a glove. Maybe Darnold is the same.
Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady were close to perfect. Everyone else needs the right situation to excel. And even then they probably won't - it's a hard position. Some pilots need 4 times as many hours as others to get a license. Without the physical and athletic demands.
Bad QBs go to Minny to turn shit around.
That's actually an interesting observation.
But since coaching staffs, schemes, players, owners have changed with that organization many times over the last 40 years, I would say it's coincidence that this has happened versus something smart and strategic within the organization.
It really is an 11-man offense, and the system really matters. It's not quite like running backs in a Shanahan system, but some are better suited than others, some more adaptable than others, and varying levels of complexity. I think Brock Purdy is Exhibit A. He fits that system like a glove. Maybe Darnold is the same.
Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady were close to perfect. Everyone else needs the right situation to excel. And even then they probably won't - it's a hard position. Some pilots need 4 times as many hours as others to get a license. Without the physical and athletic demands.
Even Mahomes walked into an Andy Reid offense with both Kelce and Hill that was a playoff team.
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No reference to current Giants QB.
It really is an 11-man offense, and the system really matters. It's not quite like running backs in a Shanahan system, but some are better suited than others, some more adaptable than others, and varying levels of complexity. I think Brock Purdy is Exhibit A. He fits that system like a glove. Maybe Darnold is the same.
Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady were close to perfect. Everyone else needs the right situation to excel. And even then they probably won't - it's a hard position. Some pilots need 4 times as many hours as others to get a license. Without the physical and athletic demands.
Even Mahomes walked into an Andy Reid offense with both Kelce and Hill that was a playoff team.
That is an excellent point.
A bit tangentially, a common thread in the best executives I know is patiently waiting for the right situation, even if it means sitting on the sidelines a while. Credit Coughlin for that after Jax. But players don't have the luxury of time, and rarely much opportunity of choice.