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Manny in CA : 9/24/2024 3:35 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/news/octopuses-seen-hunting-together-fish-150820122.html

'Cept the Beatles, 'member "Octopus’s Garden", they knew back in '69. The proof ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De1LCQvbqV4
Hellz yeah  
Spider43 : 9/24/2024 3:38 pm : link
It's why I stopped ordering tako at Japanese restos. Pulpo at tapas places used to be one of my faves as well. Alas, I think they're too intelligent to eat. No judgements though, to each, their own.
After the recent documentary “My Octopus Teacher”  
BillT : 9/24/2024 3:42 pm : link
My wife won’t let me order them in restaurants. Great film if you haven’t seen it.
RE: After the recent documentary “My Octopus Teacher”  
Spider43 : 9/24/2024 3:43 pm : link
In comment 16622558 BillT said:
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My wife won’t let me order them in restaurants. Great film if you haven’t seen it.


Agreed!
RE: Hellz yeah  
81_Great_Dane : 9/24/2024 3:48 pm : link
In comment 16622554 Spider43 said:
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It's why I stopped ordering tako at Japanese restos. Pulpo at tapas places used to be one of my faves as well. Alas, I think they're too intelligent to eat. No judgements though, to each, their own.
same. Can’t bring myself to eat them anymore.
Thank you, Bill ...  
Manny in CA : 9/24/2024 4:03 pm : link

You taught me something, today. I'll watch that film, for sure - "not just a visitor, but part of it"
They are aliens.  
BLUATHRT : 9/24/2024 4:04 pm : link
There is no species on the planet that has the same genetic makeup, or strain.
here  
BLUATHRT : 9/24/2024 4:06 pm : link
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Link - ( New Window )
Watch the Nat Geo 3 part  
Bubba : 9/24/2024 4:18 pm : link
series. Its mind blowing. Since seeing it I also have a had time ordering Polpo in restaurants.
On the other hand if they are so smart  
Bubba : 9/24/2024 4:20 pm : link
how do they end up on our plates? I jest.
They are amazing  
JohnG in Albany : 9/24/2024 4:27 pm : link
Especially for a creature with an airbag for a head. *grin*
RE: RE: Hellz yeah  
Crispino : 9/24/2024 6:28 pm : link
In comment 16622567 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 16622554 Spider43 said:


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It's why I stopped ordering tako at Japanese restos. Pulpo at tapas places used to be one of my faves as well. Alas, I think they're too intelligent to eat. No judgements though, to each, their own.

same. Can’t bring myself to eat them anymore.

Thank God cows are as dumb as they are delicious.

😀
Hell, you all eat pork...  
BMac : 9/24/2024 9:20 pm : link
...like it's going out of style. Pigs are also very intelligent. You going to swear off ribs/chops/roasts? Seems more than a bit hypocritical to me.
So  
jtfuoco : 9/24/2024 11:30 pm : link
Which is smarter octopuses ot Pigs
I also saw “My Octopus Teacher” with my wife on Netflix.  
Daniel in Kentucky : 9/24/2024 11:39 pm : link
I’ve never eaten octopus due to dietary restrictions; but while watching the documentary we both actually cried. And I am not a card carrying PETA member. A really good documentary! Really touching, in a very surprising way.
I’m on a scuba trip now  
Daniel in MI : 9/25/2024 7:25 am : link
And the resort we’re at has over-water bungalows. Under 1 lives a good sized octopus that is pretty comfortable hanging with people. Snorkeling I was maybe 2.5 feet above her it’s so shallow. She was totally chill. I hung with her several hours over 3 days just watching her. They’re such fascinating animals. Twice I move my hand slowly close to see if she’d reach out. If I got close to touching her she’d direct a jet off water on my hand like “back it up.” So cool. Truly like an alien, and there’s an intelligence there.
I should add based on the article  
Daniel in MI : 9/25/2024 7:26 am : link
I’m sad she never punched me in the face. I feel left out.
smarter than you too Manny LOL  
Victor in CT : 9/25/2024 8:20 am : link
just kidding Manny, but Octopi is plural
RE: So  
BMac : 9/25/2024 8:55 am : link
In comment 16622990 jtfuoco said:
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Which is smarter octopuses ot Pigs


The 10 smartest animals include chimpanzees, dolphins, orangutans, elephants and crows, known for their advanced problem-solving skills, communication, and social behaviors.

Rats, octopuses, pigeons, squirrels and pigs also display high intelligence through behaviors like tool use, navigation, and memory.
RE: smarter than you too Manny LOL  
BMac : 9/25/2024 8:57 am : link
In comment 16623048 Victor in CT said:
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just kidding Manny, but Octopi is plural


Octopi is accepted, but octopuses is preferred.
octopi-octopuses whatever  
nochance : 9/25/2024 9:20 am : link
How many considered the smarts of octopi? Very few if any
help me understand  
RasputinPrime : 9/25/2024 9:36 am : link
why the aversion to eating "smart" animals.

I don't choose what I eat based on my understanding that they aren't smart. I choose what I eat based on accessibility (first) and affordability (second).

This is why I stick to football threads.  
Blueworm : 9/25/2024 9:47 am : link
They die after mating, or shortly after, so they have no way of accumulating knowledge.

They are not extra-terrestrial just because they have different genetics.

I say poh-ta-toe, you say poh-tah-toe ....  
Manny in CA : 9/25/2024 2:27 pm : link

Technically, the plural for octopus is technically "octopodes" (from the Greek), not "octopi", which I always thought was correct (thinking it came from the Latin).

As it turns out, it has become "Englishized" to become Octopuses. As far as my being smarter than anybody (including the octopuses I plead conclusively innocent).

https://oceanconservancy.org/blog/2022/02/01/plural-octopus/
Octopuses also work with fish to form hunting parties...  
RC in MD : 9/25/2024 3:47 pm : link
The best part is though that the octopus leaders actually reinforces order in these hunting parties by punching party crashing fish. Some crazy shit.

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Still, any good party has its crashers. In this case, blacktip groupers wait off to the side and watch. “Once they see prey,” Sampaio says, “they move and try to get it.”

But these blacktips pay a price for their freeloading. Almost half the time they’re in the group, the octopus punches them. The first time he saw it, Sampaio cracked up.

He says the octopus punches other fish, too, if they’re not pulling their weight or if the group is at a standstill for too long. “And then this creates more movement in the group, and then the octopus stops punching.”

Octopuses and fish share leadership — and enforcement — in group hunting - ( New Window )
They only live for a year or two in the open  
Bill in UT : 9/25/2024 5:50 pm : link
By the time you eat them they've probably already got five tentacle in the grave
RE: They only live for a year or two in the open  
Burst Bubble 25 : 9/25/2024 6:09 pm : link
In comment 16623645 Bill in UT said:
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By the time you eat them they've probably already got five tentacle in the grave


Time is a construct, that one year for them, feels like 40 years to us. You need to do some reading on time and how we perceive it. It's why a summer when you are a kid feels endless, and when you get old the years melt off.

They are fucking delicious but this is one thing I do struggle with.
RE: RE: They only live for a year or two in the open  
Bill in UT : 9/25/2024 8:17 pm : link
In comment 16623660 Burst Bubble 25 said:
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In comment 16623645 Bill in UT said:


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By the time you eat them they've probably already got five tentacle in the grave



Time is a construct, that one year for them, feels like 40 years to us. You need to do some reading on time and how we perceive it. It's why a summer when you are a kid feels endless, and when you get old the years melt off.

They are fucking delicious but this is one thing I do struggle with.


I've spent as much time today reading about optopuses as I ever intend to, other than maybe recipes.
As someone who deals with the occasional octopi  
OlyWABigBlue : 9/25/2024 9:08 pm : link
on a professional basis, I am sure they would no problem eating me and I have no problem eating them. They are both smart and delicious and according to a Cantonese proverb, you are what you eat.

I am surprised that no one has brought up the fact that they can regenerate limbs, the truly sustainable approach. Although most octopi are advertised as wild caught, they are essentially farmed by manipulating habitat by providing artificial shelter (amphorae, clay pots) for these engaging, smart and delicious mollusks.
RE: As someone who deals with the occasional octopi  
Bill in UT : 9/25/2024 11:56 pm : link
In comment 16623779 OlyWABigBlue said:
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I am surprised that no one has brought up the fact that they can regenerate limbs,


So there we are, to paraphrase, you can have your octopus and eat it too. Problem solved
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