Welcome to another series thread, this time against the Braves (85-71) in Atlanta. The Mets (87-69) have a record of
5-5 against the Bravos so far this season going into this series. The Braves trail the Mets in the Wild Card race by two games. The race for the three Wild Card spots in the National League is now down to the Padres, Mets, D-backs, & Braves. If the season ended today, the Mets would be the 5th seeded club going into the N.L. playoffs & the Braves would be on the outside looking in. Click
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Mets @ Braves: Game 1 –⚾Severino (R) vs. Schwellenbach (R)⚾– 7:20 pm EDT
Starting Lineups for both clubs tonight.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for tonight & tomorrow in Atlanta against the Braves.
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-As of the start of play today, the Mets are two games ahead of the Braves in the N.L. Wild Card race. Click
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I'd hope the Mets would do the same thing in the same situation.
They shouldnt have the option, nor should the Mets. That’s the point. This is a stain on the conclusion of 162 games. It shouldn’t be up to the teams.
The Monday day off was bad enough, then the loss, and now 2 more days off..
Not fun
Of course there is, they just moved the Rays Tigers game according to Sherman.
This week, the MLB moved Tuesday's game between the Tampa Bay Rays and Detroit Tigers, so there's very recent precedence for the league switching start times because of weather. But the league only moved Tuesday's Rays-Tigers matchup up five and a half hours from 6:40 pm to 1:10 pm ET.
This wasn’t just some dog days of summer typical divisional series. I’m really surprised by your tale as a Mets fan. And again, I expect the Braves to try to dig in but it shouldn’t have been their call. As discussed above, there were options. They just shared a mutual off day in front of the weather. They could have played 2 instead of 1 yesterday. There could have been a neutral site involved.
18 innings on the final off day of the season between 2 teams that May both have to travel the next day, potentially across the country. The Mets are stuck in Atlanta as we speak because apparently the Royals are still in the hotel they’re supposed to check into in Milwaukee.
The Braves have far less to consider as they’re sitting home all week so the Braves are picking up an added advantage should they or both teams advance.
Yes. If the Padres are playing to win the division the last weekend, the odds increased that they’ll beat the Diamondbacks, which helps the Mets. If San Diego isn’t playing for anything then I fear they won’t take the games seriously.
This week, the MLB moved Tuesday's game between the Tampa Bay Rays and Detroit Tigers, so there's very recent precedence for the league switching start times because of weather. But the league only moved Tuesday's Rays-Tigers matchup up five and a half hours from 6:40 pm to 1:10 pm ET.
That's not a precedent at all - aside from the dramatic difference between changing the start time and moving to another stadium, neither team objected to the change in time. pj was clearly asking if there was a precedent for the league forcing a team to move a game against its will.
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Of course there is, they just moved the Rays Tigers game according to Sherman.
This week, the MLB moved Tuesday's game between the Tampa Bay Rays and Detroit Tigers, so there's very recent precedence for the league switching start times because of weather. But the league only moved Tuesday's Rays-Tigers matchup up five and a half hours from 6:40 pm to 1:10 pm ET.
That's not a precedent at all - aside from the dramatic difference between changing the start time and moving to another stadium, neither team objected to the change in time. pj was clearly asking if there was a precedent for the league forcing a team to move a game against its will.
That's fine, whatever. This series happens to involve 2 of 3 teams fighting for the last 2 wildcard spots and it will now extend beyond the last day of the season and will impact the first round of the playoffs. As far as precedence, maybe there is, I dunno. But if not, there's a first time for everything right?
second, we ran a bullpen down pretty good Sunday night, and the 2nd group got a lot of work Tues night since Sev only went 4 IP. This is a good recovery period, esp Diaz who will no doubt be used a lot moving forward.
third, more time for Lindor to recover, Yes he was in the lineup yesterday but I think he had to be after the loss Tues. Which means its a little forced...
Also Sale Fried will be used over the weekend as they will be getting KC's best effort. Be interesting to watch how they use Sale, I have read he's said he's a little more fatigued as of late.
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agreed - the bare minimum they could have done was force the series to start this past Monday in Atlanta. At least in that scenario next Monday would have been a single header, and very possibly meaningless. If it weren't meaningless it would have been an exciting play in game - but a single header that didnt entirely wreck both team pitching staffs.
This whole situation is embarrassing.
I'd like to believe there are positives here for the Mets, rest for guys like Diaz, Lindor? Ok, I suppose.
However, think about this team leaving Milwaukee on Sunday evening, going back to Atlanta to play 18 innings of baseball potentially, and then the reward for qualifying for the playoffs would be going back across country, at least to Milwaukee, if not all the way to the West Coast to play a game the next day?
It also means the Mets have to sweep the Brewers this weekend, or at least 2 of 3, and pray the Braves/Arizona lose at least 1 or 2 this week.
The Mets magic number is 4 to clinch vs DBs and vs Braves
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This seems to leave open the possibility that the Braves hold Chris Sale for Monday against the Mets.
In that scenario, if both games are played/matter, they might see Sale and Spencer Schwellenbach again.
It also means the Mets have to sweep the Brewers this weekend, or at least 2 of 3, and pray the Braves/Arizona lose at least 1 or 2 this week.
The Mets magic number is 4 to clinch vs DBs and vs Braves
Flip this around.
Mets still control their own destiny, Braves do not.
So now here we are and the order has just flipped a bit...
If we take 0 or 1/3 from Brewers we still control our destiny but need to sweep Braves on Monday if they sweep KC
If we take 2/3 from Brewers we just need 1 win vs Braves regardless of what they do vs KC
If we take 3/3 from Brewers then Braves need to go 5-0 to beat us
You might be wondering: What about Chris Sale? Well, that’s where this becomes interesting. The Braves intend to use Sale whenever their season is on the line and they’re facing elimination from postseason contention. For example, if there is a scenario this weekend where the Braves would face elimination, Sale will pitch.
Sale, the likely National League Cy Young award winner, has been the Braves’ best starting pitcher. He also doesn’t mind pitching on extra rest. For example, Sale pitched July 14 in San Diego – the game heading into the All-Star break – and then didn’t start again until July 25, when he held the Mets to two runs over 7-2/3 innings at Citi Field.
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You might be wondering: What about Chris Sale? Well, that’s where this becomes interesting. The Braves intend to use Sale whenever their season is on the line and they’re facing elimination from postseason contention. For example, if there is a scenario this weekend where the Braves would face elimination, Sale will pitch.
Sale, the likely National League Cy Young award winner, has been the Braves’ best starting pitcher. He also doesn’t mind pitching on extra rest. For example, Sale pitched July 14 in San Diego – the game heading into the All-Star break – and then didn’t start again until July 25, when he held the Mets to two runs over 7-2/3 innings at Citi Field. Link - ( New Window )
Interesting about Sale.
Curious what the weather is for Atl over the weekend? Any chance the Braves are saddled with another doubleheader?
Also in the moze post above, if we only win 2 out of 3 in Milwaukee and the Braves sweep KC, wouldn't that mean we enter Monday tied and we need to sweep the DH in that scenario as well?
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As no way the Mets are sweeping a DH, so Braves would then earn the tie breaker advantage.
It also means the Mets have to sweep the Brewers this weekend, or at least 2 of 3, and pray the Braves/Arizona lose at least 1 or 2 this week.
The Mets magic number is 4 to clinch vs DBs and vs Braves
Flip this around.
Mets still control their own destiny, Braves do not.
So now here we are and the order has just flipped a bit...
If we take 0 or 1/3 from Brewers we still control our destiny but need to sweep Braves on Monday if they sweep KC
If we take 2/3 from Brewers we just need 1 win vs Braves regardless of what they do vs KC
If we take 3/3 from Brewers then Braves need to go 5-0 to beat us
Wait... I think I'm wrong with this...
Mets magic number w/ Braves is 5 isnt it? Not 4?
We have a 1 game lead with 5 to play. If we go 3-2 and they go 4-1, they have the tiebreaker and they win.
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he first one: Max Fried will start Friday’s series opener against the Royals at Truist Park. Fried, a routine-oriented pitcher, doesn’t like having too much extra rest. He was going to start Friday or Saturday, and the Braves opted for Friday, which allows him to pitch on only one extra day of rest instead of two.
You might be wondering: What about Chris Sale? Well, that’s where this becomes interesting. The Braves intend to use Sale whenever their season is on the line and they’re facing elimination from postseason contention. For example, if there is a scenario this weekend where the Braves would face elimination, Sale will pitch.
Sale, the likely National League Cy Young award winner, has been the Braves’ best starting pitcher. He also doesn’t mind pitching on extra rest. For example, Sale pitched July 14 in San Diego – the game heading into the All-Star break – and then didn’t start again until July 25, when he held the Mets to two runs over 7-2/3 innings at Citi Field. Link - ( New Window )
Interesting about Sale.
Curious what the weather is for Atl over the weekend? Any chance the Braves are saddled with another doubleheader?
Also in the moze post above, if we only win 2 out of 3 in Milwaukee and the Braves sweep KC, wouldn't that mean we enter Monday tied and we need to sweep the DH in that scenario as well?
Yeah I was wrong. You are correct.
We need to enter the series up 1 and then all we have to do is win 1 game. So we need to at least match whatever the Braves do over the weekend.
We are up 1 now with 5 to play... after the next 3 the range of starting points for DH is up 4 vs ATL to down 2 vs ATL
If we go in up 4, we clinched on Saturday
If we go in up 3, we clinch
Up 2, we need to win 1
Up 1, we need to win 1
Even, we need to win both
Down 1, we need to win both
Down 2, we need to win both
In all cases, we still control our own destiny and can't be eliminated heading into the DH. That part is still correct.
KC will as long as Detroit remains within 1 game, and Minnesota remains within at least 2games, at least until Sunday. (KC holds the tiebreaker v Detroit, not Minnesota). KC and Detroit both won today. Minnesota plays later. Minnesota is currently 2 1/2 games back so we REALLY need them to win tonight. Fortunately, they close with 3 v the White Sox.
Padres need to beat the Dodgers tonight. If not, they'll be effectively locked into the 4 seed and have nothing to play for v AZ. But if they win tonight, they hold the tiebreaker over the Dodgers, so will be motivated for at least games 1 and 2 of that series, as long as they win game 1.
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KC will as long as Detroit remains within 1 game, and Minnesota remains within at least 2games, at least until Sunday. (KC holds the tiebreaker v Detroit, not Minnesota). KC and Detroit both won today. Minnesota plays later. Minnesota is currently 2 1/2 games back so we REALLY need them to win tonight. Fortunately, they close with 3 v the White Sox.
Padres need to beat the Dodgers tonight. If not, they'll be effectively locked into the 4 seed and have nothing to play for v AZ. But if they win tonight, they hold the tiebreaker over the Dodgers, so will be motivated for at least games 1 and 2 of that series, as long as they win game 1.
I guess Brewers have nothing to play for...locked into 3 seed. Right?
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The key at this point is for the teams playing the Braves and Dbacks to have something to play for.
KC will as long as Detroit remains within 1 game, and Minnesota remains within at least 2games, at least until Sunday. (KC holds the tiebreaker v Detroit, not Minnesota). KC and Detroit both won today. Minnesota plays later. Minnesota is currently 2 1/2 games back so we REALLY need them to win tonight. Fortunately, they close with 3 v the White Sox.
Padres need to beat the Dodgers tonight. If not, they'll be effectively locked into the 4 seed and have nothing to play for v AZ. But if they win tonight, they hold the tiebreaker over the Dodgers, so will be motivated for at least games 1 and 2 of that series, as long as they win game 1.
I guess Brewers have nothing to play for...locked into 3 seed. Right?
Correct. Though I wouldn't expect any team managed by Pat Murphy to lie down.
if they have something to play for and can beat AZ 2/3 the mets only need to beat MIL 2/3.
ultimately the mets main objective has to be sweeping milwaukee. wont be easy but we owe them for that opening series. would be kind of poetic to clinch on Sunday against them after how the season started against them.
Ideally both Mets and Braves both get in and forget the doubleheader.
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Budget left to each MLB team (international signing period 2023).
*No verbal agreements are included. Only officially signed on the table until September 6, 2024.
ARI $559,300
ATL $20,000
BAL $2,147,300
BOS $1,035,000
CHI $237,200
CIN $50,000
CLE $114,300
COL $857,800
CWS $975,000
DET $995,000
HOU $505,000
KC $622,300
LA $2,502,500
LAA $262,200
MIA $167,500
MIL $110,500
MIN $17,500
NYM $314,000
NYY $1,487,200
OAK $33,000
100% agree with throwing Manaea first. they need a win to get momentum in the right direction, also keeps him on track for a Wednesday start on normal rest which will be a pivot game. either an elimination game for mets or the team they are playing in WC if they get there.
game 2 will likely be whoever lines up for the 3rd game of the WC, so i think id go quintana over peterson (and both over megill) but i could be convinced either way. ideally there is some kind of advanced reason to choose one or the other vs Milwaukee.
i think you keep Severino on Sunday, because that lines him up for game 1 the following series. if somehow you have clinched by sunday, you probably hold him for tuesday. i guess there's maybe some thought to keeping him for monday against atlanta if those games look more important, but he obviously didnt fair so great against them a couple days ago and i dont like throwing a pitcher at a team that just saw him and appeared comfortable.
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100% agree with throwing Manaea first. they need a win to get momentum in the right direction, also keeps him on track for a Wednesday start on normal rest which will be a pivot game. either an elimination game for mets or the team they are playing in WC if they get there.
game 2 will likely be whoever lines up for the 3rd game of the WC, so i think id go quintana over peterson (and both over megill) but i could be convinced either way. ideally there is some kind of advanced reason to choose one or the other vs Milwaukee.
i think you keep Severino on Sunday, because that lines him up for game 1 the following series. if somehow you have clinched by sunday, you probably hold him for tuesday. i guess there's maybe some thought to keeping him for monday against atlanta if those games look more important, but he obviously didnt fair so great against them a couple days ago and i dont like throwing a pitcher at a team that just saw him and appeared comfortable.
And regarding of who is starting, the Mets bats have to be competitive and get some scoring going.
next up if they stick to their rotation would be tobias myers who is a good pitcher, but they appear to be keeping his innings down. just 4 innings in his last 2 starts. he gave up 1 run and 2 runs respectively. he has their lowest SP era so if innings are an issue, id imagine they'd most prefer to hold him for the WC series game 2. peralta obviously being held for game 1.
civale last started friday, i would guess he is likely he will start 1 of the games vs mets. he has a 4.36 era on the year.
colin rea's last start was last friday but he came into a game on tuesday for 1.1 innings from the BP, so he could be lined up for sunday like severino. or they could have been lining him up just in case they hadnt already clinched. rea has a 4 era so either way he's a guy they have no excuse to not put some runs on.
if i was brewers obviously id want to get guys who need innings innings, but i wouldnt want my best guys to throw against a team they could be facing a few days later in a real series that counts. obviously wouldnt want to burn my best guys either. mets have no excuse to not hit their way to at least 2 wins.
JT Ginn started for OAK vs Kumar Rocker for TEX.
Both starting pitchers did ok, neither was dominant (per the box score at least).
I know John Fisher is the target among many but being in construction and project development I will say the city council members and the banks that approve the use of subsidies are a big opponent as well. the AHJ can also make permitting a nightmare. Everyone has their hands out looking for some kinda of financial gain, slows things tremendously.
I think everyone should get a fair hit of blame on this not just Fisher however his name is attached to this because it's become household and ultimately its his decision to move the team.
Personally I think Fisher was in a really tough spot because he is getting crushed by media/fans for not updating the facility but you don't invest big dollars in renovations into a sunken costs like a dilapidated facility. So his push was always to build a new stadium.
Now could he have handled the whole ordeal better, absolutely. Putting that letter out was pretty tone-deaf as well. By no means am I standing up for Fisher just trying to offer and get more context.
Just sucks man. I lived in Portland for 4 years and the A's were a fav of the citizens there just because of the history of baseball in the PNW. An an as Mets fans I think we can all empathize being a die hard fan of a team with a horrible owner.
Royals are on a 3 game win streak with minnesota 3 games behind. they have singer, lugo, ragans lined up.
if atlanta drops 1 game, and mets can take 2/3 from milwaukee, then it comes down to splitting the DH. as long as SD also doen't get swept (which i think would cost them homefield advantage).
But with Arizona losing at least something went their way tonight.
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