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DanMetroMan : 9/25/2024 10:25 am
UNLV starting quarterback Matthew Sluka said he will not play any more games this season for the undefeated Rebels, citing "certain representations" not being upheld by the program.

Sluka announced his decision in a social media post late Tuesday night and added that he will use his redshirt this year.

"I committed to UNLV based on certain representations that were made to me, which were not upheld after I enrolled," Sluka posted on X. "Despite discussions, it became clear that these commitments would not be fulfilled in the future. I wish my teammates the best of luck this season and hope for the continued success of the program."

Sluka did not detail the reasons behind his decision, but college athletes are now routinely being paid for their name, image and likeness by companies or third-party organizations called collectives, which serve a particular school's athletes.

NCAA redshirt rules allow players to retain a year of eligibility if they play four or fewer games in a season. Sluka, who played four seasons (2020-23) at Holy Cross before transferring to UNLV this past offseason, still has one more year of eligibility that he could use at another school next season.
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RE: RE: The source is Sluka's  
widmerseyebrow : 9/25/2024 12:32 pm : link
In comment 16623330 ajr2456 said:
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I’ve seen some people say he just hired the agent recently so they weren’t involved in the transfer.


Nope, hired back in January






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Interesting  
ajr2456 : 9/25/2024 12:39 pm : link
UNLV seems to be feeding the narrative that they just hired him. Makes me think they are in the wrong
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Big time  
Pete in MD : 9/25/2024 12:40 pm : link
college sports has an issue on their hands. It will soon be like world soccer where players go to the highest bidder.

It's not really incorrect. The free education given doesn't match up to the millions the schools make.
RE: Local kid btw  
Pete in MD : 9/25/2024 12:43 pm : link
In comment 16623315 ajr2456 said:
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Locust Valley and went to Kellenberg

So why does he need extra money? :-)
RE: Interesting  
widmerseyebrow : 9/25/2024 12:44 pm : link
In comment 16623355 ajr2456 said:
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I don't know. That guy is a writer for 247 though, not a rep of UNLV.
RE: RE: Local kid btw  
ajr2456 : 9/25/2024 12:48 pm : link
In comment 16623361 Pete in MD said:
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Locust Valley and went to Kellenberg


So why does he need extra money? :-)


I’m sure pops can float him the missing $97k lol
RE: RE: Interesting  
ajr2456 : 9/25/2024 12:48 pm : link
In comment 16623363 widmerseyebrow said:
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I don't know. That guy is a writer for 247 though, not a rep of UNLV.


But he didn’t get that info out of nowhere
NCAA  
pjcas18 : 9/25/2024 12:50 pm : link
sports are now a big fight to see who can be the greediest.

the schools, the "student" athletes, the agents, it's mostly greed that drives everything now.
RE: The source is Sluka's  
Mad Mike : 9/25/2024 12:51 pm : link
In comment 16623328 widmerseyebrow said:
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The rumor on the UNLV side is that Sluka asked UNLV for more money since they are 3-0 and #23 in the coaches poll.

Who is telling the truth?

Sluka's father claims that's untrue.
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Bob Sluka, father of UNLV QB Matthew Sluka, told ESPN that his son's agents agreed to an NIL deal with the school back in February, never received payments despite requests and never asked for any adjustments to the original deal. "They keep deferring, 'We don't know. You have to wait,'" Bob Sluka told me. "Then it was like, 'We're going to give him game checks.' So we're like, 'OK, great.' We did not ask for a single dollar [more]."

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I have a kid that something similar happened with a Big 10 school  
ajr2456 : 9/25/2024 12:53 pm : link
He transferred midseason, took a lot of heat for it but never went public with what really happened. Probably should have, and if I was advising them at the time I would have said to.
This was true in 1919 too Shecky  
pjcas18 : 9/25/2024 12:55 pm : link
"Because a Black Sox scandal today will only piss off half the people that bet on the games. The other half won, and won't care."

RE: RE: The source is Sluka's  
widmerseyebrow : 9/25/2024 12:56 pm : link
In comment 16623374 Mad Mike said:
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Bob Sluka, father of UNLV QB Matthew Sluka, told ESPN that his son's agents agreed to an NIL deal with the school back in February, never received payments despite requests and never asked for any adjustments to the original deal. "They keep deferring, 'We don't know. You have to wait,'" Bob Sluka told me. "Then it was like, 'We're going to give him game checks.' So we're like, 'OK, great.' We did not ask for a single dollar [more]."


Bad look for UNLV if they were expecting to pull the wool over his eyes for an entire season, but that still doesn't excuse or explain how their "agent" got nothing in writing. Maybe the agent was the one telling them "the checks in the mail?"
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widmerseyebrow : 9/25/2024 1:12 pm : link
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widmerseyebrow : 9/25/2024 1:18 pm : link
Yikes  
ajr2456 : 9/25/2024 1:20 pm : link
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Get it  
Blueworm : 9/25/2024 1:24 pm : link
In writing.
Looks really bad for the agent  
widmerseyebrow : 9/25/2024 1:30 pm : link
Sluka's dad says the agent told them a deal was in place back in February. UNLV's NIL collective says the guy didn't reach out to them until late August and they have the emails to prove it. Guy wasn't even registered in Nevada. Agent admits nothing was in writing. Sounds like the agent was asleep at the wheel for 7 months.
Agent apparently doesn’t know the rules  
ajr2456 : 9/25/2024 2:09 pm : link
And thought you had to wait until you were enrolled to negotiate the NIL contract
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Apparently the CEO of the agency doesn’t know the rules either  
ajr2456 : 9/25/2024 2:17 pm : link
They rep Patrick Mahomes, BTW
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RE: RE: just the  
giantsFC : 9/25/2024 2:55 pm : link
In comment 16623194 HitSquad said:
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If I were a player I'd definitely want to choose where I will and won't go ala Eli Manning. I big part of how successful your career will go depends on if your drafted by a competent organization.


This! It is a bit unfair to have the worst teams consistently get to ruin the careers of special talent, particularly quaterbacks, WR & pass rushers.

Athletes do enough of their own doing to ruin themselves, they don't need outside help.
RE: people are furious out here, 3-0 start and he leaves  
Heisenberg : 9/25/2024 3:53 pm : link
In comment 16623256 gtt350 said:
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college football is a farce now just a minor league for the NFL and how many damn years can you now go to college


It was always minor league football
One of my good friend is a D1 Women’s Tennis Coach  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/25/2024 5:53 pm : link
The combination of the transfer portal and NIL payments is making it a feeding frenzy even in women’s tennis. You used to have to recruit a freshman class. Now it is constant issues in retaining players because most coaches all feel huge pressure to win.

While I support student athletes being paid, the Wild West approach of the current model is leading to huge dysfunction. Athletes are getting increasingly entitled.
Well it used to be a novel concept  
pjcas18 : 9/25/2024 6:00 pm : link
you, as an athlete, trade your god given talents, plus the hard work you put in, for an education. That was a significant trade off. If you were in the top 1% of the top 1% then maybe you made a career out of the sport.

lol.

it hasn't been that for a long time, because universities prioritized success of the football program (or basketball program or baseball program, etc.) over everything else and the pendulum swung too far, and student athletes were being exploited and cast aside for better options. Now the pendulum is over-correcting IMO. High School kids are committing to colleges as sophomores and getting NIL deals at 16.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/25/2024 6:44 pm : link
Regardless of who is to blame, I know a lot of people who have sorta tuned out CF with the explosion of NIL/portal. I, for one, don't have a problem with it, but it has totally changed the sport & I get why some are turned off. It used to be guys would be there for 3 or 4 years & now seemingly half the roster is turned over every year.
It also seems like  
pjcas18 : 9/25/2024 6:56 pm : link
a lot of players are in college for a long, long time.

this guy from UNLV that the thread is about played 4 years at Holy Cross. Now he plays three games this year at UNLV will red shirt and go somewhere else.

the guy from Miami, the tight end, has been in college 9 years.

DeVito spent 6 years in college (red shirt freshman year then 4 years at Syracuse, one year at Illinois = 6 years) and applied for a 7th year of eligibility but was denied or he wouldn't have even been on the Giants last year.

I get some of legit scenarios, but it just doesn't seem right to me for some reason.

pjcas.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/25/2024 7:00 pm : link
I remember watching Colorado-Colorado State last fall @ a bar & Colorado State's kicker was-& I might be off a year or two-was like 32. I thought it was a typo @ first, but then I Googled it & the dude was in his 30s with a wife & like 4 kids.
RE: people are furious out here, 3-0 start and he leaves  
BigBlueBuff : 9/25/2024 7:46 pm : link
In comment 16623256 gtt350 said:
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college football is a farce now just a minor league for the NFL and how many damn years can you now go to college

Still overwhelmingly the second most popular sport in the United States and in some regions the MOST popular. That doesn't sound much like "a farce"

Kids who got a COVID year plus a redshirt can technically be in school for 6 years with 5 years of eligibility. Now that COVID is over, we are now back to 5/4 years like it has been for the past 75 years. The only exception are medical redshirts, but those aren't really all that common.
The current hybrid rules don't make sense.  
81_Great_Dane : 9/25/2024 7:59 pm : link
Eventually, this will shake out into CFB as a professional minor league; the facade of "free education" will be dropped; the players will have to be enrolled so they're "students," and taking classes, but for top NIL earners, the scholarship will be reduced or eliminated. They'll be employees.

Given the amount of money around top CFB programs, that seems fair to me, but it's going to be a rough transition.
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Banks : 9/25/2024 8:26 pm : link
Yikes. What a shit show.
RE: Big time  
HomerJones45 : 9/25/2024 9:12 pm : link
In comment 16623357 Pete in MD said:
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college sports has an issue on their hands. It will soon be like world soccer where players go to the highest bidder.

It's not really incorrect. The free education given doesn't match up to the millions the schools make.
it is already. These are professional sports teams where the teams who turn out the most money are going to get the players. What would the NFL be if all players had 1 year contracts, no draft and no salary cap?

Wait until schools start using ex- NFL players and telling the NCAA to shove their eligibility rules up their collective asses.
RE: people are furious out here, 3-0 start and he leaves  
Jesse B : 9/25/2024 9:19 pm : link
In comment 16623256 gtt350 said:
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college football is a farce now just a minor league for the NFL and how many damn years can you now go to college



Always been a farce just not in the shadows anymore
RE: RE: Big time  
ajr2456 : 9/25/2024 9:42 pm : link
In comment 16623781 HomerJones45 said:
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college sports has an issue on their hands. It will soon be like world soccer where players go to the highest bidder.

It's not really incorrect. The free education given doesn't match up to the millions the schools make.

it is already. These are professional sports teams where the teams who turn out the most money are going to get the players. What would the NFL be if all players had 1 year contracts, no draft and no salary cap?

Wait until schools start using ex- NFL players and telling the NCAA to shove their eligibility rules up their collective asses.


That won’t happen. 0.0% chance the courts allow that
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widmerseyebrow : 9/25/2024 9:48 pm : link
In comment 16623683 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Regardless of who is to blame, I know a lot of people who have sorta tuned out CF with the explosion of NIL/portal. I, for one, don't have a problem with it, but it has totally changed the sport & I get why some are turned off. It used to be guys would be there for 3 or 4 years & now seemingly half the roster is turned over every year.


I get this sentiment more from fans of the traditional powerhouses, especially my buddy who is an Alabama fan. Their depth is getting poached. They're still top dogs but the playing field is now tilting toward anyone who has deep pockets. That can be schools who haven't traditionally been good.
It’s only a matter of time till  
Gforce11 : 9/26/2024 1:54 am : link
A NFL team starts paying the “student” athletes directly for exclusive signing rights post schooling, even high school. Basically start my own minor team..fuck this draft shit…we’re probably headed there anyway.

Giants would never do this but I can see a team like Philly start something like this.
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Blueworm : 9/26/2024 10:33 am : link
In comment 16623839 Gforce11 said:
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A NFL team starts paying the “student” athletes directly for exclusive signing rights post schooling, even high school. Basically start my own minor team..fuck this draft shit…we’re probably headed there anyway.

Giants would never do this but I can see a team like Philly start something like this.


They don't draft soccer players. They sign em at 16
RE: RE: RE: Big time  
HomerJones45 : 9/26/2024 11:28 am : link
In comment 16623787 ajr2456 said:
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college sports has an issue on their hands. It will soon be like world soccer where players go to the highest bidder.

It's not really incorrect. The free education given doesn't match up to the millions the schools make.

it is already. These are professional sports teams where the teams who turn out the most money are going to get the players. What would the NFL be if all players had 1 year contracts, no draft and no salary cap?

Wait until schools start using ex- NFL players and telling the NCAA to shove their eligibility rules up their collective asses.



That won’t happen. 0.0% chance the courts allow that
Just the opposite. Who is the NCAA, a collection of competitors, to set rules as to how long someone can stay in college? It's an antitrust issue. The schools will say "well this is education" while there are hundreds of millions of dollars swooshing around and schools are pocketing tens of millions in profits.

The eligibility rule won't last 10 minutes if someone challenges it, and it will get challenged.
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widmerseyebrow : 9/26/2024 11:37 am : link
In comment 16624013 HomerJones45 said:
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Just the opposite. Who is the NCAA, a collection of competitors, to set rules as to how long someone can stay in college? It's an antitrust issue. The schools will say "well this is education" while there are hundreds of millions of dollars swooshing around and schools are pocketing tens of millions in profits.

The eligibility rule won't last 10 minutes if someone challenges it, and it will get challenged.


I've been wondering this myself. Take a guy like Sluka who will never be an NFL QB, or any number of decent college passing QBs who have dim NFL prospects but can help programs win. There are a number of teams that would gladly play and pay a QB like that until he's 30 for the stability, continuity, and ability to focus on recruiting other positions. QBs are harder to find and develop. I think its a matter of time before a program decides they want to keep their Chris Weinke around indefinitely.
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pjcas18 : 9/26/2024 11:39 am : link
In comment 16624024 widmerseyebrow said:
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Just the opposite. Who is the NCAA, a collection of competitors, to set rules as to how long someone can stay in college? It's an antitrust issue. The schools will say "well this is education" while there are hundreds of millions of dollars swooshing around and schools are pocketing tens of millions in profits.

The eligibility rule won't last 10 minutes if someone challenges it, and it will get challenged.



I've been wondering this myself. Take a guy like Sluka who will never be an NFL QB, or any number of decent college passing QBs who have dim NFL prospects but can help programs win. There are a number of teams that would gladly play and pay a QB like that until he's 30 for the stability, continuity, and ability to focus on recruiting other positions. QBs are harder to find and develop. I think its a matter of time before a program decides they want to keep their Chris Weinke around indefinitely.


exactly strip away any feigned academic affiliation completely and just focus on the sports aspect.

Kind of like in Old School how they could be in a fraternity where half of them didn't even go to school. If Blue had eligibility in his 90's, Sluka can until he's 30.
there needs to be some sort of structure  
BigBlueCane : 9/26/2024 12:09 pm : link
or common contract language that guarantees the players get the money they are promised but also guarantees the person paying the money gets something for their investment. Rather then just having to redo talks every few games or even every season.
I think players are going to insist on NIL contracts,  
Section331 : 9/26/2024 12:25 pm : link
and won't accept oral promises. As a Fordham alum, Sluka was a major pain in the ass at Holy Cross, but I don't think he'll be that difficult for UNLV to replace. He's completing less than 50% of his passes and has just over 300 yds passing in 3 games.

A lot of his game is predicated on his ability to run the ball, and he does have 250 yards rushing, but I don't think he's done enough to be a viable threat offensively. I think he'll have to drop back down to FCS to get a starting spot next year, if any team cares enough to give him one.
RE: I think players are going to insist on NIL contracts,  
widmerseyebrow : 9/26/2024 12:34 pm : link
In comment 16624057 Section331 said:
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and won't accept oral promises. As a Fordham alum, Sluka was a major pain in the ass at Holy Cross, but I don't think he'll be that difficult for UNLV to replace. He's completing less than 50% of his passes and has just over 300 yds passing in 3 games.

A lot of his game is predicated on his ability to run the ball, and he does have 250 yards rushing, but I don't think he's done enough to be a viable threat offensively. I think he'll have to drop back down to FCS to get a starting spot next year, if any team cares enough to give him one.


Yep, and I think UNLV was not in a rush to give him a raise because he was on the verge of being replaced by their other 5th year transfer if he didn't show improvement in the passing game. That Go-Go offense needs a dual threat QB and Sluka, while great running the ball, was not delivering through the air. Their best player the last two years, WR Ricky White, has been mostly invisible in the stats this year.
Face facts  
JohnF : 9/26/2024 12:35 pm : link
The current situation in College Football is untenable. What needs to happen:

1) A College Players Union needs to form.
2) The Major Colleges need to negotiate a Collective Bargaining Agreement with that Union.
3) As part of that CBA, NIL agreements, a Cap for D1, D2 and D3 Colleges/Universities, along with other agreed solutions for length of season, etc.

Otherwise, the current situation will turn into a massive morass of lawsuits. And yes, this means College Sports will be officially Pro Sports, probably similar to the European Soccer Model.

The current NIL is simply a band aid on a massive trauma. It won't hold as is, with all the lawyer sharks going after it.

Result? You're going to see a LOT of colleges simply drop D1, D2 and D3 sports, and go to a club model. It's happening already, but this will speed it up (even with the increased TV playoff money). You will get a "Super Conference", which will satisfy TV, and keep the money pump going.

People will bitch about it (like they did after the Curt Flood decision, and how it changed Baseball), but it's going to happen. Things are not going back to the way it was.
RE: people are furious out here, 3-0 start and he leaves  
Bingo : 9/26/2024 12:36 pm : link
In comment 16623256 gtt350 said:
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college football is a farce now just a minor league for the NFL and how many damn years can you now go to college


It ALWAYS was a minor league for the NFL. The only thing that has changed is the players have more power. Good for them.
JohnF  
cosmicj : 9/26/2024 12:42 pm : link
Interesting post. One other thing to consider is how CTE is driving up the cost of football programs via insurance premiums. Colleges are dropping their football teams due to that alone.
RE: JohnF  
JohnF : 9/26/2024 12:48 pm : link
In comment 16624075 cosmicj said:
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Interesting post. One other thing to consider is how CTE is driving up the cost of football programs via insurance premiums. Colleges are dropping their football teams due to that alone.


The same reason the NFL needed a Players Union to negotiate a CBA will apply to College. Otherwise, you'll have a massive Anti-Trust Lawsuit against the NCAA. I'm shocked that hasn't happened yet.

The issue with College Players Union was that players graduated, but now with NIL payments, there is the risk that players who graduated will still ask for NIL payments for rights usage.

As far as CTE goes, that will affect all contact sports. Again, a College CBA is needed to protect the Colleges/Universities, so I think it will happen.
also I don't want  
BigBlueCane : 9/26/2024 12:57 pm : link
the NCAA involved with this at any level. That organization is a failure and a sham.
RE: Face facts  
Blueworm : 9/26/2024 1:04 pm : link
In comment 16624069 JohnF said:
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The current situation in College Football is untenable. What needs to happen:

1) A College Players Union needs to form.
2) The Major Colleges need to negotiate a Collective Bargaining Agreement with that Union.
3) As part of that CBA, NIL agreements, a Cap for D1, D2 and D3 Colleges/Universities, along with other agreed solutions for length of season, etc.

Otherwise, the current situation will turn into a massive morass of lawsuits. And yes, this means College Sports will be officially Pro Sports, probably similar to the European Soccer Model.

The current NIL is simply a band aid on a massive trauma. It won't hold as is, with all the lawyer sharks going after it.

Result? You're going to see a LOT of colleges simply drop D1, D2 and D3 sports, and go to a club model. It's happening already, but this will speed it up (even with the increased TV playoff money). You will get a "Super Conference", which will satisfy TV, and keep the money pump going.

People will bitch about it (like they did after the Curt Flood decision, and how it changed Baseball), but it's going to happen. Things are not going back to the way it was.


Will the NFL continue its hold, if fewer people participate in the sport?

I'll be honest, I only watch because I played. The experience of playing is something I can relate to, and the emotions attached to winning and losing. It's hard to get newcomers to the sport to stick with it.

Sure, you can branch out to the Global South (3rd world to you old farts) to get your desperate gladiators.
Eventually, Japan's problem with sumo will present here.
"College" Football has actually been Professional minor league  
arniefez : 9/26/2024 1:34 pm : link
football for well over a decade. The only thing that's really changed is that now all teams can participate in it out in the open.

RE:  
Semipro Lineman : 9/26/2024 2:25 pm : link
In comment 16624116 arniefez said:
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football for well over a decade. The only thing that's really changed is that now all teams can participate in it out in the open.


Only over a decade? Considering the SMU scandal and other nonsense in the 80's for football and how the basketball talent pipeline got infiltrated by " family representatives" in the 90's, I can't remember a time when it wasn't.

Also SI is reporting that a member of the UNLV running back rotation is also leaving and citing NIL issues. Maybe there is smoke there but it could also be a playing time thing
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re: implementing a cap  
widmerseyebrow : 9/26/2024 4:06 pm : link
Personally I have no desire to see this.

We already have the NFL, and while the cap promotes fairness, it has also created a super flat league where luck, especially with injuries, drives a lot of the success and failure. It feels like 80-90% of the league is pretty mediocre without much separation.

College football is a lot more exciting to me, especially with the expanded playoff. With the current NIL free agency, mid-major schools with financial resources can be competitive now and play meaningful post-season games. I don't think there is a need or even a desire by most of college football to level the playing field even more so that the small-town cellar dwellers are on the same playing field as the Georgias and Alabamas.
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