NFT: parking in electric charger spaces in gas vehicles

If I were to put myself in the shoes of one driving an EV and needing a EV spot, only to see a vehicle parked there that was not an EV, I would be pretty annoyed.

the same etiquette that exists (or should) on an airplane re: putting your luggage overhead in a row that isn't yours.

In comment 16624132 LG in NYC said:

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the same etiquette that exists (or should) on an airplane re: putting your luggage overhead in a row that isn't yours.

Funny thing, I was near the Bronx Vet Center last Night and I saw someone charging their vehicle on the street from their 2nd floor apt with an charger extension cord going from the car, to a nearby light pole, wrapped up the pole, stretching to their apt's fire escape, and then through a window into the apt. I was impressed by the ingenuity.

Also by their faith that some asshole walking by won't fuck with it.

Should be similar to a handicap space, except that anyone parked there should be using the charger or they should find another space. The EV charger space is a convenience but should not be abused.

For the record, I don’t have an EV.

And that was really the only spot then you were, in essence, given permission by them to park and that was the only available parking spot. That’s on them it seems to me. And it’s no different whether or not yours was an electric car. The spot would still be unavailable to another car.

If the garage wants to mark it as EV's only they can do that. But they didn't, and you paid to park and that entitles you to park. You shouldn't just take the first open spot if it happens to be a charging spot, but if you've driven around a bit, seems like fair game to me.

horizontally across multiple EV spaces.

are the assholes that park in handicapped spaces.

they get up front access and have way more spots designated that are never used. I’ll follow the standard etiquette norms but if it’s a packed lot that I paid to park in and no one is using it, oh well.

then they should pay in advance for a reserved spot and special parking pass if not they can just roll the dice like every other patron.

In comment 16624179 Blue Baas said:

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then they should pay in advance for a reserved spot and special parking pass if not they can just roll the dice like every other patron.

100%. I gas up before I head out, EV owners should to the same. Treating it like you get VIP access is ridiculous.

to park a gas car there but as every Tesla owner I know is a raging douche I don't really care...

I'd love to hear the justification as to why anyone who purchases an electric vehicle feels entitled to any specific benefit in a parking garage.

Is it because they feel that they don't have access to charging stations in a similar way that gas car owners have access to gas stations?

Is it because somehow they feel their cars are more valuable and should be in premier spots, similar to the guy who drives a Porsche to a restaurant and gives the valet a $20 to "keep it close"?

OR- as I suspect-

Is it just a smug entitlement attitude that they are somehow benefiting the globe by driving electric and the plebs who drive gas should fall in line behind them in general life order and park elsewhere leaving those prime spots available only to the enlightened EV drivers?

When an EV driver parks in am EV spot but does not charge the car

In comment 16624237 DefenseWins said:

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When an EV driver parks in am EV spot but does not charge the car

1. Or an EV driver parking in NON EV spot (which of course there are lot more of).

2. It's not illegal (I believe the handicap spots are mandated by law). EV spots are not mandated, they just have a charger in them.

In comment 16624179 Blue Baas said:

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then they should pay in advance for a reserved spot and special parking pass if not they can just roll the dice like every other patron.

They aren't there for parking, they are there for charging. You are essentially eliminating parking spots from a lot with chargers even though it is striped.

Think of it like if it was a gas pump in a parking lot instead. It's there to fuel and go. Obviously the caveat is it takes longer to charge than to fuel up.

Anybody who parks their EV at a charging spot longer than 30 minutes is an asshole too. It doesn't take longer than that to charge.

In comment 16624269 BH28 said:

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In comment 16624179 Blue Baas said: Quote: then they should pay in advance for a reserved spot and special parking pass if not they can just roll the dice like every other patron. They aren't there for parking, they are there for charging. You are essentially eliminating parking spots from a lot with chargers even though it is striped. Think of it like if it was a gas pump in a parking lot instead. It's there to fuel and go. Obviously the caveat is it takes longer to charge than to fuel up. Anybody who parks their EV at a charging spot longer than 30 minutes is an asshole too. It doesn't take longer than that to charge.

Then they should pay a different rate than the people who are there for parking.

In comment 16624273 Blue Baas said:

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In comment 16624269 BH28 said: Quote: In comment 16624179 Blue Baas said: Quote: then they should pay in advance for a reserved spot and special parking pass if not they can just roll the dice like every other patron. They aren't there for parking, they are there for charging. You are essentially eliminating parking spots from a lot with chargers even though it is striped. Think of it like if it was a gas pump in a parking lot instead. It's there to fuel and go. Obviously the caveat is it takes longer to charge than to fuel up. Anybody who parks their EV at a charging spot longer than 30 minutes is an asshole too. It doesn't take longer than that to charge. Then they should pay a different rate than the people who are there for parking.

Lower? Since they are paying to charge? Nobody is going into a public pay lot just to charge. So installing chargers in a pay lot is kind of stupid in the first place.

The utility is apartment building lots or commerical buildings where having spots avilable for charging is probably the only current feasible alternative to get people in dense urban areas to buy electric vehicles since they lack a home garage to charge.

In comment 16624183 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 16624179 Blue Baas said: Quote: then they should pay in advance for a reserved spot and special parking pass if not they can just roll the dice like every other patron. 100%. I gas up before I head out, EV owners should to the same. Treating it like you get VIP access is ridiculous.

And what if the EV driver had driven all day and needed to charge? It's not at issue that EV charging stations are not on every corner. Imagine if there was only one gas station every 30 miles. Imagine if the situation was reversed and these were gas pumps and you desperately needed gas and someone parked their EV there. And no, I don't have an EV.

I need more info. What type of parking garage was this. Where was it. How often do cars come and go? Was there an attendant?

In comment 16624205 BJacobs The Tiptoe Bandit said:

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I'd love to hear the justification as to why anyone who purchases an electric vehicle feels entitled to any specific benefit in a parking garage. Is it because they feel that they don't have access to charging stations in a similar way that gas car owners have access to gas stations? Is it because somehow they feel their cars are more valuable and should be in premier spots, similar to the guy who drives a Porsche to a restaurant and gives the valet a $20 to "keep it close"? OR- as I suspect- Is it just a smug entitlement attitude that they are somehow benefiting the globe by driving electric and the plebs who drive gas should fall in line behind them in general life order and park elsewhere leaving those prime spots available only to the enlightened EV drivers?

Or did the parking garage add charging stations to get EV owner's business. And they likely get a fee for drivers using them. In other words, the EV user is in effect paying extra to park there than gas vehicle drivers.

Nowhere in the post did the guy say where in the garage they were, or how many there were. I assume it was paid parking, but maybe not.

What's more infuriating is people who put a Suburban in a spot reserved for small vehicles. That's entitlement.

And I don't drive an EV or an economy car.

In comment 16624269 BH28 said:

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They aren't there for parking, they are there for charging. You are essentially eliminating parking spots from a lot with chargers even though it is striped. Think of it like if it was a gas pump in a parking lot instead.

Except that, according to the OP, there weren't any other spots available (until someone happened to pull out). The garage hadn't put up a "full" sign to turn people away, so obviously it considers those spots available as parking spots. People who pay the garage for parking should then similarly treat them as parking spots (albeit probably as a last resort).

In comment 16624273 Blue Baas said:

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In comment 16624269 BH28 said: Quote: In comment 16624179 Blue Baas said: Quote: then they should pay in advance for a reserved spot and special parking pass if not they can just roll the dice like every other patron. They aren't there for parking, they are there for charging. You are essentially eliminating parking spots from a lot with chargers even though it is striped. Think of it like if it was a gas pump in a parking lot instead. It's there to fuel and go. Obviously the caveat is it takes longer to charge than to fuel up. Anybody who parks their EV at a charging spot longer than 30 minutes is an asshole too. It doesn't take longer than that to charge. Then they should pay a different rate than the people who are there for parking.

The garage almost assuedly gets a cut from the charging cost, so they likely are paying more.

View it as the same as when somebody pulls into a gas sation takes up a pump does not fuel up but walks into the gas station to shop around. You can do it all day long but its not very polite

And then go in for a sandwich. Fill up your car, pay for your gas, then go park in a spot and shop for your food. Consideration for others is dying out. As for the parking garage thing, that's tricky if there's no other spaces but there was a trend for awhile, (politically motivated) of people in big IC trucks purposely blocking ev chargers at rest areas just to prove some kind of a point. (Similar to the idiots who like to "roll coal") And that is just super dicky.

In comment 16624324 k2tampa said:

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In comment 16624183 UConn4523 said: Quote: In comment 16624179 Blue Baas said: Quote: then they should pay in advance for a reserved spot and special parking pass if not they can just roll the dice like every other patron. 100%. I gas up before I head out, EV owners should to the same. Treating it like you get VIP access is ridiculous. And what if the EV driver had driven all day and needed to charge? It's not at issue that EV charging stations are not on every corner. Imagine if there was only one gas station every 30 miles. Imagine if the situation was reversed and these were gas pumps and you desperately needed gas and someone parked their EV there. And no, I don't have an EV. I need more info. What type of parking garage was this. Where was it. How often do cars come and go? Was there an attendant?

Oh well. In my world gas stations do exist everywhere and I purchase my vehicles accordingly. Society shouldn’t revolve around whether or not you need to charge your car at Whole Foods.

I haven’t done this, I believe in etiquette. But buying an EV doesn’t put your needs above mine and that’s how it’s being treated by some, and certainly the businesses who put the spots right up front that are almost never used.

In comment 16624454 UConn4523 said:

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I haven’t done this, I believe in etiquette. But buying an EV doesn’t put your needs above mine and that’s how it’s being treated by some, and certainly the businesses who put the spots right up front that are almost never used.

Blame the businesses that do that because they want to make money from it.

In comment 16624454 UConn4523 said:

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I haven’t done this, I believe in etiquette. But buying an EV doesn’t put your needs above mine and that’s how it’s being treated by some, and certainly the businesses who put the spots right up front that are almost never used.

Where do you guys live that 'premium' parking is being taken up by EV charging spots? In CA, its nowhere near the front of buildings.

I can't see how you can blame an EV driver for the location of EV charging stalls. Blame an engineer or the owner. I can tell you from experience that location is more than likely as close as possible to a power source to cut down on conduit and conductor costs.

In comment 16624132 LG in NYC said:

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the same etiquette that exists (or should) on an airplane re: putting your luggage overhead in a row that isn't yours.

Unless you have 2 seats in the bulkhead. The overhead only fits one carry on.