It’s just a bad team. Something always misfires to seemingly cost a win - this time the WRs drop 4 passes in the clutch.
But the larger picture is, they just don’t play well enough as a group to win, because they aren’t that good. They do certain things well at certain times. But not enough.
Was Dexter Lawrence and Brian Burns on the fucking field tonight?
It’s just a bad team. Something always misfires to seemingly cost a win - this time the WRs drop 4 passes in the clutch.
But the larger picture is, they just don’t play well enough as a group to win, because they aren’t that good. They do certain things well at certain times. But not enough.
Was Dexter Lawrence and Brian Burns on the fucking field tonight?
WFT is not a bad team. We are
The generals are the team the globetrotters play..
We just hate watching the same movie over and over, season after season. Tonight’s loss was predictable. Dallas has owned us. Jones loses in prime time. I knew it going into tonight. It is the same script season after season, and a lot of us just want to see something new and different.
Jones was not the reason we lost to Dallas. Not the reason we lost to Washington. The kid is balling and you know he doesn’t have full strength in that leg. He was throwing bee bees tonight it’s just we can’t catch. These guys are pros getting paid it’s crazy. And Hyatt show him the door. No effort even if he plays only 3 snaps. Kid is useless.
We just hate watching the same movie over and over, season after season. Tonight’s loss was predictable. Dallas has owned us. Jones loses in prime time. I knew it going into tonight. It is the same script season after season, and a lot of us just want to see something new and different.
Jones was not the reason we lost to Dallas. Not the reason we lost to Washington. The kid is balling and you know he doesn’t have full strength in that leg. He was throwing bee bees tonight it’s just we can’t catch. These guys are pros getting paid it’s crazy. And Hyatt show him the door. No effort even if he plays only 3 snaps. Kid is useless.
This thinking is exactly the problem. While you can argue he was not the problem in those 2 losses, you cab also argue he is not the solution. That is something you should not be saying about #6 pick in his 6th year and in the middle of a serious contract that, at the time paid him like a top 10 (I don't recall the exact spot) QB.
If this is really hos the season is going, AGAIN, the Giants actually have to make a business decision about how they will manage Jones and the injury clause. Personally, I would seriously consider benching him at some point soon so that clause doesn't kick in. They nee3d to be able to cut him in the off season. The mere fact that I am already talking about the off season in September is highlighting the problem, of which Jones is a huge part.
“Our game plan was to beat them with 50 3-yard passes and hopefully get a TD or two. We executed that well. Weird we didn’t win.”
Daboll is either making the point to management that he can’t win with Jones, or he is one of the absolute dumbest offensive minds in the NFL right now.
Maybe not the dumbest but certainly not the most innovative or creative.
How many passes were made to TEs
That's one of the weirdest things to me, especially with Johnson on the field so much. Personally, while it is obvious they don't have any plays specifically dialed up for the TE yet, Jones is a bug reason why we haven't seen a ton of targets to the TE. He doesn't go through progressions.
Play Neal we need to see if he can play RG and maybe help us run the ball better.
Trade slayton, play Hyatt/BFW/Hodgins - we need more size at WR badly - force DJ to throw it deep to Hyatt.
Bellinger should be getting 90% of snaps and Theo needs to be downgraded to TE2.
call up Dante Miller and give him run at RB2/3 over gray/tracy, we need juice at RB so bad.
On defense:
Give Riley/Chatman more of a chance over Roches/Davidson.
Whitley has to get some run at ER, we need some juice.
Have Banks guard WR2 and let McCloud play some WR1.
I want to see Johnson/Belton play a bit over Nubin, hes just not fast enough back there. Belton has a nose for teh ball we need some turnovers god damn.
On specials:
We need gunner back badly at KR/PR/WR. KR is a disaster position for us right now.
Pleae stop the Neal to RG talk. He has not practiced at OG at all. That kind of move isn't happening in the middle of the season unless a lot of people get hurt.
I just don't understand how that happens. The official who threw the flag indicated it was on the D, the Referee seemed to indicate the same after the initial conversation, and McCarthy looked annoyed. Then they call it on Bellinger, whose hands were not even near the helmet and his facemask was very noticeably grabbed. You would think he had to have made a mistake when calling it on Bellinger, like maybe a miscommunication. But, how does nobody correct him? And how does nobody from Bellinger, Daboll, etc. not go nuts and argue? It was so early in the game, but such a critical play.
and I will repeat it - three drives in a row Slayton, Robinson and Nabers dropped quite catchable balls that would have sustained drives.
Yes, the play calling was mundane. You can do the usual and blame Jones for whatever you want, but three late drives were killed by balls that should have been caught.
Perhaps Jones inability to connect on deep balls is a root cause. But even the last one that was intercepted, Hyatt didn't even try for that ball, he just fell away from it.
and I will repeat it - three drives in a row Slayton, Robinson and Nabers dropped quite catchable balls that would have sustained drives.
Yes, the play calling was mundane. You can do the usual and blame Jones for whatever you want, but three late drives were killed by balls that should have been caught.
Perhaps Jones inability to connect on deep balls is a root cause. But even the last one that was intercepted, Hyatt didn't even try for that ball, he just fell away from it.
Some posters will never admit there are other problems outside of Jones. Slayton sucks. Robinson was awful last night. The last one to nabers was a tough pass and catch - so not too much blame there.
But those drops by Slayton and Robinson are just ignored by the resident experts.
Playcalling is awful. But people here love Daboll for some reason.
We just hate watching the same movie over and over, season after season. Tonight’s loss was predictable. Dallas has owned us. Jones loses in prime time. I knew it going into tonight. It is the same script season after season, and a lot of us just want to see something new and different.
Jones was not the reason we lost to Dallas. Not the reason we lost to Washington. The kid is balling and you know he doesn’t have full strength in that leg. He was throwing bee bees tonight it’s just we can’t catch. These guys are pros getting paid it’s crazy. And Hyatt show him the door. No effort even if he plays only 3 snaps. Kid is useless.
“Balling”
Some of you are so easily fooled and have such a low bar
I'm so sick of reading how Jones was not the reason they lost
Is that supposed to be better? The offense sucks. Averaging 15 ppg is awful. He doesn't make enough big plays. How about hitting a deep ball? Every QB deals with drops. He never overcomes anything.
It's always the same crap. "Plays efficient" Everything needs to be perfect in this offense, long drives which leave no margin for error. Never any explosive plays.
But yeah, not the reason they lost! The standards are so fucking low.
RE: I'm so sick of reading how Jones was not the reason they lost
Is that supposed to be better? The offense sucks. Averaging 15 ppg is awful. He doesn't make enough big plays. How about hitting a deep ball? Every QB deals with drops. He never overcomes anything.
It's always the same crap. "Plays efficient" Everything needs to be perfect in this offense, long drives which leave no margin for error. Never any explosive plays.
But yeah, not the reason they lost! The standards are so fucking low.
I am tired of our coaching calling plays like a complete pussy. If he is that afraid of Jones throwing it - then he should be a HC.
Sticking with Daboll is becoming problem 1A for the giants.
If that is considered playing well, then your standards are too low. Other than the busted coverage play to Nabers, when did we challenge Dallas' defense down the field (not throw up a prayer ball). Its all 3 yard completions, hope for YAC.
Whether Daboll doesn't trust DJ or DJ just doesn't want to throw down the field, what we are seeing is boring, uninspired football. Yeah, you can win a few games this way, but you won't contend for a division title, Super Bowl, etc. Burn it all down.
We just hate watching the same movie over and over, season after season. Tonight’s loss was predictable. Dallas has owned us. Jones loses in prime time. I knew it going into tonight. It is the same script season after season, and a lot of us just want to see something new and different.
Jones was not the reason we lost to Dallas. Not the reason we lost to Washington. The kid is balling and you know he doesn’t have full strength in that leg. He was throwing bee bees tonight it’s just we can’t catch. These guys are pros getting paid it’s crazy. And Hyatt show him the door. No effort even if he plays only 3 snaps. Kid is useless.
“Balling”
Some of you are so easily fooled and have such a low bar
He had protection, and they didn't push the ball downfield.¹
RE: I'm so sick of reading how Jones was not the reason they lost
Is that supposed to be better? The offense sucks. Averaging 15 ppg is awful. He doesn't make enough big plays. How about hitting a deep ball? Every QB deals with drops. He never overcomes anything.
It's always the same crap. "Plays efficient" Everything needs to be perfect in this offense, long drives which leave no margin for error. Never any explosive plays.
But yeah, not the reason they lost! The standards are so fucking low.
This, especially the bold. WRs are going to drop balls. Wandale has 2 in 45 targets this year, that’s 4% well below league average. Less than Cooper and Wilson and the same as St Brown, Lamb, Jefferson.
RE: RE: I'm so sick of reading how Jones was not the reason they lost
Is that supposed to be better? The offense sucks. Averaging 15 ppg is awful. He doesn't make enough big plays. How about hitting a deep ball? Every QB deals with drops. He never overcomes anything.
It's always the same crap. "Plays efficient" Everything needs to be perfect in this offense, long drives which leave no margin for error. Never any explosive plays.
But yeah, not the reason they lost! The standards are so fucking low.
This, especially the bold. WRs are going to drop balls. Wandale has 2 in 45 targets this year, that’s 4% well below league average. Less than Cooper and Wilson and the same as St Brown, Lamb, Jefferson.
So when slayton and Robinson drop crucial third down drops - who do we blame? And it’s ok to excuse them?
I mean if Jones misses a deep ball - the pitchforks come out. But if our WRs drop a ball - it’s ok and the QB has to overcome it?
So easy to defend because Jones never stretches the field.
This is not a very good Cowboys team and Daboll coached scared. Looked to me like he was trying to protect the D.
DJ had some deep misses. Couple should have been caught and a few other shorter ones as well. He's over thinking on some of those imv. PA would help but the Giants scheme/execution is not set up well for that. Run game stinks and it is a OL/RB/scheme issue.
I've had enough of Daboll too. This whole regime plus QB can go. They've made their bed here. 1-3 and 0-2 in the division.
I’m on that train. I was on a chat stream watching game with lots of former long time football coaches at several levels and they all felt Daboll is not a HC and his playcalling is suspect.
They’re going to lose both games to Eagles and get torched on Thanksgiving. The record against Cowboys and Eagles going back 10-12 yrs is so insanely bad. We have an identity and that’s being a “loser” franchise that can’t figure things out and is not willing to make serious, difficult but obviously necessary decisions.
Singletary was directly in Jones field of view with no defender within 10 yards, running same direction underneath Nabers..
But Jones obviously had tunnel vision and forced the ball to Nabers who had a defender all over him and the sideline imminent.
I love that we have a new stud WR...but this was not the first time in the game that Jones forced the ball to Nabers and put him in harms way rather than make the easy completion. It happened several times.
Have been a fan for 60 years and have never been more depressed about the team’s play/prospects. The spirit of any team is critical for long term success. The team needs to be reevaluated from top to bottom Imho..
It’s tough to blame anyone for the 4th down play call
and I will repeat it - three drives in a row Slayton, Robinson and Nabers dropped quite catchable balls that would have sustained drives.
Yes, the play calling was mundane. You can do the usual and blame Jones for whatever you want, but three late drives were killed by balls that should have been caught.
Perhaps Jones inability to connect on deep balls is a root cause. But even the last one that was intercepted, Hyatt didn't even try for that ball, he just fell away from it.
The "root cause" is that the offense is easily defended. This is the same game as 2022. Force the giants to make 0 mistakes on a 15 play drive or they will not score. Every drop is a disaster play because they cannot afford it.
This is because they cannot hit explosive plays.
RE: RE: Jones also had Singletary wide open for a first
and I will repeat it - three drives in a row Slayton, Robinson and Nabers dropped quite catchable balls that would have sustained drives.
Yes, the play calling was mundane. You can do the usual and blame Jones for whatever you want, but three late drives were killed by balls that should have been caught.
Perhaps Jones inability to connect on deep balls is a root cause. But even the last one that was intercepted, Hyatt didn't even try for that ball, he just fell away from it.
The "root cause" is that the offense is easily defended. This is the same game as 2022. Force the giants to make 0 mistakes on a 15 play drive or they will not score. Every drop is a disaster play because they cannot afford it.
This is because they cannot hit explosive plays.
Plus even if they catch it they still needed to score a TD. They weren’t going to. It would have just prolonged the inevitable
yes, with protection he can throw short passes, but that type of offense wont win games or put points on the board as evidenced by their scoring. A QB has to be able to connect 30-40 yd passes to get down the field. It takes more plays with short passes and better chances for penalties or getting your WR hurt, as most times with WR catching a short pass they get nailed by LB or CB. Jones is going to get nabers killed with too many short passes and defenders right there to make the hit. Numbers might make Jones look good but dink passes wont win many games.
They can with Jones, but it is an offense that won’t win you many games in the NFL. As others have said, if the goal is to dink and dunk your way down the field, you only need one thing to go wrong to end the drive.
This is not a sustainable offense, but it is the only option on the table right now.
The good (what we see as good) is average elsewhere and for us it means that we have to complete 3, 4, 5 passes or more a drive JUST to get into scoring position.
Teams can play bend don't break with is because they know as the field shrinks so does our offensive effectiveness. We cut you with paper a hundred times but never ver deep and never to the point of real damage.
The deep passes are a big deal because we had multiple passes that could have meant quick points, momentum building points. Instead we get the almost, just about etc.
There is zero doubt that Jones is NOT the guy to get it done. He is Alex Smith now (at Jones's best) with a higher com % but yards not great and scores few and far between..
The Giants have two plus players who make the big plays on offense -- Nabers and Thomas. The other 9 guys on the field at any given don't have the ceiling to make a great play when it's needed. When everything is in front of them, in working order they can execute. But there is very little stepping and doing something big.
The missed catch and throw to Slayton epitomizes this team. Daniel Jones is incapable of making a "holy shit great throw." And Slayton is incapable of making a "holy shit great catch."
The good (what we see as good) is average elsewhere and for us it means that we have to complete 3, 4, 5 passes or more a drive JUST to get into scoring position.
Teams can play bend don't break with is because they know as the field shrinks so does our offensive effectiveness. We cut you with paper a hundred times but never ver deep and never to the point of real damage.
The deep passes are a big deal because we had multiple passes that could have meant quick points, momentum building points. Instead we get the almost, just about etc.
There is zero doubt that Jones is NOT the guy to get it done. He is Alex Smith now (at Jones's best) with a higher com % but yards not great and scores few and far between..
Yup. 2022 all over again.
My fear is like some on this board, Mara and Schoen will get fooled by the completion percentage and drops.
I hate that people are going to hyperfixate on the drops
And yes, the WRs have to be better, simply because the situation demands that they have to play near-perfect for them to have success.It's just not sustainable.
Play 2 high safeties against he Giants, stop the run and all you have is a team that, once again, is only good between the 20s.
You are counting on a rookie to be perfect and do everything else.
RE: RE: I'm so sick of reading how Jones was not the reason they lost
This, especially the bold. WRs are going to drop balls. Wandale has 2 in 45 targets this year, that’s 4% well below league average. Less than Cooper and Wilson and the same as St Brown, Lamb, Jefferson.
But when the ball gets dropped on third down and then gets dropped on fourth down, there are no more downs left.
RE: RE: RE: I'm so sick of reading how Jones was not the reason they lost
This, especially the bold. WRs are going to drop balls. Wandale has 2 in 45 targets this year, that’s 4% well below league average. Less than Cooper and Wilson and the same as St Brown, Lamb, Jefferson.
But when the ball gets dropped on third down and then gets dropped on fourth down, there are no more downs left.
Honestly who fucking cares. They weren’t going to score a touchdown on any of those drives and we all know it.
The wise receivers are expected to be perfect, but not the QB.
Whatever
RE: I hate that people are going to hyperfixate on the drops
And yes, the WRs have to be better, simply because the situation demands that they have to play near-perfect for them to have success.It's just not sustainable.
Play 2 high safeties against he Giants, stop the run and all you have is a team that, once again, is only good between the 20s.
You are counting on a rookie to be perfect and do everything else.
I don’t think there’s a “hyper fixation” on drops. I just see a segment of BBI blaming everything on one player. In the Minnesota game, that was accurate. That offensive lack of performance was ALL Daniel Jones’ fault. In this game, the amount of players who could’ve/should’ve done better was rather significant. That includes our star rookie dropping the best pass that either QB threw all night at a critical moment. It sure as hell includes the offensive line. And it also includes Daniel Jones.
Not everybody sees missed open WRs, and when its presented on video it gets waved off.
Not everybody sees off-target passes, or dont agree that a pass is poor.
"Hold them accountable just like we hold the QB accountable" doesnt really exist.
With social media - open WRs missed is spotted much more regularly and is posted often on this site.
See the problem with dropped passes with guys like Robinson and Slayton is that they don’t have a track record with coming up with big plays. A guy like Nabers, even with his drop against Washington, has clearly been our best player. So when he does have a hiccup - it’s tough to say he let the team down.
on multiple occasions he hit the WR on the back or made them turn instead of hitting them in stride preventing them from pushing up field. The deep balls, every one was under thrown. Yes the WRs had some drops but they didn't cost us. That final drive 4th down Jones has singletary breaking out for an easy first down but he locks in on Nabers all the way to the sideline and tries to fit a tight throw in when he had the easy play right underneath that for a first down.
His decision making and inability to make that deep throw is preventing this offense from doing damage and winning games.
And I will add, some of the drops later in the game could have been partially due to WR thinking more bout the coming hit, than catching the ball. Earlier in the game I said to myself, Jones is going to get Nabers killed with horrible ball placement. Eli used to do this a ton also.
It all comes back to an inability to hit the big pass
You can even see it exemplified on the 39 yarder to Nabers.
Nabers jukes a CB out of his shoes, gets wide open, and in comes a rainbow toss that he has to stop & wait for. Defender has the time to catch up and make the tackle. A stronger throw and he is off to the races, 6 points or redzone.
But people pointing to Jones' stats aren't going to count that as a "miss" - it was a 39 yard pass! Except it could have easily been a 70 yard TD.
And that wasn't the only missed opportunity - recall Nabers burning Diggs deep and then having to come back to the ball in a spot where the safety is ranging back over.
When those things happened in the Bills-Jags MNF game, Josh Allen hit his receivers for big TDs. When those things happen for the Giants, we're lucky to get a 40 yard play.
It’s just a bad team. Something always misfires to seemingly cost a win - this time the WRs drop 4 passes in the clutch.
But the larger picture is, they just don’t play well enough as a group to win, because they aren’t that good. They do certain things well at certain times. But not enough.
Was Dexter Lawrence and Brian Burns on the fucking field tonight?
WFT is not a bad team. We are
Tell that to the WFT
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It’s just a bad team. Something always misfires to seemingly cost a win - this time the WRs drop 4 passes in the clutch.
But the larger picture is, they just don’t play well enough as a group to win, because they aren’t that good. They do certain things well at certain times. But not enough.
Was Dexter Lawrence and Brian Burns on the fucking field tonight?
WFT is not a bad team. We are
The generals are the team the globetrotters play..
Jones was not the reason we lost to Dallas. Not the reason we lost to Washington. The kid is balling and you know he doesn’t have full strength in that leg. He was throwing bee bees tonight it’s just we can’t catch. These guys are pros getting paid it’s crazy. And Hyatt show him the door. No effort even if he plays only 3 snaps. Kid is useless.
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We just hate watching the same movie over and over, season after season. Tonight’s loss was predictable. Dallas has owned us. Jones loses in prime time. I knew it going into tonight. It is the same script season after season, and a lot of us just want to see something new and different.
Jones was not the reason we lost to Dallas. Not the reason we lost to Washington. The kid is balling and you know he doesn’t have full strength in that leg. He was throwing bee bees tonight it’s just we can’t catch. These guys are pros getting paid it’s crazy. And Hyatt show him the door. No effort even if he plays only 3 snaps. Kid is useless.
If this is really hos the season is going, AGAIN, the Giants actually have to make a business decision about how they will manage Jones and the injury clause. Personally, I would seriously consider benching him at some point soon so that clause doesn't kick in. They nee3d to be able to cut him in the off season. The mere fact that I am already talking about the off season in September is highlighting the problem, of which Jones is a huge part.
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“Our game plan was to beat them with 50 3-yard passes and hopefully get a TD or two. We executed that well. Weird we didn’t win.”
Daboll is either making the point to management that he can’t win with Jones, or he is one of the absolute dumbest offensive minds in the NFL right now.
Maybe not the dumbest but certainly not the most innovative or creative.
How many passes were made to TEs
Play Neal we need to see if he can play RG and maybe help us run the ball better.
Trade slayton, play Hyatt/BFW/Hodgins - we need more size at WR badly - force DJ to throw it deep to Hyatt.
Bellinger should be getting 90% of snaps and Theo needs to be downgraded to TE2.
call up Dante Miller and give him run at RB2/3 over gray/tracy, we need juice at RB so bad.
On defense:
Give Riley/Chatman more of a chance over Roches/Davidson.
Whitley has to get some run at ER, we need some juice.
Have Banks guard WR2 and let McCloud play some WR1.
I want to see Johnson/Belton play a bit over Nubin, hes just not fast enough back there. Belton has a nose for teh ball we need some turnovers god damn.
On specials:
We need gunner back badly at KR/PR/WR. KR is a disaster position for us right now.
Yes, the play calling was mundane. You can do the usual and blame Jones for whatever you want, but three late drives were killed by balls that should have been caught.
Perhaps Jones inability to connect on deep balls is a root cause. But even the last one that was intercepted, Hyatt didn't even try for that ball, he just fell away from it.
Yes, the play calling was mundane. You can do the usual and blame Jones for whatever you want, but three late drives were killed by balls that should have been caught.
Perhaps Jones inability to connect on deep balls is a root cause. But even the last one that was intercepted, Hyatt didn't even try for that ball, he just fell away from it.
Some posters will never admit there are other problems outside of Jones. Slayton sucks. Robinson was awful last night. The last one to nabers was a tough pass and catch - so not too much blame there.
But those drops by Slayton and Robinson are just ignored by the resident experts.
Playcalling is awful. But people here love Daboll for some reason.
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We just hate watching the same movie over and over, season after season. Tonight’s loss was predictable. Dallas has owned us. Jones loses in prime time. I knew it going into tonight. It is the same script season after season, and a lot of us just want to see something new and different.
Jones was not the reason we lost to Dallas. Not the reason we lost to Washington. The kid is balling and you know he doesn’t have full strength in that leg. He was throwing bee bees tonight it’s just we can’t catch. These guys are pros getting paid it’s crazy. And Hyatt show him the door. No effort even if he plays only 3 snaps. Kid is useless.
“Balling”
Some of you are so easily fooled and have such a low bar
It's always the same crap. "Plays efficient" Everything needs to be perfect in this offense, long drives which leave no margin for error. Never any explosive plays.
But yeah, not the reason they lost! The standards are so fucking low.
It's always the same crap. "Plays efficient" Everything needs to be perfect in this offense, long drives which leave no margin for error. Never any explosive plays.
But yeah, not the reason they lost! The standards are so fucking low.
I am tired of our coaching calling plays like a complete pussy. If he is that afraid of Jones throwing it - then he should be a HC.
Sticking with Daboll is becoming problem 1A for the giants.
Whether Daboll doesn't trust DJ or DJ just doesn't want to throw down the field, what we are seeing is boring, uninspired football. Yeah, you can win a few games this way, but you won't contend for a division title, Super Bowl, etc. Burn it all down.
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We just hate watching the same movie over and over, season after season. Tonight’s loss was predictable. Dallas has owned us. Jones loses in prime time. I knew it going into tonight. It is the same script season after season, and a lot of us just want to see something new and different.
Jones was not the reason we lost to Dallas. Not the reason we lost to Washington. The kid is balling and you know he doesn’t have full strength in that leg. He was throwing bee bees tonight it’s just we can’t catch. These guys are pros getting paid it’s crazy. And Hyatt show him the door. No effort even if he plays only 3 snaps. Kid is useless.
“Balling”
Some of you are so easily fooled and have such a low bar
He had protection, and they didn't push the ball downfield.¹
It's always the same crap. "Plays efficient" Everything needs to be perfect in this offense, long drives which leave no margin for error. Never any explosive plays.
But yeah, not the reason they lost! The standards are so fucking low.
This, especially the bold. WRs are going to drop balls. Wandale has 2 in 45 targets this year, that’s 4% well below league average. Less than Cooper and Wilson and the same as St Brown, Lamb, Jefferson.
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Is that supposed to be better? The offense sucks. Averaging 15 ppg is awful. He doesn't make enough big plays. How about hitting a deep ball? Every QB deals with drops. He never overcomes anything.
It's always the same crap. "Plays efficient" Everything needs to be perfect in this offense, long drives which leave no margin for error. Never any explosive plays.
But yeah, not the reason they lost! The standards are so fucking low.
This, especially the bold. WRs are going to drop balls. Wandale has 2 in 45 targets this year, that’s 4% well below league average. Less than Cooper and Wilson and the same as St Brown, Lamb, Jefferson.
So when slayton and Robinson drop crucial third down drops - who do we blame? And it’s ok to excuse them?
I mean if Jones misses a deep ball - the pitchforks come out. But if our WRs drop a ball - it’s ok and the QB has to overcome it?
His low career passing TDs is no mystery. And it isn't because he doesn't have receivers.
Me too. Like I said. I’m ok with jones being benched and Daboll being fired this morning.
DJ had some deep misses. Couple should have been caught and a few other shorter ones as well. He's over thinking on some of those imv. PA would help but the Giants scheme/execution is not set up well for that. Run game stinks and it is a OL/RB/scheme issue.
I’m on that train. I was on a chat stream watching game with lots of former long time football coaches at several levels and they all felt Daboll is not a HC and his playcalling is suspect.
They’re going to lose both games to Eagles and get torched on Thanksgiving. The record against Cowboys and Eagles going back 10-12 yrs is so insanely bad. We have an identity and that’s being a “loser” franchise that can’t figure things out and is not willing to make serious, difficult but obviously necessary decisions.
Weren’t you all in on Daboll?
Singletary was directly in Jones field of view with no defender within 10 yards, running same direction underneath Nabers..
But Jones obviously had tunnel vision and forced the ball to Nabers who had a defender all over him and the sideline imminent.
I love that we have a new stud WR...but this was not the first time in the game that Jones forced the ball to Nabers and put him in harms way rather than make the easy completion. It happened several times.
Singletary - ( New Window )
I’m going to go ahead and guess that that doesn’t happen.
Yes. See one post above yours ajr
Jones made a really good throw to Nabers who did make a helluva effort. I don’t get mad at plays like that. Jones deep misses were much bigger misses.
Why would I take that comment back? You are the worst.
Yes, the play calling was mundane. You can do the usual and blame Jones for whatever you want, but three late drives were killed by balls that should have been caught.
Perhaps Jones inability to connect on deep balls is a root cause. But even the last one that was intercepted, Hyatt didn't even try for that ball, he just fell away from it.
The "root cause" is that the offense is easily defended. This is the same game as 2022. Force the giants to make 0 mistakes on a 15 play drive or they will not score. Every drop is a disaster play because they cannot afford it.
This is because they cannot hit explosive plays.
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On the 4th down play. Hopefully Ryan will take back his “fuck off you’re the worst” comment now. Singletary - ( New Window )
Why would I take that comment back? You are the worst.
Takes one to know one you loser.
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and I will repeat it - three drives in a row Slayton, Robinson and Nabers dropped quite catchable balls that would have sustained drives.
Yes, the play calling was mundane. You can do the usual and blame Jones for whatever you want, but three late drives were killed by balls that should have been caught.
Perhaps Jones inability to connect on deep balls is a root cause. But even the last one that was intercepted, Hyatt didn't even try for that ball, he just fell away from it.
The "root cause" is that the offense is easily defended. This is the same game as 2022. Force the giants to make 0 mistakes on a 15 play drive or they will not score. Every drop is a disaster play because they cannot afford it.
This is because they cannot hit explosive plays.
Plus even if they catch it they still needed to score a TD. They weren’t going to. It would have just prolonged the inevitable
I mean 1 yard per carry is embarrassing.
But Daboll won't because he is pig headed
Agree. Neal shoukd be starting at RG.
This is not a sustainable offense, but it is the only option on the table right now.
The good (what we see as good) is average elsewhere and for us it means that we have to complete 3, 4, 5 passes or more a drive JUST to get into scoring position.
Teams can play bend don't break with is because they know as the field shrinks so does our offensive effectiveness. We cut you with paper a hundred times but never ver deep and never to the point of real damage.
The deep passes are a big deal because we had multiple passes that could have meant quick points, momentum building points. Instead we get the almost, just about etc.
There is zero doubt that Jones is NOT the guy to get it done. He is Alex Smith now (at Jones's best) with a higher com % but yards not great and scores few and far between..
The missed catch and throw to Slayton epitomizes this team. Daniel Jones is incapable of making a "holy shit great throw." And Slayton is incapable of making a "holy shit great catch."
The good (what we see as good) is average elsewhere and for us it means that we have to complete 3, 4, 5 passes or more a drive JUST to get into scoring position.
Teams can play bend don't break with is because they know as the field shrinks so does our offensive effectiveness. We cut you with paper a hundred times but never ver deep and never to the point of real damage.
The deep passes are a big deal because we had multiple passes that could have meant quick points, momentum building points. Instead we get the almost, just about etc.
There is zero doubt that Jones is NOT the guy to get it done. He is Alex Smith now (at Jones's best) with a higher com % but yards not great and scores few and far between..
Yup. 2022 all over again.
My fear is like some on this board, Mara and Schoen will get fooled by the completion percentage and drops.
Play 2 high safeties against he Giants, stop the run and all you have is a team that, once again, is only good between the 20s.
You are counting on a rookie to be perfect and do everything else.
This, especially the bold. WRs are going to drop balls. Wandale has 2 in 45 targets this year, that’s 4% well below league average. Less than Cooper and Wilson and the same as St Brown, Lamb, Jefferson.
But when the ball gets dropped on third down and then gets dropped on fourth down, there are no more downs left.
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This, especially the bold. WRs are going to drop balls. Wandale has 2 in 45 targets this year, that’s 4% well below league average. Less than Cooper and Wilson and the same as St Brown, Lamb, Jefferson.
But when the ball gets dropped on third down and then gets dropped on fourth down, there are no more downs left.
Honestly who fucking cares. They weren’t going to score a touchdown on any of those drives and we all know it.
The wise receivers are expected to be perfect, but not the QB.
Whatever
Play 2 high safeties against he Giants, stop the run and all you have is a team that, once again, is only good between the 20s.
You are counting on a rookie to be perfect and do everything else.
I don’t think there’s a “hyper fixation” on drops. I just see a segment of BBI blaming everything on one player. In the Minnesota game, that was accurate. That offensive lack of performance was ALL Daniel Jones’ fault. In this game, the amount of players who could’ve/should’ve done better was rather significant. That includes our star rookie dropping the best pass that either QB threw all night at a critical moment. It sure as hell includes the offensive line. And it also includes Daniel Jones.
Everybody sees when a WR drops yhe ball.
Not everybody sees missed open WRs, and when its presented on video it gets waved off.
Not everybody sees off-target passes, or dont agree that a pass is poor.
"Hold them accountable just like we hold the QB accountable" doesnt really exist.
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For their mistakes like the QB is.
Everybody sees when a WR drops yhe ball.
Not everybody sees missed open WRs, and when its presented on video it gets waved off.
Not everybody sees off-target passes, or dont agree that a pass is poor.
"Hold them accountable just like we hold the QB accountable" doesnt really exist.
With social media - open WRs missed is spotted much more regularly and is posted often on this site.
See the problem with dropped passes with guys like Robinson and Slayton is that they don’t have a track record with coming up with big plays. A guy like Nabers, even with his drop against Washington, has clearly been our best player. So when he does have a hiccup - it’s tough to say he let the team down.
His decision making and inability to make that deep throw is preventing this offense from doing damage and winning games.
And I will add, some of the drops later in the game could have been partially due to WR thinking more bout the coming hit, than catching the ball. Earlier in the game I said to myself, Jones is going to get Nabers killed with horrible ball placement. Eli used to do this a ton also.
Nabers jukes a CB out of his shoes, gets wide open, and in comes a rainbow toss that he has to stop & wait for. Defender has the time to catch up and make the tackle. A stronger throw and he is off to the races, 6 points or redzone.
But people pointing to Jones' stats aren't going to count that as a "miss" - it was a 39 yard pass! Except it could have easily been a 70 yard TD.
And that wasn't the only missed opportunity - recall Nabers burning Diggs deep and then having to come back to the ball in a spot where the safety is ranging back over.
When those things happened in the Bills-Jags MNF game, Josh Allen hit his receivers for big TDs. When those things happen for the Giants, we're lucky to get a 40 yard play.