Daboll is the man!!!

then I think you're right.

I don't think that coaching is the problem.

I thought Bowen did a good job last night too given the injuries in the secondary.

I think there is a lot more talent on this team than there was 2 years ago..

The problem for them is going to be if they win less than 6 games the media and fan oressure is going to get to Mara

We played a defense that has been terrible, and they lost every key player worth a damn in this game and we still couldn’t score a TD. The QB can’t complete a pass more than 10-15 yards down field. DJ is a shell of an NFL QB. Sure there were some key drops, etc. but when is he ever going to connect with a receiver to take the top off a defense? When is he ever going to go through his progressions and hit someone other than his 1st read? When is he going to throw beyond the sticks? He is late career Chad Pennington, he is who he is.

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then I think you're right. I don't think that coaching is the problem. I thought Bowen did a good job last night too given the injuries in the secondary.

Agree. Before the game, think all of us would have signed up for holding Dallas to 20 points.

We couldn’t run. DJ is not the problem it’s stone hands . No TE and fumbles

a Jason Garrett offense. I think Daboll is doing the best he can with the tools he has to work with on offense.

Guys are open. The play calls and the play design are working. Players got to execute. Plain and simple.

Had more injuries in secondary than we did. Daboll can wax poetic all he wants about run game but the passing game was abysmal - I don’t care what the completion percentage says, they didn’t attack the defense and the playcalling was terrible. Losing gameplan and losing adjustments or not willing to make them.

McCarthy and Zimmer outcoached Daboll (and didn’t have to try too hard to do it). Pure and simple.

This is a serious thread…

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a Jason Garrett offense. I think Daboll is doing the best he can with the tools he has to work with on offense. Guys are open. The play calls and the play design are working. Players got to execute. Plain and simple.

They are his tools, his players and his playbook. And no it is not working.

5 scoring chances.....can not end with 5 FGs.

I can easily blame Jones....but plenty of blame goes to Daboll

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This is a serious thread…

I legit thought it was sarcasm

In comment 16627032 Carl in CT said:

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We couldn’t run. DJ is not the problem it’s stone hands . No TE and fumbles

I don't completely disagree but Jones is a big problem as well. Last night showed that we can gain yards with Jones but it takes a LOT of plays to do it and we can't score with him..

Giants have managed 7 FG's in two home games this year and we are now 0-2 in the division already.. Jones doesn't move the needle at all.

Jones was great on the short passes but he missed or underthrew the deep ball a lot laast night, cost them the game. Also, couldn't agree more about throwing the ball into the endzone. The Belly BS facemasking flag also killed that first drive. Left the game thinking that they can turn it around.

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In comment 16627039 JT039 said: Quote: This is a serious thread… I legit thought it was sarcasm

Why?
Do you not remember Jason Garrett’s offense?
Did you not see that amazing play design with Nabers out of the backfield?
Jet sweep to Nabers with an option to pass

Defense jumps offsides so Daniel Jones finally decides to try a deep shot, ball flutters in the air and is underthrown by about 15 yards, is that on Daboll?

Look at the cowboys point of view, Dak is without a doubt a better QB than Jones…were you impressed with there plays? Absolutely not

it's Daniel Jones.

what are we talking about here?

Daboll was out coached by McCarthy.

An underperforming coach at Dallas and on the annual chopping block.

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Daboll was out coached by McCarthy. An underperforming coach at Dallas and on the annual chopping block.

Please elaborate…how was Daboll outcoached?

I actually still like Daboll, but you LOVE the playcalling and creativity? They went into a shell every time they got in or near the red zone. They played for FGs, when they clearly were going to need a TD at some point. Don't mistake feeding Nabers the ball to the tune of 14 targets and creatively getting him the ball. Outside of his first catch where he made a sick double move, they didn't get him the ball with space again. Yes, they move him around, they give him a run, they tried another ill fated WR pass where at least he is smart enough not to make a dumb throw. But, they are not getting him the ball with a chance to do much.

In comment 16627200 Matt M. said:

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I actually still like Daboll, but you LOVE the playcalling and creativity? They went into a shell every time they got in or near the red zone. They played for FGs, when they clearly were going to need a TD at some point. Don't mistake feeding Nabers the ball to the tune of 14 targets and creatively getting him the ball. Outside of his first catch where he made a sick double move, they didn't get him the ball with space again. Yes, they move him around, they give him a run, they tried another ill fated WR pass where at least he is smart enough not to make a dumb throw. But, they are not getting him the ball with a chance to do much.

The play calling didn’t change when they got close to the end zone, they just called the same plays which become less effective when there is less space to defend.

You win in the NFL by creating chunk plays. The Giants did the same thing all night which the Cowboys had no problem defending because they knew the Giants couldn’t push the ball down the field.

In comment 16627218 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 16627200 Matt M. said: Quote: I actually still like Daboll, but you LOVE the playcalling and creativity? They went into a shell every time they got in or near the red zone. They played for FGs, when they clearly were going to need a TD at some point. Don't mistake feeding Nabers the ball to the tune of 14 targets and creatively getting him the ball. Outside of his first catch where he made a sick double move, they didn't get him the ball with space again. Yes, they move him around, they give him a run, they tried another ill fated WR pass where at least he is smart enough not to make a dumb throw. But, they are not getting him the ball with a chance to do much. The play calling didn’t change when they got close to the end zone, they just called the same plays which become less effective when there is less space to defend. You win in the NFL by creating chunk plays. The Giants did the same thing all night which the Cowboys had no problem defending because they knew the Giants couldn’t push the ball down the field.

You think the lack of chunk plays are because of Daboll? You really think he wants to dink and dunk? Remember Josh Allen with Daboll? Do yourself a favor and look up Daniel Jones stats this year when the ball travels more than 20 yards

In comment 16627218 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 16627200 Matt M. said: Quote: I actually still like Daboll, but you LOVE the playcalling and creativity? They went into a shell every time they got in or near the red zone. They played for FGs, when they clearly were going to need a TD at some point. Don't mistake feeding Nabers the ball to the tune of 14 targets and creatively getting him the ball. Outside of his first catch where he made a sick double move, they didn't get him the ball with space again. Yes, they move him around, they give him a run, they tried another ill fated WR pass where at least he is smart enough not to make a dumb throw. But, they are not getting him the ball with a chance to do much. The play calling didn’t change when they got close to the end zone, they just called the same plays which become less effective when there is less space to defend. You win in the NFL by creating chunk plays. The Giants did the same thing all night which the Cowboys had no problem defending because they knew the Giants couldn’t push the ball down the field.

The playcalling absolutely changed. On at least 2 drives they had consecutive completions to get downfield including a few, while not deep, at least beyond 10 yards. Then they get close and don't throw 1 ball to the end zone. Not even close. They run on 2nd and long only to throw SHORT on 3rd and long. Not, short of the sticks, but short like 2-3 yards. That is not how they drove the field.

so I won't, but this thread is not well thought out. Daboll cost us the game with his play calling and doing long drives and not pressing for more points. The special teams are horrendous and not only in execution, but in decision making. The fact that we were letting balls go into the endzone on kickoffs was criminally stupid. How many yards did we give up and that is after the fumble last week (and of course we fumbled again and were just lucky to get it back). Our defense was ok, but when the cowboys needed to put points on the board or get a first down they generally did with the one exception of the drive they got a holding penalty. so, please spare Daboll is the man. He isn't and he has probably cost us two football games out of four. S

out of lemons, he is playing like he can with DJ. At this point DJ is just a west coast style, college style QB who doesn't have the arm enough to get the ball down the field. Works in college but not the NFL. He is Bailey Zappe in a Giants uniform. No turnovers, good stats, lots of TOP, zero TDS.

You saw what happens on the throws over 25 yards or so? Why would Daboll do that more? I absolutely believe that Daboll would run a different offense if he had a QB with an NFL arm. I think we should try Lock

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out of lemons, he is playing like he can with DJ. At this point DJ is just a west coast style, college style QB who doesn't have the arm enough to get the ball down the field. Works in college but not the NFL. He is Bailey Zappe in a Giants uniform. No turnovers, good stats, lots of TOP, zero TDS. You saw what happens on the throws over 25 yards or so? Why would Daboll do that more? I absolutely believe that Daboll would run a different offense if he had a QB with an NFL arm. I think we should try Lock

BS. He could have taken chances in the red zone and didn;t. DJ stinks but you still have to call a competent game. That was an offense designed to chip away and get FGs against a terrible defense. Daboll lost the game last night because his playcalling was horrendous and his QB was horrendous on anything more than ten yards in the air.

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out of lemons, he is playing like he can with DJ. At this point DJ is just a west coast style, college style QB who doesn't have the arm enough to get the ball down the field. Works in college but not the NFL. He is Bailey Zappe in a Giants uniform. No turnovers, good stats, lots of TOP, zero TDS. You saw what happens on the throws over 25 yards or so? Why would Daboll do that more? I absolutely believe that Daboll would run a different offense if he had a QB with an NFL arm. I think we should try Lock

Absolutely! Well said

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so I won't, but this thread is not well thought out. Daboll cost us the game with his play calling and doing long drives and not pressing for more points. The special teams are horrendous and not only in execution, but in decision making. The fact that we were letting balls go into the endzone on kickoffs was criminally stupid. How many yards did we give up and that is after the fumble last week (and of course we fumbled again and were just lucky to get it back). Our defense was ok, but when the cowboys needed to put points on the board or get a first down they generally did with the one exception of the drive they got a holding penalty. so, please spare Daboll is the man. He isn't and he has probably cost us two football games out of four. S

Special teams? Really?? Our backup kicker made 5 field goals, including a 52 yarder which is no easy task at MetLife (ask all world kicker Aubrey). Punt returner we just signed off the street had a good return….of all the things how can you talk about special teams lol

In comment 16627379 Essex said:

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In comment 16627362 PatersonPlank said: Quote: out of lemons, he is playing like he can with DJ. At this point DJ is just a west coast style, college style QB who doesn't have the arm enough to get the ball down the field. Works in college but not the NFL. He is Bailey Zappe in a Giants uniform. No turnovers, good stats, lots of TOP, zero TDS. You saw what happens on the throws over 25 yards or so? Why would Daboll do that more? I absolutely believe that Daboll would run a different offense if he had a QB with an NFL arm. I think we should try Lock BS. He could have taken chances in the red zone and didn;t. DJ stinks but you still have to call a competent game. That was an offense designed to chip away and get FGs against a terrible defense. Daboll lost the game last night because his playcalling was horrendous and his QB was horrendous on anything more than ten yards in the air.

You just said the QB is horrendous. Put that on BD for keeping him, but the playcalling is limited because of the QB. Like other posters have said, Jones is basically Alex Smith/Zappe/even Bryce Young at this point. Not a starting NFL QB

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In comment 16627349 Essex said: Quote: so I won't, but this thread is not well thought out. Daboll cost us the game with his play calling and doing long drives and not pressing for more points. The special teams are horrendous and not only in execution, but in decision making. The fact that we were letting balls go into the endzone on kickoffs was criminally stupid. How many yards did we give up and that is after the fumble last week (and of course we fumbled again and were just lucky to get it back). Our defense was ok, but when the cowboys needed to put points on the board or get a first down they generally did with the one exception of the drive they got a holding penalty. so, please spare Daboll is the man. He isn't and he has probably cost us two football games out of four. S Special teams? Really?? Our backup kicker made 5 field goals, including a 52 yarder which is no easy task at MetLife (ask all world kicker Aubrey). Punt returner we just signed off the street had a good return….of all the things how can you talk about special teams lol

Yeah when you fumble the ball two weeks in a row on unecessary kick returns--you are stupid. When you give up ten yards to start a drive to return kicks that don't need to be returned you are stupid. Daboll is stupid--thats the point and that doesn't change because the FG kicker they signed this week happen to work out. That isn't coaching that is evaluating talent and it could just be that he had a good night. So yeah, when we keep doing stupid things on ST i am going to make an issue of it every single time.,

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In comment 16627362 PatersonPlank said: Quote: out of lemons, he is playing like he can with DJ. At this point DJ is just a west coast style, college style QB who doesn't have the arm enough to get the ball down the field. Works in college but not the NFL. He is Bailey Zappe in a Giants uniform. No turnovers, good stats, lots of TOP, zero TDS. You saw what happens on the throws over 25 yards or so? Why would Daboll do that more? I absolutely believe that Daboll would run a different offense if he had a QB with an NFL arm. I think we should try Lock BS. He could have taken chances in the red zone and didn;t. DJ stinks but you still have to call a competent game. That was an offense designed to chip away and get FGs against a terrible defense. Daboll lost the game last night because his playcalling was horrendous and his QB was horrendous on anything more than ten yards in the air.

How do you know he didn't run plays to get in the EZ? You don't. It could be the normal DJ checking down crap because its more congested and he doesn't have the arm to get it in there. It takes a bigger arm to fit into tight spots like the EZ. The other play was drawn up perfectly, all Wan'dale had to do was beat one guy and he was in the endzone (but of course he never does).

In comment 16627407 family progtitioner said:

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In comment 16627379 Essex said: Quote: In comment 16627362 PatersonPlank said: Quote: out of lemons, he is playing like he can with DJ. At this point DJ is just a west coast style, college style QB who doesn't have the arm enough to get the ball down the field. Works in college but not the NFL. He is Bailey Zappe in a Giants uniform. No turnovers, good stats, lots of TOP, zero TDS. You saw what happens on the throws over 25 yards or so? Why would Daboll do that more? I absolutely believe that Daboll would run a different offense if he had a QB with an NFL arm. I think we should try Lock BS. He could have taken chances in the red zone and didn;t. DJ stinks but you still have to call a competent game. That was an offense designed to chip away and get FGs against a terrible defense. Daboll lost the game last night because his playcalling was horrendous and his QB was horrendous on anything more than ten yards in the air. You just said the QB is horrendous. Put that on BD for keeping him, but the playcalling is limited because of the QB. Like other posters have said, Jones is basically Alex Smith/Zappe/even Bryce Young at this point. Not a starting NFL QB

We wish he as Alex Smith

are completely aligned. In fact, it's part of the sales pitch when both were hired and it was sold to us as a contrast from the Gettleman era.

That means that Jones' failures are Daboll's failures. This isn't a QB that Daboll inherited. It's a QB he had a hand in bringing back with a monster contract.

In comment 16627421 PatersonPlank said:

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In comment 16627407 family progtitioner said: Quote: In comment 16627379 Essex said: Quote: In comment 16627362 PatersonPlank said: Quote: out of lemons, he is playing like he can with DJ. At this point DJ is just a west coast style, college style QB who doesn't have the arm enough to get the ball down the field. Works in college but not the NFL. He is Bailey Zappe in a Giants uniform. No turnovers, good stats, lots of TOP, zero TDS. You saw what happens on the throws over 25 yards or so? Why would Daboll do that more? I absolutely believe that Daboll would run a different offense if he had a QB with an NFL arm. I think we should try Lock BS. He could have taken chances in the red zone and didn;t. DJ stinks but you still have to call a competent game. That was an offense designed to chip away and get FGs against a terrible defense. Daboll lost the game last night because his playcalling was horrendous and his QB was horrendous on anything more than ten yards in the air. You just said the QB is horrendous. Put that on BD for keeping him, but the playcalling is limited because of the QB. Like other posters have said, Jones is basically Alex Smith/Zappe/even Bryce Young at this point. Not a starting NFL QB We wish he as Alex Smith

True, replace Smith with one of the rando Miami QBs out there now

Coaches make mistakes just like players, and hopefully learn from them and develop just as playera hopefully do. And I'm more confident that given the opportunity, a year six Daboll would be a better coach than year six Jones is as QB.

I doubt we'll have the same opportunity to find out though.

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are completely aligned. In fact, it's part of the sales pitch when both were hired and it was sold to us as a contrast from the Gettleman era. That means that Jones' failures are Daboll's failures. This isn't a QB that Daboll inherited. It's a QB he had a hand in bringing back with a monster contract.

They didn't seem aligned on Hard Knocks

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In comment 16627447 Metnut said: Quote: are completely aligned. In fact, it's part of the sales pitch when both were hired and it was sold to us as a contrast from the Gettleman era. That means that Jones' failures are Daboll's failures. This isn't a QB that Daboll inherited. It's a QB he had a hand in bringing back with a monster contract. They didn't seem aligned on Hard Knocks

Agreed. On another thread, somebody commented that Daboll picked Jones. I don't think that has ever been true. He wasn't in love with Jones when he got here and certainly didn't seem in love with him during Hard Knocks. He made it quite clear he wanted a new QB and just as clear he wanted that QB to be Daniels. Now, I think the asking price was too high. But, I agree with Daboll. Barring the ability to take one of those QBs, I agree with the Nabers pick and I think Daboll did also. Nobody on the Giants seemed enamored with any of the next 3 QBs they passed on.

He does not respect ST’s

The kicker issue (twice in 2 years) is inexcusable

I don’t see him as a great motivator