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JaxGiant : 9/27/2024 9:49 am
Daboll is horrific as a play caller, I'm sorry. He needs to hand the reigns back over to Kafka which obviously won't happen.

Obviously Josh Allen made him look like a genius in Buffalo but he calls game too conservatively to win here. Almost lost us the game in Cleveland because of it and probably could have won the game last night if he decided he actually wanted to win.

I'm ok with letting him walk next season and bringing in a new coach.
What do you want him to do, throw deep more?  
PatersonPlank : 9/27/2024 10:06 am : link
Did you see those ducks DJ was throwing, anything over 25 yards or so is underthrown and likely picked off. Daboll is running the offense he has to with DJ at QB. This offense definitely needs a running game to score TDs (as we saw). Spreading the field ala the college West Coast offense, only gets you so far in the NFL
The biggest only thing I m critical last night of Daboll for is not  
Blue21 : 9/27/2024 10:09 am : link
throwing into the end zone at all when we are close.
Running Singletary  
Lowell : 9/27/2024 10:25 am : link
second and goal from the eight was a weak call.
Dabol  
Archer : 9/27/2024 10:36 am : link
Let's start with not running into a stacked box.

Dabol ran the ball on first down even when Dallas had 8 in the box.

The Giants averaged a little over one yard per run.
The Giants were in 3rd and long the entire game.

It took until the second half that they occasionally threw on first down. And the Giants were successful on those occasions.

But after the first drive in the second half, Dabol reverted to first down runs.

This constantly put Jones in pressure situations. Despite the consensus, Jones effectively managed the game and moved the sticks.
The game plan did not include attacking deep.

If you are looking for blame look at the drop passes and the penalties.
Slayton, Robinson, and Nabors each dropped two passes in critical situations.

The phantom facemask penalty on Bellinger. Holding calls, and an illegal motion that negated a long play.

The defense was equally complicit.
Zak was awful against pressure in the last two games.
So why was it that the Giants rushed 4? They were so successful with blitzes and stunts against Cleveland.
The defense was "bend and not break". This was the defense we saw against Washington.

Even against the run they rarely brought 8 into the box. Where was the run support by the safties? Why didn't they use McFadden to attack the gaps more?

The answer is that the Giants played passive. They were risk-averse on both sides of the ball.

Dabol seemed like he wanted to shorten the game. This is not a winning attitude. This is a coach who was afraid.

And for those who want to blame Jones, you are too blinded by your prejudices to be objective. He played well, within the game plan. In the list of reasons why the Giants lost he is at the end.
Yes throw the ball into the end zone  
RetroJint : 9/27/2024 11:03 am : link
But the play calling was fine. Dallas did a great job of shoring up their run-game deficiencies on Defense while protecting inexperienced corners . Singletary is usually very good running inside the +10. But he had no success yesterday . The Giants Oline presented half a loaf. Good pass pro. Lousy run blocking , They have now gone 6 quarters without a TD O
RE: Yes throw the ball into the end zone  
Adirondack GMen : 9/27/2024 11:13 am : link
In comment 16627591 RetroJint said:
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But the play calling was fine. Dallas did a great job of shoring up their run-game deficiencies on Defense while protecting inexperienced corners . Singletary is usually very good running inside the +10. But he had no success yesterday . The Giants Oline presented half a loaf. Good pass pro. Lousy run blocking , They have now gone 6 quarters without a TD O

Where was Hyatt!? Except for the last play he never saw the ball come his way. Now with Nabers with concussion will they call Hyatt, Slay, even the tight ends. Use ALL the tools. Put Nabers and Hyatt on the same side with WD17. 😳 now who do you cover deep! I’m not an OC but I play one on Sundays.
Qb is limited  
HomerJones45 : 9/27/2024 11:18 am : link
One read and throw. He’s given no decisions to make because he is no good at it. His RB1 is a ham and eager who doesn’t push the pile and never has. What magical play should have been called?
How do you know the play calls weren't going into the endzone  
PatersonPlank : 9/27/2024 11:20 am : link
and DJ didn't jut do his usual check down/hold the ball. Outside of the one nicely setup play to Robinson where he could beat one LB, every other pass play had DJ looking into the endzone. Unfortunately its more congested in the endzone, so the windows and tighter, and DJ just doesn't have the arm/confidence to drive it in there.
RE: Dabol  
Reale01 : 9/27/2024 11:32 am : link
In comment 16627516 Archer said:
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Let's start with not running into a stacked box.

Dabol ran the ball on first down even when Dallas had 8 in the box.

The Giants averaged a little over one yard per run.
The Giants were in 3rd and long the entire game.

It took until the second half that they occasionally threw on first down. And the Giants were successful on those occasions.

But after the first drive in the second half, Dabol reverted to first down runs.

This constantly put Jones in pressure situations. Despite the consensus, Jones effectively managed the game and moved the sticks.
The game plan did not include attacking deep.

If you are looking for blame look at the drop passes and the penalties.
Slayton, Robinson, and Nabors each dropped two passes in critical situations.

The phantom facemask penalty on Bellinger. Holding calls, and an illegal motion that negated a long play.

The defense was equally complicit.
Zak was awful against pressure in the last two games.
So why was it that the Giants rushed 4? They were so successful with blitzes and stunts against Cleveland.
The defense was "bend and not break". This was the defense we saw against Washington.

Even against the run they rarely brought 8 into the box. Where was the run support by the safties? Why didn't they use McFadden to attack the gaps more?

The answer is that the Giants played passive. They were risk-averse on both sides of the ball.

Dabol seemed like he wanted to shorten the game. This is not a winning attitude. This is a coach who was afraid.

And for those who want to blame Jones, you are too blinded by your prejudices to be objective. He played well, within the game plan. In the list of reasons why the Giants lost he is at the end.


Excellent post! Nothing to add. Its perfect.
Daboll is blowing up the good will  
CasualFan : 9/27/2024 11:52 am : link
from year 1
RE: The biggest only thing I m critical last night of Daboll for is not  
DTgiants : 9/27/2024 12:08 pm : link
In comment 16627401 Blue21 said:
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throwing into the end zone at all when we are close.


I didn't realize daboll was the QB, I'm sure he wanted to but Jones is the QB, fault lies with him
RE: How do you know the play calls weren't going into the endzone  
BillKo : 9/27/2024 12:13 pm : link
In comment 16627641 PatersonPlank said:
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and DJ didn't jut do his usual check down/hold the ball. Outside of the one nicely setup play to Robinson where he could beat one LB, every other pass play had DJ looking into the endzone. Unfortunately its more congested in the endzone, so the windows and tighter, and DJ just doesn't have the arm/confidence to drive it in there.


Again, if they are called to go into the endzone and DJ isn't attempting it, then when does the HC say enough?

Wins and his job are on the line.

I'm beginning to think - no, this is the offense.

Or else let's go to Lock.

He coaches not to lose. At least they tried some deep balls yesterday.
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